Developer Rules Update

[Hawker]

Hawker, tell me something

As you can read, we have one individual who somehow feels he's allowed to post all our work
As i can see, that is not something covered under this rule and i would like to hear what will be done if this is to happen?

I can't see how i would be pleasantly surprised, and that is why i am currently either looking into hosting all my projects a remote place - away from the HB forums or even closing down all and future CC releases, as the hostility towards us (the developers not liking this) from some of the HB community has been quite demoralising

Let them release it. It does you no harm and if they fail to support it they look like fools.

 

[kasia]

I hope you can support them...

greetz

Weischbier

its bettter unsupported than none

 

[Hawker]

its bettter unsupported than none

Releasing work and not supporting it is a bit pointless. If you can't support and develop a project, I end up having to archive it.

 

[tonari]

Let me just express myself here on this manner, i do agree with the staff but not fully.
If i was the coder of my own CCs and spent countless hours coding, researching and testing it and finally after a month i do release it for the public use and some random user comes, copies all my code changes the color of the words executed in HB and aoe range and repost it as his work i would be pissed and ofc moved away, but if that guys takes the code and redo some of the thing resulting the cc to become better and gives credit for the initial coder that would be fair as long as the coders get recognition for their work.
Next thing that comes on my mind is, if the ccs are not regularly updated they are useless and i just don't see it happening if all of the coders of the initial release stops their work it will be left to the community to keep it updated and it will get to the point where the project will be stopped.

Ideally there would be only one team of devs doing the bot base not like now having 3 of them and ppl wondering why my dps i shit on one but great on another, why my new machine can't run this cc as i lag like hell, ...
And the other team doing the CCs for that botbase, protecting their work so noone outside of the group can use the code and each of the devs is given credit for the work and hours they put into it. People posting ideas, bugs and request and the devs looking into it and adding it if they think it needs to be added. This way you would have a great bunch of pve,pvp and leveling CCs with a working botbase that would be constantly updated and reworked for the max efficiency.
That is my idea but as we are humans with different personalities , this to work would be hard as from what i have seen in previous post it just wont be possible for some ppl to work with another like a team.

Lets just hope this changes like said in previous posts will be good and won't affect negatively on the end users.

 

[Venus112]

Let them release it. It does you no harm and if they fail to support it they look like fools.

Aha, no harm in him posting something that has already been said was not to be posted by anyone than the LazyRaider team.
Well that's great that the code the LazyRaider team has worked hard for + we do not even release on the forums, but SVN, will be disrespected.
Yet you see if fitting that our code (the original code, no modifications) can be released by anyone with no repercussions.

That pretty much settles it.
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All development on current and upcoming CCs has been stopped for the public.
We've never asked for anything by the community. No rep, no money.
Only thing we've asked for was for people to respect our codes (that is not on your forums), and not use them without the acceptance of our team. We've never been against the idea of people taking part of our codes, as long as they asked politely.

All our CCs has now been divided up between the group and it's now up to the respective developer to decide if they wish to be part of this.

It's been a pleasure serving you all, however i think that with working that many hours on the CCs beside my fulltime study - it's very rude that we have no saying in what happens to our CCs/Plugins/Profiles anymore

The only thing i've wanted from this was; The respect of the community to not distribute or redistribute our CCs.
This isn't meant as some kind of emo rage-quit, i simply don't like having rules forced on me + being treated with such little respect by parts of the community, when we've worked hard for the entire community

 

[Hawker]

Sad you feel that way but good luck in your future.

 

[kasia]

The only thing i've wanted from this was; The respect of the community to not distribute or redistribute our CCs.
This isn't meant as some kind of emo rage-quit, i simply don't like having rules forced on me + being treated with such little respect by parts of the community, when we've worked hard for the entire community

I respected you when you release it, but when you stop supporting it and in puprose delete all download links my support is over. i hope someone else will take your project and support it.

 

[Inrego]

Aha, no harm in him posting something that has already been said was not to be posted by anyone than the LazyRaider team.
Well that's great that the code the LazyRaider team has worked hard for + we do not even release on the forums, but SVN, will be disrespected.
Yet you see if fitting that our code (the original code, no modifications) can be released by anyone with no repercussions.

That pretty much settles it.
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All development on current and upcoming CCs has been stopped for the public.
We've never asked for anything by the community. No rep, no money.
Only thing we've asked for was for people to respect our codes (that is not on your forums), and not use them without the acceptance of our team. We've never been against the idea of people taking part of our codes, as long as they asked politely.

All our CCs has now been divided up between the group and it's now up to the respective developer to decide if they wish to be part of this.

It's been a pleasure serving you all, however i think that with working that many hours on the CCs beside my fulltime study - it's very rude that we have no saying in what happens to our CCs/Plugins/Profiles anymore

The only thing i've wanted from this was; The respect of the community to not distribute or redistribute our CCs.
This isn't meant as some kind of emo rage-quit, i simply don't like having rules forced on me + being treated with such little respect by parts of the community, when we've worked hard for the entire community

May I ask, where was your project hosted? If it was hosted on google code, it's also open source - and it's defaulted to the BSD license which means they can post it here aswell if they want. That has nothing to do with the HB rules, that's just how the BSD license works and if you hosted it on google under that license then I guess it's your own loss.

I don't post this to be a prick, but if people are going to be such drama queens about their code, they should've taken the precautions necessary to begin with.

 

[Beast]

The only thing i've wanted from this was; The respect of the community to not distribute or redistribute our CCs.
This isn't meant as some kind of emo rage-quit, i simply don't like having rules forced on me + being treated with such little respect by parts of the community, when we've worked hard for the entire community

Pretty sure the community respected everyone on the all in one CC's give then THOUSANDS of downloads
Respect is lost when one throws thier hands up in the air because something didn't go thier way.

 

[Toney001]

Holy shit there's like 7 new pages since I went to bed!

@ FPSWare/Venus: There hasn't been said anything new or constructive in those 7 pages. Wulf wanting to close this is not him being close minded, it's just pointless to keep dragging this discussion when everybody is just saying the same thing over and over. I'm all for discussing if anyone has anything to discuss that hasn't been discussed already though.

@ Community: As much as I respect the developers that have halted distribution of their CCs, let's be honest here. FPS has been out of the community for months, no real loss. Venus is not the only LazyRaider CC developer. Swiny? Meh, people can make their own profiles anyway. I've always done that and I have more gold than I can realistically ever spend. Won't stop anyone from botting.

The only real loss I see here is the PvP CCs, which I have no doubt somebody will pick up. And if not, maybe HighVoltz (who, for those that don't know him, is one of the most skilled coders in the community, far and away from any of the "departing" ones, except maybe FPS) could implement PvP rotations in singular (let's be honest, Masta's code isn't particularly complex, anyone can make something like that).

This isn't the end of the world. HB will not become unusable. As I said before, if a hole in the community appears, the staff will take care of it like they've done in the past.

@ Kasia: Please don't upload the CCs of the authors that took them down. It's only fair for them to refuse if they don't accept the new rule. Starting from now, anything posted on the forums should be fair game.

Now, about the branching... Maybe we could approach it in a similar way as Tuk/Elv have done with their UIs? You have the Tuk/ElvUI forums, and subforums for edits of those.
Maybe we could have the EzFrost forum (main forums could be mod approved after they prove to be of quality and are actively supported) and then subforums for edits. That way you properly acknowledge the original developer, and fork away.

Just a thought.

 

[kasia]

And you think its fair to took away those CC for people who want to use it ? they took it away beucase they dont like administrators decisions. Its fair to post them here if they dont want to have their name on their work. So i will be credited they work easy and clear.

 

[Dagradt]

@Kasia,

If your going to re-post, have the respect & give the respect deserved to these people who worked hard to release those CC's. I've seen your "Continued" CC posts, you have no right to bash the original author by calling him such things as "Rage Quitter" or any other name besides the original name stated on the original thread. If you want to test your hand at maintaining our CC's, under the "New" rules, then go ahead, BUT GIVE SOME DAMN RESPECT.

(If the Author requested his name be left out then respect that request, you still have no right to bash in any sense. Not Hawker, CodeNameG, or any other Admin will stand by you on this. HB is still a community with baseline standards, and I would hope that they see this and request it be changed.)

 

[kasia]

still rage quiter cant request his name on this topic beucase hes banned so ?

 

[Croga]

still rage quiter cant request his name on this topic beucase hes banned so ?

Honestly Kasia; if he's banned then I'll request it for him. What you're doing is utterly respectless and uncalled for. You're proving the nay-sayers right by doing exactly what they're afraid of.

 

[wownerds]

The admins do the right choice, this "developers" rage quit prove that they are right. if you dont like sharing dont post your work. The worst thing in the world is wen they release and then shoot down beucase of "type reason here" they somebody else can continue they work.

Usually, I'm not this direct, but you have never contributed anything useful you have created yourself, but rather taken advantage of the dev's code and creativity. Now you consider breaking the forum rules, openly.

It really is people like you who get devs pissed and making them stop their projects.

I'm really sorry for all other HB users & devs. My apologies to the admins and mods, but I just have to break it down to this:

F*ck you!

 

[Dagradt]

CC/Plugin Releases

1. Default CC/Plugins are free to use - You can modify, copy code from, etc, all you want. If only simple changes have been made, it must be noted.
2. All CC/Plugins are released under an open source BSD license. If you re-use someone's code, its fine but you must give them full credit for their code.
3. Bugfixes of CC/Plugins developed by 3rd parties (CC/Plugin developers), and the like should stay in the thread where it was released.
4. If using code from another CC, you must give credit for the code. No questions asked. [Simple snippets, such as object searches, simple Lua calls, etc, may be excluded]
5. If you release your 'product' as 'free to use and abuse', you may not change your mind later when it suits you to. If you wish to change the 'license' on it, please create a new release thread.
6. You may NOT disallow users from using your CC/Plugin. Under no circumstances are you allowed to 'ban' users from your work. If you don't want them using it, don't release it.
7. It is up to the author to provide support for their product. The 'Buddy Staff' are in no way responsible for support 3rd party CCs/Plugins.
8. The author has a right to remove his/her work from the forum, for any reason, at any time.
9. CCs/Plugins are NOT to be 'locked into' a specific version of HB. (Exceptions being required API changes, and the like.)
10. Collecting personal information is strictly prohibited, without prior warning that such information is being collected. (The user must be aware that the information is being taken)

Rule number 2 is clearly stated. Again, if he "told you" to not use his name then don't, otherwise follow the rules and post his name as credit is due. YOU HAVE NO RIGHT TO BASH ANYONE.

Edit: Also if you're going to re-post make sure you actually intend to update and maintain the CC's. We don't need the clutter of outdated CC's laying around.

 

[handnavi]

Please close this topic? :banghead:

 

[Hawker]

still rage quiter cant request his name on this topic beucase hes banned so ?

You are not giving correct credits in the release threads you have done. Please do so or I will have to archive the threads. The correct format is "Originally developed by XXX and re-released by me after the project as abandoned."

Thanks.

 

[Venus112]

I have already contacted hawker about these missing credits and I have been assured that it is being taken care of
On another hand Kasia, thank you for proving me right

 

[Toney001]

And you think its fair to took away those CC for people who want to use it ? they took it away beucase they dont like administrators decisions. Its fair to post them here if they dont want to have their name on their work. So i will be credited they work easy and clear.

I think it's ok for them to have the choice to either accept or decline the new rules, and based on that choice either leave or take down their work. It's their work, not ours, and it was made and distributed under the old rules.
If Blizzard changes the EULA, they make you read it. If you don't accept it, they don't let you log on WoW.