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Can't pay people to make stuff for us?

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LiquidAtoR said:
how about 100.000+ bots running the same routes and quests over and over again....
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Your argument is moot because most people using HB are just using the profiles in the forum for leveling and grinding (which means they are already all running around doing the same routes and quests)

Also, I would argue that a fully matured, well developed profile would contain enough information and enough hotspots and sub profiles and quest data so that it would not look like a bot. Some of these profiles that people are making only have a couple of hotspots and the bots just end up running in circles if there's nothing left to kill. Good profiles have multiple hotspots for zones which allow the bot to move around in a more organic and less bot-like pattern.
 
Just to add my 2 cents to this flogged topic. I too have private profiles that I will not release to the public for the same reason stated above.
 
panyama said:
I rest my case, if you think its that easy and can be done in a jiff, make on yourself and safe everyone the complaining(globally said).
I profile that is perfect takes test runs just like HB to make it perfect and get rid of every bug.
DEAL WITH IT!

HB profile tags change all the time and new onces join every time so everytime we invest time to make them better!
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Where in the world did I say that making profiles was easy? That is absolutely the last thing I am insinuating! If anything, I'm saying that making profiles is *hard*, and if a single individual person is going to be tasked with such a thing and is expected to release it to the community, they SHOULD be fairly compensated by the HB team (who is directly profiting off of their hard work because a good profile means the bot works perfectly, and if the bot works perfectly that affects its reputation and directly translates into more sales). What's so hard to see about that?

On that same note, my point is that if the HB team continues to refuse to hire someone to actually create a reliable set of profiles for use by their customers, then my argument is that our best bet is to crowd-source the task. Everyone contributes. Everyone benefits!

Why are we even arguing about this?
 
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tombstone said:
Where in the world did I say that making profiles was easy? That is absolutely the last thing I am insinuating! If anything, I'm saying that making profiles is *hard*, and if a single individual person is going to be tasked with such a thing and is expected to release it to the community, they SHOULD be fairly compensated by the HB team (who is directly profiting off of their hard work because a good profile means the bot works perfectly, and if the bot works perfectly that affects its reputation and directly translates into more sales). What's so hard to see about that?

On that same note, my point is that if the HB team continues to refuse to hire someone to actually create a reliable set of profiles for use by their customers, then my argument is that our best bet is to crowd-source the task. Everyone contributes. Everyone benefits!

Why are we even arguing about this?
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you tell me:), walls of text;)
 
well they already said it, it would be queer to have a group of people all running EXACTLY the same path and to the same coordinates.

that would be way too suspect and get everyone banned, either make your own, use what's available or pay for your own
 
yayfreebies said:
well they already said it, it would be queer to have a group of people all running EXACTLY the same path and to the same coordinates.

that would be way too suspect and get everyone banned, either make your own, use what's available or pay for your own
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How is this any different from the current situation where everyone is already using the exact same questing profiles, such as Mordd's breakneck?

People won't run the exact same path, even if they are using the exact same profile. There are many factors that cause things to be randomized, such as the bot's starting time and position and the monsters and distractions it encounters along the way, and the way how HB2 intelligently paths from one spot to the other. Even if you start two bots at the exact same time, side by side (but not in RAF mode), with the exact same profile, it doesn't take long for them to separate and go off on their own little tangents. If the profile has enough hot spots and the grinding areas are large enough, HB2 does a pretty good job of making it so that it doesn't just look like a bot going from point A to point B.
 
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Okay, I don't know what you're talking about.

I am currently using Mord's BreakNeck 45 and loving it. But I can tell you right now that there is a clear path that it takes from getting to point A to point B. It's very distinguishable.
 
yayfreebies said:
Okay, I don't know what you're talking about.

I am currently using Mord's BreakNeck 45 and loving it. But I can tell you right now that there is a clear path that it takes from getting to point A to point B. It's very distinguishable.
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Isn't there a way to randomize hotspots?
 
LiquidAtoR said:
how about 100.000+ bots running the same routes and quests over and over again....
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Even IF (and that's a big if) 100,000 bots all ran the same profile you'd have all of the below to factor in as well.

I know that everyone thinks that if a public profile is widely used, then it will be noticeable, but I am going to have to disagree. Like really... >12,000,000 subscribers in the US alone (As of 2008), and you think that our community alone is going to cause a specific path to be noticeable.

Especially after you think about the new nav system, there really isn't one SPECIFIC trail a bot will use while in "Quest Mode". Grindbot on the other hand, I could understand how there may be a similar path here and there in between bots, but even THAT is highly unlikely, simply due to they would have to be similar faction, botting the SAME location at the SAME time, be on the SAME realm... there are plenty of factors that make the chance of two bots in the same location highly improbable... and unreasonable to use as an excuse to not share or give back to the whole community.

You also don't factor in the consideration that if EVERYONE publicized ALL of their "private profiles" then there would be a large variety of profiles for a user to pick from, therefore "dispersing" the customer database, and not making one profile so noticeable.

I probably could continue going with more logical reasons as to why sharing profiles with each other is way better than having "private profiles", but I don't think any of you care, or even take a moment to consider what I've said.



tl;dr: You have no excuse not to share your profiles besides your own selfishness. So there.
 
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MDurner11 said:
You have no excuse not to share your profiles besides your own selfishness. So there.
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Wow. You had some very succinct and well-thought out points there and I have to agree with you. Well said.
 
we dont want a panyama & blancharke debate here
and dont turn public threads to personal
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