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The very nature of how DB works is flawed profiles lead to bot like behavior we're lamb being sent out to slaughter here. Screw the warden protection we need randomness in DB profiles wont ever be safe.
 
markn12 said:
The very nature of how DB works is flawed profiles lead to bot like behavior we're lamb being sent out to slaughter here. Screw the warden protection we need randomness in DB profiles wont ever be safe.
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So very true, and the fact that Blizztard is not getting Subscription Fees from us makes them all the more motivated to ban us
 
from what? purchasing Diablo or the DB bot?

You say what then? your card was stolen and you didnt purchase it? WAT
 
Phelon said:
Just do a charge back. It is what I am going to do! You have up to 6 months to do a charge back.
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whoa, please how can I do charge back??? I just got 2 account banned in Americas I got dced and boom walllaaa!!!! banned.. like 10 minutes ago before this post...
please tell me how can I do charge back.
 
Just to let people know you're committing fraud so please do not advise people to commit a crime. I'm seriously surprised the mods here allow it.
 
Phelon said:
Diablo3.... The bot is what it is. Fuck Blizzard.



Call you credit card issuer and tell them you did not get the service you paid for. You purchased a game to use.. they terminated the contract and you are no longer receiving what you paid for. Perfect reason for a charge back. I purposely bought from Blizzard Store so I could charge back if they fucked me. Which they did.



See previous. I paid for a service.. I no longer receive service.. I get my money back. You can not sell something then deny service to it and not expect a charge back. It is like me selling you a car and then deny you use of it.
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You violated a TOS you agreed to you would lose and go to jail. The fact is after buying the game and seeing the tos you did not ask for a refund or return the game therefor you AGREED to the tos in one way or another. Stop being ignorant and justifying being a scammer.
 
Phelon said:
Their ToS won't hold up in any court. It looks nice, but holds no weight.
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Actually most parts of it would. Go read it nothing in the TOS violates US law and that is your only way out of it.

Until you can show a precedent where the Blizzard EULA/TOS were not upheld in court IN THE US don't assume anything. There is plenty of precedent to show companys have the right to apply terms of service for products and the only way around a TOS is if the tos violates your rights or the law which the blizzard one does not.
 
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Phelon said:
See previous. I paid for a service.. I no longer receive service.. I get my money back. You can not sell something then deny service to it and not expect a charge back. It is like me selling you a car and then deny you use of it.

I actually used paypal for this very instance.
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You go into an movie theater, sneak in a 12oz soda. You are seen with said soda, they have the legal right to kick you out without a refund. This is no different.


Also these forums are public record. So it is probably not best to keep advising people to commit fraud. You should ask your paralegal about that.
 
Phelon said:
Selling a service at a one time fee is a contract for said service. There is no service contract signed at time of payment, as such it is a purchased product which is owned. Denial to said purchased product could be construed as fraudulent. Again.. This will have to be run by someone who does this for a living and has access to the West Law Database.
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You're right on most parts of that. Except you're required to agree to a TOS before service is started and have 30 days after purchase to get a refund and if you do not agree with the TOS you can return the product which you never attempted to and by playing the game you agree to the TOS which means you're legally bound to the agreement unless that agreement violates state or federal laws as no contract is legally binding if it violates the law.

No matter how you spin this you're on the wrong side of the argument here. Charging back is a scammer move and I hope anyone who does it gets charged with fraud. Also JJ is right you're advising people to commit a crime which is also against the law.
 
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Phelon said:
Selling a service at a one time fee is a contract for said service. There is no service contract signed at time of payment, as such it is a purchased product which is owned. Denial to said purchased product could be construed as fraudulent. Again.. This will have to be run by someone who does this for a living and has access to the West Law Database.
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As in the WowGlider case, blizzard games and products are 'by law' licensed to and not owned by the consumer.
 
markn12 said:
You violated a TOS you agreed to you would lose and go to jail.
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I lol'd at this post. How did korea get together a class action lawsuit if the TOS is so strong? How did it even reach court?

As for the demonbuddy, I read somewhere that demonbuddy shuts down auth servers/bots when banwaves go out or if it's detectable, a trip-wire to for safety precautions. Is demonbuddy detected or are they manually looking at each account to determine if the account is botting?
 
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Any time a contract is altered after the first contract is drafted, it is actually a breach of contract. I can site that as reason enough. I agreed to the first one, the contract was since ratified after the 30 day period, had I not agreed to said contract, I would not be able to use the product I purchased. Breach of Contract can apply in this instance for reason of refund.
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Actually you're wrong. Every time the TOS is altered they require you to click i accept in game again before it lets you log on. In fact you would know this if you bought the game at launch and were still playing once the RMAH went live they updated the EULA and TOS and you had to agree to them all over again. By law a company is required to inform you of any changes to the EULA/TOS in fact look at paypal as an example last year they updated the User agreement and emailed every member with a link to the updated sections.
 
Fruitloop said:
I lol'd at this post. How did korea get together a class action lawsuit if the TOS is so strong? How did it even reach court?

As for the demonbuddy, I read somewhere that demonbuddy shuts down auth servers/bots when banwaves go out or if it's detectable, a trip-wire to for safety precautions. Is demonbuddy detected or are they manually looking at each account to determine if the account is botting?
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You cannot compare law in korea to law in the US or EU. Every country has different standards and laws the fact is blizzard cannot possibly write a EULA TOS that would hold up in every country. As far as the US blizzard has proven they can enforce the EULA/TOS in the past. Once you set a precedent for something GL changing it.
 
Obviously a paralegal girlfriend > A multimillion dollar corp. team of lawyers.


Seriously, do you really think they would have the battle.net balance they way it is, if it was not legal? It's just like Disneyworld and the Disney dollars, or tokens from ChuckECheese.
 
khak said:
Obviously a paralegal girlfriend > A multimillion dollar corp. team of lawyers.


Seriously, do you really think they would have the battle.net balance they way it is, if it was not legal? It's just like Disneyworld and the Disney dollars, or tokens from ChuckECheese.
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There's a reason she is a paralegal and not a real lawyer :) I mean offense when I say it paralegal = glorified secretary.
 
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