Developer Rules Update

[hbaioni]

Guys... I don't know if you're realizing what you're doing... We'll lose all the good developers... Mastahg is upset, Venus is upset, Fpsware is upset... and we have this guy Kasia already re-posting their work... At the end, we'll have a lot of crappy CCs and profiles because original authors will leave... We'll end up with a bunch of noobs maintaining all these files, and in time, they will turn them into #$%$...
Why don't you "bend" the rule a little bit, and make it so only ABANDONED projects can be taken by other people? I mean, I see not point in re-posting something that is already being maintained by the original author... Mastahg was maintaining his work, his classes are the best i've used for PVP... I rocked in arenas with EzFrost... and now he's gone. Was it worth it? I don't think so.

 

[Zoinx]

The same problem in the last 3-4 pages with reference to kasia is the same problem in the real world.

Real World: 1 US Soldier goes kills 16 innocent Afghanistan civilians. Result? All US Soldiers are baby killers and need to be pulled from Afghanistan.


Honor Buddy Community: 1 Random Troll reposts all the work the was taken down. Result? All developers think this is already out of control and "we told you this would happen".

Fact is, kasia is partially right here. He would have no reason to repost it if they original developers didn't remove them, without even taking the time to see how this pans out and if there would be copies of their working creeping up on the forums. Everyone keeps jumping to conclusions.

You may not like that he is reposting it, but what about all the users who submitted countless bug reports to you helping perfect that CC or Plugin? Do they not matter? How about, now I don't have an exact number but it's probably far greater than the people who actually post on the forums, the many users who are NOT active on the forums and just log on to download CC's or Plugins? Now they are deprived of your creation. As much as you all hate kasia, he is doing a semi-service to the community by reposting it. Now, if he doesn't even attempt to maintain them or fix bugs then yes, he is a douchebag and not using the rules with the intent they were made for.


Can any of the people posting here who are against this link me ONE single thing that has been uploaded that completely copies a CURRENT (not removed as they are not supported now) CC or Plugin on the forums?

 

[Venus112]

I never said I would stop working on the CCs, just that I will find another source for my CCs, where the HB devs can't govern rules. So when he posts them, I'll let you know

 

[Dagradt]

Is it me or has Kasia's grammar steadily become worse and worse... Just follow the rules, don't bash authors and start making sense, just posting random things isn't getting your point across...

 

[hbaioni]

I never said I would stop working on the CCs, just that I will find another source for my CCs, where the HB devs can't govern rules. So when he posts them, I'll let you know

Even if you host them somewhere else, what would prevent that a random troll like Kasia take them and repost them here?

By the way, you have my full support. I use your "Protect and Serve CC" for my pala, and i just wanted to tell you that i respect your work so much.

 

[Zoinx]

I never said I would stop working on the CCs, just that I will find another source for my CCs, where the HB devs can't govern rules. So when he posts them, I'll let you know

Let me re-quote my post that what RIGHT above yours.

The same problem in the last 3-4 pages with reference to kasia is the same problem in the real world.

Real World: 1 US Soldier goes kills 16 innocent Afghanistan civilians. Result? All US Soldiers are baby killers and need to be pulled from Afghanistan.


Honor Buddy Community: 1 Random Troll reposts all the work the was taken down. Result? All developers think this is already out of control and "we told you this would happen".

Fact is, kasia is partially right here. He would have no reason to repost it if they original developers didn't remove them, without even taking the time to see how this pans out and if there would be copies of their working creeping up on the forums. Everyone keeps jumping to conclusions.

You may not like that he is reposting it, but what about all the users who submitted countless bug reports to you helping perfect that CC or Plugin? Do they not matter? How about, now I don't have an exact number but it's probably far greater than the people who actually post on the forums, the many users who are NOT active on the forums and just log on to download CC's or Plugins? Now they are deprived of your creation. As much as you all hate kasia, he is doing a semi-service to the community by reposting it. Now, if he doesn't even attempt to maintain them or fix bugs then yes, he is a douchebag and not using the rules with the intent they were made for.


Can any of the people posting here who are against this link me ONE single thing that has been uploaded that completely copies a CURRENT (not removed as they are not supported now) CC or Plugin on the forums?

Judging from what you just wrote, this pertains directly to you, as well as others.

It has been 24 hours since the rules. Please link me ONE CC that has been posted since then that copies your entire CC, or matter of fact one LINE of code.

"We develop these CC's and spend countless hours righting code", now add up all the countless hours used your CC as trial and error, reporting back bugs so you can fix it. The users bug reporting are equal if not greater man hours spent running around WoW finding bugs. Oh, but they don't do the coding so they obviously don't matter. That's your stance pretty much. If that's the case, you and your team are solely doing this for yourselves and are not here for the community. Why do you want to be apart of it then? If you don't care about the thousands of people that used your CC (as demonstrated by you and your team removing it from the forums, oh and by the way posting outside links to other sources is against the forum rules, I messaged a Moderator about this for clarification) then why bother to continue posting here?

EDIT I want to drive home one point here. You say you will host it else where. That's great! You will still have it available for others to download!! How will you distribute it?

we will not allow links to offsite downloads. ​

Also, what stops people from just going there and reposting all your updates here? They can't be .dll files that you release as you will not even people able to mention it and say PM me for a link! as you would probably be banned since the source can not be verified what so ever and the HB staff would not stand for someone taking advantage of their clients for malicious purposes (not saying you would, but there is no way to prove it).

 

[Hawker]

I never said I would stop working on the CCs, just that I will find another source for my CCs, where the HB devs can't govern rules. So when he posts them, I'll let you know

You have pulled your downloads so your projects are abandoned. They were already released under a BSD license on Googlecode. The rule change hasn't affected you at all. To be honest, I am more than a little disappointed in you - you make all this fuss over an open source license that your group was already using.

 

[wownerds]

You have pulled your downloads so your projects are abandoned. They were already released under a BSD license on Googlecode. To be honest, I am more than a little disappointed in you - you make all this fuss over an open source license that your group was already using.

However, there are still dev teams which, until the change, have only used these forums to provide their work.

 

[Venus112]

Even if you host them somewhere else, what would prevent that a random troll like Kasia take them and repost them here?

By the way, you have my full support. I use your "Protect and Serve CC" for my pala, and i just wanted to tell you that i respect your work so much.

Now that is the beauty of it.
I'll use a closed svn server, meaning my codes = ask permission if you want it.
That way there will be no BSD

 

[Zoinx]

However, there are still dev teams which, until the change, have only used these forums to provide their work.

They used forums to LINK to their googlecode page.

The googlecode page is public, meaning you don't need these forums for the link to it. Meaning everything posted on the googlecode page was under BSD license.

 

[Venus112]

They used forums to LINK to their googlecode page.

The googlecode page is public, meaning you don't need these forums for the link to it. Meaning everything posted on the googlecode page was under BSD license.

Not Dunatank

 

[Zoinx]

Not Dunatank

Sorry, no idea what that is, don't see it on the CC or Plugins page. I'm only tracking information on developers that actively support the community with their CC/Plugins.

 

[wownerds]

Sorry, no idea what that is, don't see it on the CC or Plugins page. I'm only tracking information on developers that actively support the community with their CC/Plugins.

You don't seem to be very active around here. Got archived yesterday after I removed the files.

 

[Venus112]

Oh ok.
Guess you and your team did not support the community wownerds

 

[Zoinx]

Sorry, no idea what that is, don't see it on the CC or Plugins page. I'm only tracking information on developers that actively support the community with their CC/Plugins.

Missed a word there did you both? Actively would mean I could go to the forums and find it for download and use right now. Oh, you must be one of those developers who got mad and pulled their code but can't provide one single thing that has been posted that rips code from active projects on the forum?

 

[wownerds]

Oh ok.
Guess you and your team did not support the community wownerds

Apparently not.

 

[Venus112]

Missed a word there did you both? Actively would mean I could go to the forums and find it for download and use right now. Oh, you must be one of those developers who got mad and pulled their code but can't provide one single thing that has been posted that rips code from active projects on the forum?

I believe that's what you'd call a preemptive strike

 

[kasia]

exacly can you see 1 - ONE, repost of CC or some code that is active on forum ? you are to pride to admit it. Get a life

 

[Zoinx]

I believe that's what you'd call a preemptive strike

Again you are NOT reading what I wrote. All your "teams" CC's are pulled. Great. Now all the ones that are still here supporting the community are about to have a full on war? I mean, you had a "preemptive retreat" (fixed it for you) because you were scared of people blatantly stealing all your code. So, by your count there must be a horde of code-thieves out there reposting everything. Can you show me one?

Oh... they must be waiting in hiding to strike at the right time. Aimirite?

 

[MoMedic]

As an end-user, I have paid close attention to these recent changes, and the reaction of some of the devs, because as an end-user, IMO it affects me as much as anyone.

I'm not going to add who's opinions I agree with, or who's side I'm on....primarily because I'm not a developer...so I'll leave the discussion regarding development and all that entails to the qualified people.

What I will add however, is that IMHO, the real losers here are end-users like me.

With talented devs pulling their projects due to their unhappiness with the new changes, and the HB powers that be firm in their stance, the community as a whole is the real loser.

And that's just sad.

Again...just my 2cents.