Legionbuddy - Am i the only one who feels abit ripped off ?

[BotOperator]

Are we going to have trial period for Legionbuddy?

Things like this are under discussion, same as prices and so on. Atm. - and this is my personal opinion only - I do not think that there will be a free trial.
Price will be so fair and attractive that a free trial would not make sense but like I said, nothing is written in stone so far.

Btw. please keep this thread civil. There are a lot of posts violating the forum rules and thats not the right way to talk to each other and discuss a topic like this!

 

[Azoth]

Thank you for the information raphus. We all know that HB is at the forefront of Blizzard's war on bots. It is an unfortunate reality that when you're dealing with disaster prevention, the expectation is perfection, and one or two detections will for many people overshadow years of avoidance.

After reading your post, my primary question would be if there is any work being done on non-injection, x64 versions of the other HB features? If raidbot/combatbot/Enyo does only constitute such a small portion of HB usage, it seems like a great deal of effort to develop LegionBuddy, to increase safety for just the small group of users who only wish to use the combat assist, compared to rewriting HB as a passive bot. Granted I'm guessing that after the base of HB is done, additional work would be needed for individual components like Questing, Gatherbuddy, etc., however LegionBuddy seems like it would be the place to start laying the foundation to add more features over time. I'm sure there would be interest in an updated, safer, subscription-based buddybot for WoW.
To be honest, based on the numbers provided it's difficult to see how LegionBuddy, in its current form, was worth the development resources, as we know that Bossland is very short-handed right now.

 

[Njodax2]

Fair price is subjectiv and yes i've spend less than 10 sec to write this reply ^^

yep.

 

[valnostra]

@raphus

Why would you make new bot for:2.53% of your customers when majority use it for grinding?

Maybe you are right and since may tripwire really worked but I will always remember how every time it got triped ban followed. every 30 days like clockwork.

You are suggesting we start using LB on main accounts on our beloved characters? No bot is safe and that's the #1 rule.

 

[wallyworld]

Regarding the combat routine purchases from Honorbuddy store. All products in store are obligated to be supported for at least 18 months or until next expansion, whichever comes first. That is because the combat routines will mostly be needed to be rewritten on an expansion, just like it is happening right now with Legion. We do not live in Alice's wonderland, do not expect something that's completely being rewritten to be given to you for free. As far as I know, most of the routine developers will be updating their products with no additional cost and that's them being generous. In the same manner, do not expect the routines that you purchased for Honorbuddy to be given to you for free for Legionbuddy after being rewritten completely. .

Can you provide some actual proof of this? I'd venture that more than half of the CR's, profiles, plugins and botbases listed on the buddystore had stopped being supported within 3 months of them being put onto the store, and its been that way since the store came out. Your 2-3 days it takes to get items approved is pathetic at best, the excuses you made about not being able to implement a rating system (something that took you over a year to implement) while people were selling items that were shady at best on your store. You'll probably come back with some excuse how you're understaffed and there's just no way for you to review every product out there...Aren't you supposed to do that during that approval process?

On top of that, a lot of people don't trust you because the straight up excuses you make about detections, the speed at which it takes you to get anything done, your general lack of updates and your complete reliance on the community to keep your bot running. Go ahead and say that it's due to staffing issue....You do know there's a solution to that, right? HIRE MORE STAFF.

You're right, noone is going to remember you for your successes, and to be pefectly frank, noone should. And it's pretty easy to understand why...You've been bragging for years how you have the best detections in the business, yet blizz always seems to beat them. When you lose half your user base every time a banwave rolls out, you of all people should understand why this community doesn't trust you and your excuses. I'm sure you'll come back here and say that there's no way that you can beat blizzard because they're so much bigger than you and have so many more resources...That's exactly why you shouldn't be bragging about anything or even mentioning your successes.

 

[qztr]

Oh OP, I absolutely LOVE how you complain about stuff when you have no idea of the requirements. You just made my day, GG.

 

[starlesss]

can some one pls link me the official page in the forum or website about LegionB and tell me when is supposed to be available

 

[korpiklaani]

Relax. Spewing vitriol at everyone who disagrees with you and constantly calling for threads you don't like to be closed doesn't tend to help. I understand that you're very much Bossland's partisan, but grow some objectivity. We're all here because we're buddybotters, and what makes ME sad is to see people dismiss 'everyone else' in their community as retards.

Everyone knows the battles that HB has fought with Blizzard. Shit happens over the course of a product's lifetime, and sometimes you realize that the financial model you started out with isn't going to work anymore.
However, if that is the case, then come out and say it. Like in the official HB price adjustment sticky, they clearly put out their position, and got a flood of support. That's good, honest business practice.

Both you and Dazzic start with the assumption that the primary purpose of Legionbuddy is increase revenue. If that's the case, then Legionbuddy may be un/less detectable, and it may be x64, but ultimately its main goal would be to sell a feature we've already purchased in Honorbuddy. Doing so and pretending otherwise would be more than a little dishonest, and disrespectful, business practice.

''Sometimes you realize that the financial model you started out with isn't going to work anymore".
Lmao this kid

 

[bobst]

As people are comparing this situation as if you were upgrading your old Toyota to a newer model, and thus shouldn't expect the new model to be for free... What about the trade-in value? Should be able to get a discount of some sort if you're a current user of HB! - Personally I don't really care, I'll buy whatever you guys come up with, but I can see how people can be frustrated about the situation.

 

[Ash]

''Sometimes you realize that the financial model you started out with isn't going to work anymore".
Lmao this kid

Seems pretty accurate. They used to sell lifetime keys, now they can't because fewer players = not enough money to support the bot.
Not sure what your point is....

 

[Insømniak]

i am not very frustated about legionbuddy, but as a member of the community who purchased many crs, i dont like the fact that we have to buy them again..

 

[Day7]

As a person who has purchased CRs for each of my classes, I am ok with the fact that I will have to pay for new ones on a new bot that I am also paying for

 

[cryten]

is it right, that Legionbuddy is only for Curstom Rotations?

 

[JGreen]

...
That is why Legionbuddy has born. Our customers have been seeking for a more safer alternative to use with their beloved characters. And that would be only possible with a radical decision, writing a completely passive bot with no injection and memory manipulation. In that manner, the reason of Legionbuddy being a separate product is that we can not just rewrite Honorbuddy as a passive bot. The base of Honorbuddy is so big that it would take us 6 months to a year to do so.
...

Will there be plan to re-write HB to be a passive bot, no injection, memory manipulation which should translate to a safer bot?

Thanks.

Regards,
JG

 

[joseph]

if they sold a life time key today cost $100 us dollars for it today . it would take you less then few weeks to make that back in just gold . i do not understand people who have had life time keys for years being upset. that they paid $60 for something they have used on and off for years . it still works and they are still updating profiles

 

[AknA]

Can you provide some actual proof of this? I'd venture that more than half of the CR's, profiles, plugins and botbases listed on the buddystore had stopped being supported within 3 months of them being put onto the store, and its been that way since the store came out. Your 2-3 days it takes to get items approved is pathetic at best, the excuses you made about not being able to implement a rating system (something that took you over a year to implement) while people were selling items that were shady at best on your store. You'll probably come back with some excuse how you're understaffed and there's just no way for you to review every product out there...Aren't you supposed to do that during that approval process?

On top of that, a lot of people don't trust you because the straight up excuses you make about detections, the speed at which it takes you to get anything done, your general lack of updates and your complete reliance on the community to keep your bot running. Go ahead and say that it's due to staffing issue....You do know there's a solution to that, right? HIRE MORE STAFF.

You're right, noone is going to remember you for your successes, and to be pefectly frank, noone should. And it's pretty easy to understand why...You've been bragging for years how you have the best detections in the business, yet blizz always seems to beat them. When you lose half your user base every time a banwave rolls out, you of all people should understand why this community doesn't trust you and your excuses. I'm sure you'll come back here and say that there's no way that you can beat blizzard because they're so much bigger than you and have so many more resources...That's exactly why you shouldn't be bragging about anything or even mentioning your successes.

When you become a community dev you have to sign a contract where it states that you have to support your products for 18 months from the upload date (or until a expansion), you're not allowed to be a community dev without signing said contract so.

 

[AknA]

As people are comparing this situation as if you were upgrading your old Toyota to a newer model, and thus shouldn't expect the new model to be for free... What about the trade-in value? Should be able to get a discount of some sort if you're a current user of HB! - Personally I don't really care, I'll buy whatever you guys come up with, but I can see how people can be frustrated about the situation.

So lets say you can trade in your hb lifetime key for the new bot, and lets say you get 3 months (or whatever for it), then what, you don't think ppl will complain hey, I bought something that would last a lifetime and now I only get 3 month of the new bot, this sux, my time is up I want my old lifetime back....

 

[omgzombie]

So lets say you can trade in your hb lifetime key for the new bot, and lets say you get 3 months (or whatever for it), then what, you don't think ppl will complain hey, I bought something that would last a lifetime and now I only get 3 month of the new bot, this sux, my time is up I want my old lifetime back....

I don't see why shouldn't I be able to trade my lifetime hb key for Legionbuddy key....

so what if people will complain? make them read the terms of agreement for the trade and then their complains are blank.

I personally have used HB for the combat routine alone, And I personally wouldn't mind if my lifetime HB key turned into 3 months LB key, I am going to stop using HB anyway because of LB's release and will have to buy LB. I think it's only fair that I can make such trade.

The option itself should be there, if you feel like your hb lifetime key isn't worth the 3 months lb? then don't fucking trade it lol

 

[BotOperator]

Everything about Legendary Buddy and Legionbot is answered in the FAQ and in threads like this. Everything else is repeating ourself again and again for people who do not want to read.
Do not bury a project which is not even alive. Wait for Legionbot to be release and then see yourself if you want it or not. Stop complaining about things you never had your hands on so far and where no one is forcing you to take it.
This thread is becoming more and more nonsense.

 

[ashmoday121]

I see so many assumptions in this thread, most being wrong. Let me state some detailed information one more time regarding Legionbuddy.

In last seven days, the raid bot/combat bot/Enyo etc. usage in total nets 2.53% of total Honorbuddy usage. Even though the last 3 banwave attempts post May banwave have been detected and dodged successfully by Tripwire, people will only remember the banwaves. Therefore, most of you are afraid of using Honorbuddy on your beloved characters which is quite reasonable.

That is why Legionbuddy has born. Our customers have been seeking for a more safer alternative to use with their beloved characters. And that would be only possible with a radical decision, writing a completely passive bot with no injection and memory manipulation. In that manner, the reason of Legionbuddy being a separate product is that we can not just rewrite Honorbuddy as a passive bot. The base of Honorbuddy is so big that it would take us 6 months to a year to do so.

Legionbuddy has been on development for last 6 months. We could have made it faster, but we didn't want to spare our resources from Honorbuddy. Honorbuddy is still our flagship product. Honorbuddy will still be there and updated. It is not going anywhere. We will still be doing constant updates and make sure the security is in highest possible state.

As much as most of you do not or will not believe, Honorbuddy still has the most advanced protections versus Blizzard's detection attempts and it will continue to do so. Honorbuddy is the market leader, the reason that we are the only company being sued by Blizzard and been in legal battles with them for 5 years already. The reason that Blizzard attempts to detect it constantly. None of the other bots in the market is safer then Honorbuddy, in fact they are all vulnerable to *current* detection methods Blizzard has. Blizzard just doesn't care about them right now. We are looking forward for Blizzard to attempt detecting Legionbuddy in 64bit universe and taking all other bots down as collateral damage. That will possibly be only time that we will be able to gain our respect back.

Regarding the combat routine purchases from Honorbuddy store. All products in store are obligated to be supported for at least 18 months or until next expansion, whichever comes first. That is because the combat routines will mostly be needed to be rewritten on an expansion, just like it is happening right now with Legion. We do not live in Alice's wonderland, do not expect something that's completely being rewritten to be given to you for free. As far as I know, most of the routine developers will be updating their products with no additional cost and that's them being generous. In the same manner, do not expect the routines that you purchased for Honorbuddy to be given to you for free for Legionbuddy after being rewritten completely.

You will still be able to use your Honorbuddy store purchases for Honorbuddy. You purchased them to use for Honorbuddy. You decided to pay the money for them at the time of your purchase and you thought that price was worth it. Otherwise you wouldn't have paid for it.

In short, nobody is being ripped off. We are giving our customer base a safer alternative with less attack vectors for their beloved characters. Your Honorbuddy lifetime key and store purchases are still yours. Honorbuddy is still being updated and kept secure.

Really...safer version with less attack vectors??

To me this does NOT sound too trustworthy. Translated this sounds to me like i can dump my lifetime key for honorbuddy and forget the 150 bucks i paid for routines 1 year ago, or be in high risk to get my account baned.

And some more thoughts from my side.

People here in germany who used proxy servers got baned in WOW.
Why? Because most of them used proxy to enable the quest bot.

I am quite sure everybody who still uses a 32 bit client is checked more thoroughly.
I dont know much about the technical aspects, but i suppose Blizzard can see the Windows version you use. An as they also see if you use a 32 bit client, it doesnt need a genius to figure out bot users.