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A handful of rend barb questions

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Evicted

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I was reading through some barb threads and came up with a few questions that weren't addressed:
Keep in mind this is for a rend build.

1. Rend:
-Is the life steal nerfed by the 80% in inferno? (just did the math myself and yes.)
-Does it stack? (i'm assuming no)
-What is the base range (not 17yd rune)?
-Does it crit? (again, assuming yes, but you can never be too sure if it ticks or is constant dmg like desecrator)

2. Shields vs. 2h Swords
Since shields don't block molten/arcane/plagued/desecrator, would the extra damage output of a 2h (skorn) for huge dps bonus be better?
It has all the crit dmg you need, so you could focus much more on survivability/str on the rest of the gear.
LoH becomes moot with a two-hander because it's so slow, and if you do enough dps life steal would be worth-while.
Rend is based on weapon damage, not dps, so it would skyrocket.

I just did some math, and at 50k dps (one aps with skorn and no ias), you hit ~1350lps PER monster, which is of course 2700 with berserker on. So on any given champ pack without invuln minions, you can easily hit ~10k lps with NO LIFE STEAL, or double that if you have 9% life steal. Moreover, you can always rend -> run like the ww build, because you'll do 700k damage per monster in that time, so champs should be easy kills.

I thought I had more questions, but I started typing this a few hours ago and forgot about it. Throw in your two cents, please. I was considering using this to bot champ packs in act 3 with giles combat replacer, but I have 100m to spend on the char.
 
Also, I was wondering what build you think is best. I was thinking:

war cry + impunity
battle rage + 30% rune
wotb + insanity
Defensive spell -- either stomp, call of the ancients for meat shields, ignore pain + 20% life leech -- for those sticky situations (if possible set to use below 40% health or so)

bash + 24% extra dps (though this might not even be necessary because most mobs die before second rend)
rend + life leech

passives:
weapons master
ruthless
+ armor (whichever gives more)


with a high res/armor/vit build this seems it would be survivable enough in act 3 with the 10k+ lps
 
1.)
-Yes Life Steal is affected by Inf. I have 20% life steal, but in inf its 4%, which is still more than plenty with my 1her, the 2her is even more ridic
-If you mean does your life steal stack ontop of the skill yes, rends do not stack on eachother though
-12 yards base range
-Yes it does. The cool thing is if the first tick of rend crits they all do. I usually try and refresh it till i get a crit. 60k ticks are far better than 16k

2.)
2her for acts 1 and 2, A3 is still shield territory. Grab helm of command and a 25% + block shield and grab an axe for th 10% crit and your golden. In acts 1 and 2 with a 2her, you'll prob hit about 2-5 deaths an hour(respectable), but until combat routines update to use rend to its full potential a 2her in A3 is impossible for the bot to be efficient. I have good-great gear and i still use a shield and an 1182dps 1her in A3 and i get about 1-2 deaths an hour. with a 2her that ups to about 8-16 deaths an hour. It may not seem like a lot but those deaths add up over a multi hour session. Once routines can spam rend every couple seconds a 2her may be viable past A2.
 
Decard_Cain said:
1.)
-Yes Life Steal is affected by Inf. I have 20% life steal, but in inf its 4%, which is still more than plenty with my 1her, the 2her is even more ridic
-If you mean does your life steal stack ontop of the skill yes, rends do not stack on eachother though
-12 yards base range
-Yes it does. The cool thing is if the first tick of rend crits they all do. I usually try and refresh it till i get a crit. 60k ticks are far better than 16k

2.)
2her for acts 1 and 2, A3 is still shield territory. Grab helm of command and a 25% + block shield and grab an axe for th 10% crit and your golden. In acts 1 and 2 with a 2her, you'll prob hit about 2-5 deaths an hour(respectable), but until combat routines update to use rend to its full potential a 2her in A3 is impossible for the bot to be efficient. I have good-great gear and i still use a shield and an 1182dps 1her in A3 and i get about 1-2 deaths an hour. with a 2her that ups to about 8-16 deaths an hour. It may not seem like a lot but those deaths add up over a multi hour session. Once routines can spam rend every couple seconds a 2her may be viable past A2.
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I think GilesCombatReplacer spams rend if you use it.

Do you think I should be able to hit the act3 bot farming capability with 100m?

Also, rend refreshing... If you crit one monster, it gets 5s of crits, but not every monster gets critically hit. Does it refresh the monster getting critted to normal damage if you cast again?

Also the 1h approach seems like a bad idea because you lose a BUNCH of dps, which translates to using LoH instead of lifesteal. I think if you get your lifesteal up to 9% (the maximum, if I'm not mistaken), with 9% from rend, and a rend on three monsters, the 10k+ lps should be more than enough to tank with 1k res 8k armor + avoidance on. The problem is that you can get surrounded by mobs and avoidance won't get you out, just make you TRY to run and not cast rend so you die. I could be wrong about those numbers though.
 
with 100m if u equip the barb right, he ll never die in a3

edit: may die to like horde waller that gets u stuck standing on a desecrator/double arcane sentries. thats about it
 
sojufiend2 said:
with 100m if u equip the barb right, he ll never die in a3

edit: may die to like horde waller that gets u stuck standing on a desecrator/double arcane sentries. thats about it
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Lol I just saw you in another thread and pm'd you, THEN refreshed this page.

Can I see your build so I can try to stat similarly? Or did you spend less?
 
Evicted said:
I think GilesCombatReplacer spams rend if you use it.

Do you think I should be able to hit the act3 bot farming capability with 100m?

Also, rend refreshing... If you crit one monster, it gets 5s of crits, but not every monster gets critically hit. Does it refresh the monster getting critted to normal damage if you cast again?

Also the 1h approach seems like a bad idea because you lose a BUNCH of dps, which translates to using LoH instead of lifesteal. I think if you get your lifesteal up to 9% (the maximum, if I'm not mistaken), with 9% from rend, and a rend on three monsters, the 10k+ lps should be more than enough to tank with 1k res 8k armor + avoidance on. The problem is that you can get surrounded by mobs and avoidance won't get you out, just make you TRY to run and not cast rend so you die. I could be wrong about those numbers though.
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You can EASILY hit A3 for 100mil.

In regards to rend Ill have to pay attention next time i'm playin but i could swear it crits on all monsters , if i'm wrong (which i prob am) it doesn't change the strat much but as for refresh yes, the newest rend overwrites the existing tick.

Giles combat does spam rend every 4 seconds however I'm sticking with belph for the time being as every other aspect of his routine is currently working better for me.

I may be misunderstanding your post so feel free to correct me, but its not possible to hit 9% leech in inferno. That's 45% life leech from gear and skills! You only get 20% of your total leech in inferno and that INCLUDES your abilities. I currently have 6% base, 3% from blood thirst, and the 9% from rend. so at 20% of 18% life leech Im running 3.6% leech on inferno.

Like I said my results with the bot have been far better on the sword and board in a3 than the 2her as far as deaths are concerned, they slow you down immensely even with checkpoint support. If I find a nice 2her with an immensely high top end ill do some more testing and get back to you, your gettin me amped up to try it again thats for sure :)
 
Decard_Cain said:
You can EASILY hit A3 for 100mil.

In regards to rend Ill have to pay attention next time i'm playin but i could swear it crits on all monsters , if i'm wrong (which i prob am) it doesn't change the strat much but as for refresh yes, the newest rend overwrites the existing tick.

Giles combat does spam rend every 4 seconds however I'm sticking with belph for the time being as every other aspect of his routine is currently working better for me.

I may be misunderstanding your post so feel free to correct me, but its not possible to hit 9% leech in inferno. That's 45% life leech from gear and skills! You only get 20% of your total leech in inferno and that INCLUDES your abilities. I currently have 6% base, 3% from blood thirst, and the 9% from rend. so at 20% of 18% life leech Im running 3.6% leech on inferno.

Like I said my results with the bot have been far better on the sword and board in a3 than the 2her as far as deaths are concerned, they slow you down immensely even with checkpoint support. If I find a nice 2her with an immensely high top end ill do some more testing and get back to you, your gettin me amped up to try it again thats for sure :)
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Okay, so rend crit spamming is moot unless you're fast enough to count the monsters that get critted and when you get a higher number like 75% stop spamming. Good to know.

In regards to giles, I think I use the plugin (haven't looked in a couple days), but it still asks me to load belph on startup. maybe i'm missing something. does the plugin override belph even if you're prompted to choose a combat routine and choose belph?

Life leech: I meant 9% from gear pre-nerf, which is 6% 2h (or 2x 3% 1h) + 3% mighty belt, and I don't think I'll be using blood thirst unless it works out better than +25% armor (or armor on vit if it's higher) passive. With bloodthirst, max pre-nerf ll is 21, which is a gg 4.2% ll. To put that in perspective, a 50k dps (2-handed 1 aps) with WotB and Battle Rage on hit 161k dps PER monster (average, assuming it's say... 40% crit on 5 monsters and 2 got critted). 161k dps * .042 = 6.75klps * 4 monsters = 27k lps, which is fucking impossible to kill when you've got 1k res 8k armor + a defensive skill on 4 for low health situations. Even taking care of non-elite monsters should be a cakewalk. If you are taking too much damage, rend and run! The only problem I see is fury management if you have to kite.

e\ and as for the last part, i think the difference with the sword and board method is that you're using the wrong stats. After a skorn with 5%+ ll and 250% crit dmg (this is a problem. so fucking expensive. maybe i can snatch one for 50m) and belt with 2.5+, all you need is crit on rings/ammy/gloves/helm (not even all of them, really), all you need is str/res/vit. No block(obv), no crit dmg, and no attack speed/loh
 
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There is a Gile Blank Combat routine that you have to download and load when it asks for a routine.
 
Oh yeah, another big question! Do monks and barbs really have an inherent 30% damage reduction?
 
Evicted said:
OH! that would have been nice FOR ME TO READ to know. I should go get that...
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Fixed that for ya...

Uhh Giles specifically states it on the plugin page. It's also the download RIGHT ABOVE the plugin download...

;)
 
m33pm33p said:
Fixed that for ya...

Uhh Giles specifically states it on the plugin page. It's also the download RIGHT ABOVE the plugin download...

;)
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Actually, it turns out I didn't even have the plugin. Thought I did, but had been away from botting for a week or two.
 
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