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Ban Theories and Ban Waves

Master_Cirroji said:
bull shit my friend. exactly where do you get your information that this will get you flagged?

assumptions are like assholes, everyone's got one, but nobody really wants to see it
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No offence but I botted at d2 when you were still wearing diapers.

Countless of my cdkeys were blocked cause of the same IP so I *assume* d3 is no different.

Also you can't use TOR for gaming or it will be really slow. Just use a ***.
 
Pikablu said:
No offence but I botted at d2 when you were still wearing diapers.

Countless of my cdkeys were blocked cause of the same IP so I *assume* d3 is no different.

Also you can't use TOR for gaming or it will be really slow. Just use a ***.
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no offense, but I was a teenager when d2 came out, and for someone with such a childish nickname you sure seem like a child.

assuming in-game functions that's 12 years old, will still be applied is retarded.
plus since bliz got sued over glider theres a whole different mechanism behind the warden.

and for all you know, your countless cdkeys were blocked because your an idiot.

funny how i botted d2 for years, only losing 1 account, and I was insulting players online after slapping them around with the BoBBaFeTT proggie
(player killers for the win )

just in the end dont get pissy, you want to look like the big man with the info, but you literally have nothing to back up your claim
bring some info, you can prove, besides assumptions on your past assumptions

pikafoo
 
Master_Cirroji said:
no offense, but I was a teenager when d2 came out, and for someone with such a childish nickname you sure seem like a child.

assuming in-game functions that's 12 years old, will still be applied is retarded.
plus since bliz got sued over glider theres a whole different mechanism behind the warden.

and for all you know, your countless cdkeys were blocked because your an idiot.

funny how i botted d2 for years, only losing 1 account, and I was insulting players online after slapping them around with the BoBBaFeTT proggie
(player killers for the win )

just in the end dont get pissy, you want to look like the big man with the info, but you literally have nothing to back up your claim
bring some info, you can prove, besides assumptions on your past assumptions

pikafoo
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you shouldnt intend to offend someone in these forums...
 
Durrer said:
I now have 2 bots on the same PC and same IP. If (when) they'll get banned, do the Blizzard put this IP on watch? After the ban will it be safe to start botting with the news accounts on the same IP/HWID?
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Master_Cirroji said:
bull shit my friend. exactly where do you get your information that this will get you flagged?

assumptions are like assholes, everyone's got one, but nobody really wants to see it
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Pikablu said:
No offence but I botted at d2 when you were still wearing diapers.

Countless of my cdkeys were blocked cause of the same IP so I *assume* d3 is no different.

Also you can't use TOR for gaming or it will be really slow. Just use a ***.
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Master_Cirroji said:
no offense, but I was a teenager when d2 came out, and for someone with such a childish nickname you sure seem like a child.

assuming in-game functions that's 12 years old, will still be applied is retarded.
plus since bliz got sued over glider theres a whole different mechanism behind the warden.

and for all you know, your countless cdkeys were blocked because your an idiot.

funny how i botted d2 for years, only losing 1 account, and I was insulting players online after slapping them around with the BoBBaFeTT proggie
(player killers for the win )

just in the end dont get pissy, you want to look like the big man with the info, but you literally have nothing to back up your claim
bring some info, you can prove, besides assumptions on your past assumptions

pikafoo
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I somewhat agree with Pika. This doesn't apply to D3, but back when I used Glider back in World of Warcraft in early 2007. I botted for a solid 5 months, about 24 hours a day across 4 accounts. My fifth account was my original and was never botted on. No gold/characters, etc were ever transferred to that account and the botted accounts were in fake names with game cards used as payment. The only 'link' to all five accounts was my IP/MAC address. I wasn't using an IP blocker at the time. One day I lost 2 accounts, and slowly but surely the other 3 accounts went as well. I would say if you're botting on a second account, hoping to keep your main account safe; it probably isn't unless you're doing it from a different IP.
 
Also, the more I think about it.. I also used a 'Loss Bot' in Starcraft 2 solely to get the portraits on two accounts. I got what I needed and stopped. About a month later, each account was hit with a 3 day suspension. So, despite I had stopped, it still caught up with me. I have never botted and successfully 'gotten' away with it. You're really rolling the dice if you're botting on your main account and expect it to be safe once you stop.
 
Gingerbread said:
Which in a nutshell is why they won't use these methods to flag/ban people in 2012. If they got caught lying about stuff like account privacy 2 things would happen.

i) they'd get hit with a LOT of lawsuits
ii) the negative publicity this generates would cause them a HUGE drop in revenues

In short there is no way in hell they would risk it. Their games are a license to print monies, squashing a few botters by spying on all of their users isn't worth the cost. As much as they might like to ban all the botters, I get the impression that as 'legit botters' (people that buy accounts to bot with to farm gold/items) make them a bunch of money they are banning enough of them to be able to say "look we actively ban these cheaters - see" and no more than that.
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I agree with what you mentioned. However they are not just banning to show their might! but they want to keep things under control while still gaining profits from botters. Try to imagine what would you do if you were instead of blizz?
would you ban tons of botters each day? well that requires a lot of time and resource from blizz side. Also it will alert the botting community about the methods which they are using to detect the bots and probably will cause the bot makers to find some new stealth methods which again requires blizz to update their side. Moreover alerted botters may stop buying new accounts if they see they are not gaining enough profits to do so and its bad for blizz (they sold 10M keys so far in diablo3 while sc2 which is very popular game only sold over 6M). Also they might using some data mining means(which are only triggered in certain times in client side by server) which they don't want to be revealed by ALERTED botting community.

Many people in this forum argue that blizz wont take a risk to data mine, still they assume blizz is checking Mac addresses and Hardware IDs. Then how they might have this information if it is
not data mining? The server can't see the client mac address from the traffic it receives. Also they might be a lot of network interfaces in one computer. So literally the only way to detect MAC address which used by client is through data mining means. Also if they go this far to collect info about MAC address and hardware IDs, why they don't detect mouse movements? is it possible for a normal user to play this game for hours without using his/her mouse?
What about IP address? assume a campus where many students are playing d3 in it. They all will have same IP from server points of view. Again assume some use bots. If blizz going to ban accounts solely based on their IPs many could get banned innocently. Many botters here when for example 10 of their accounts which used 1 IP get banned together they wont complain because they know they were botting but what if some other players were using the same ip? (In the case botters used public V P Ns).
Hence blizz can not solely ban accounts because other botters used the same ip. I believe they should rely on more accurate info other than MACs and IPs. for example a GM told a wow botter that he used same path over and over again for gathering herbs for few hours which is not likely what a human can do.

In conclusion, based on what I discussed above, I assume blizz only banning few botters each time to keep things under control and also prevent a huge crash in game economy while still keep profit from botters buying more keys and to not alert them much and Its base on your luck to be in the black list or not.
 
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un4given said:
I agree with what you mentioned. However they are not just banning to show their might! but they want to keep things under control while still gaining profits from botters. Try to imagine what would you do if you were instead of blizz?
would you ban tons of botters each day? well that requires a lot of time and resource from blizz side. Also it will alert the botting community about the methods which they are using to detect the bots and probably will cause the bot makers to find some new stealth methods which again requires blizz to update their side. Moreover alerted botters may stop buying new accounts if they see they are not gaining enough profits to do so and its bad for blizz (they sold 10M keys so far in diablo3 while sc2 which is very popular game only sold over 6M). Also they might using some data mining means(which are only triggered in certain times in client side by server) which they don't want to be revealed by ALERTED botting community.

Many people in this forum argue that blizz wont take a risk to data mine, still they assume blizz is checking Mac addresses and Hardware IDs. Then how they might have this information if it is
not data mining? The server can't see the client mac address from the traffic it receives. Also they might be a lot of network interfaces in one computer. So literally the only way to detect MAC address which used by client is through data mining means. Also if they go this far to collect info about MAC address and hardware IDs, why they don't detect mouse movements? is it possible for a normal user to play this game for hours without using his/her mouse?
What about IP address? assume a campus where many students are playing d3 in it. They all will have same IP from server points of view. Again assume some use bots. If blizz going to ban accounts solely based on their IPs many could get banned innocently. Many botters here when for example 10 of their accounts which used 1 IP get banned together they wont complain because they know they were botting but what if some other players were using the same ip? (In the case botters used public V P Ns).
Hence blizz can not solely ban accounts because other botters used the same ip. I believe they should rely on more accurate info other than MACs and IPs. for example a GM told a wow botter that he used same path over and over again for gathering herbs for few hours which is not likely what a human can do.

In conclusion, based on what I discussed above, I assume blizz only banning few botters each time to keep things under control and also prevent a huge crash in game economy while still keep profit from botters buying more keys and to not alert them much and Its base on your luck to be in the black list or not.
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And lets not forget the huge income from the rmah fees, it might be more than the sold games which botters purchase over and over...

If banning stays the same as it now, its a bright future for us, but blizz has to keep the playercount high and implement content and extras to keep the game fresh!
 
i got something to share about how theyr system of character save works.
like 3 months ago my account has been compromised.So i obviously made a call to blizz so they restore my items and stuff.So what iv heard is that theyll restore them but unfortunately they got my 'character screen' from 4 days ago so ill lose some gold and few items.So basicly what iam trying to bring here is that theyr system checks/saves what your character were doing every few days not every hour.Maybe thats the same for theyr bot searching system.
 
buddybud said:
i got something to share about how theyr system of character save works.
like 3 months ago my account has been compromised.So i obviously made a call to blizz so they restore my items and stuff.So what iv heard is that theyll restore them but unfortunately they got my 'character screen' from 4 days ago so ill lose some gold and few items.So basicly what iam trying to bring here is that theyr system checks/saves what your character were doing every few days not every hour.Maybe thats the same for theyr bot searching system.
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hm, this sounds really interesting!
 
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There was an interview with Markee Dragon with Blizzard's antihacking team and they specifically mentioned that every single mouse click, every single keystroke, conversation, etc. is recorded and investigated.
 
kettlecorn said:
There was an interview with Markee Dragon with Blizzard's antihacking team and they specifically mentioned that every single mouse click, every single keystroke, conversation, etc. is recorded and investigated.
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Are they doing this from the very beginning of d3?
 
mullerhun said:
Are they doing this from the very beginning of d3?
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i call MAD bullshit. the amount of garbage they would of collectd would be redonkulous

i mean, they didn't even have a warden system implemented when the game came out
 
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