You guys just made the news.

[Applebudya]

Lets not define "lifetime"

^^^^

Word! too funny mate
Bossland is nothing more than a bad joke at this point.
I wish him as much success holding on to his sinking business as we received with our Lifetime keys.

 

[harris]

To be fair. If I was bossland and just figured out that I might lose everything including my house and car... I would be drunk as fuck making incoherent posts on the forums too! All kidding aside. We might lose a bot, but he might be losing everything. That is a bit rough to take. I feel for him on that level.

man up.

its not like he or anyone involved didnt knew what they did or have done.

 

[EleGiggle]

''According to the game developer the cheating and bots inflicted damage in the form of millions of dollars in lost sales because they destroy games for legitimate players''.
Lmao, Blizzard is the worst money grabbing company that doesn't give 2 shits about their players. They don't care at all. ''Legitimate players'' hahaha, they care oh so much!
Fuck Blizzard forever. They deserve to get their shit game, and shit servers botted to oblivion, it's just a shame that they are so rich so nobody can stand against them.
With the recent Riot's win against League S., this is looking more grim than ever.

 

[Aion]

''According to the game developer the cheating and bots inflicted damage in the form of millions of dollars in lost sales because they destroy games for legitimate players''.
Lmao, Blizzard is the worst money grabbing company that doesn't give 2 shits about their players. They don't care at all. ''Legitimate players'' hahaha, they care oh so much!
Fuck Blizzard forever. They deserve to get their shit game, and shit servers botted to oblivion, it's just a shame that they are so rich so nobody can stand against them.
With the recent Riot's win against League S., this is looking more grim than ever.

Yep, this is the sole truth for Blizzard Entertainment. And no matter if its called Glider, Pirox, PQR/PE, Honorbuddy, FH, SBR or any other smaller bot, WoW will be brutally botted till its last day, just because the botting nature is hardcoded in the WoW concept!

Remember the Diablo 2 servers - Blizzard shutted them down, because they could not stop the mass botting in it, everyone was botting, no banwaves, no shits.

 

[pops12]

Yep, this is the sole truth for Blizzard Entertainment. And no matter if its called Glider, Pirox, PQR/PE, Honorbuddy, FH, SBR or any other smaller bot, WoW will be brutally botted till its last day, just because the botting nature is hardcoded in the WoW concept!

Remember the Diablo 2 servers - Blizzard shutted them down, because they could not stop the mass botting in it, everyone was botting, no banwaves, no shits.

What are you talking about? The Diablo 2 servers are up.

 

[wizardpt]

Just sell your house and car and everything worth money for 10% of the real price to a "friend" of your confidence then go bankrupt and all the money you have go to them , after that ask your friend to give all those stuff back and voila.... guess i dont need to explain the rest.

 

[EleGiggle]

Yep, this is the sole truth for Blizzard Entertainment. And no matter if its called Glider, Pirox, PQR/PE, Honorbuddy, FH, SBR or any other smaller bot, WoW will be brutally botted till its last day, just because the botting nature is hardcoded in the WoW concept!

Remember the Diablo 2 servers - Blizzard shutted them down, because they could not stop the mass botting in it, everyone was botting, no banwaves, no shits.

Yes, and their favorite used word ''legit'', i was just thinking about this: they don't ban guilds and players that sell gear runs for gold, what is ''legit'' in me(for example) coming to a top guild and paying them gold to gear me? How is that fair to all the people that spend every day of their life grinding for the same gear? I just come in one day, and the second day i shit on you and your grind.

That is very ''legit''. I bet legit players love earning their gear the hard way, and then seeing some clown that payed cash geared the same. How is that helping the game? How is it promoting ''EQUALITY'', ''FAIRNESS'', ''LEVELED FIELD FOR ALL THE PLAYERS'', the FAVORITE words used by Blizzard? Where is that then? The fuck is then different if i bot? Where are the Economy Abuse bans? Where are all the ''EQUALITY'' breaking bans? Bunch of hypocrites. I can't even.
To be fair, i hated wow since it's release, as i grew up on Warcraft 2 and 3, but if they want to speak about Fair Game, then do it in full force, or don't do it at all. Simple as that. Fucking hypocrites.

 

[pops12]

Yes, and their favorite used word ''legit'', i was just thinking about this: they don't ban guilds and players that sell gear runs for gold, what is ''legit'' in me(for example) coming to a top guild and paying them gold to gear me? How is that fair to all the people that spend every day of their life grinding for the same gear? I just come in one day, and the second day i shit on you and your grind.

That is very ''legit''. I bet legit players love earning their gear the hard way, and then seeing some clown that payed cash geared the same. How is that helping the game? How is it promoting ''EQUALITY'', ''FAIRNESS'', ''LEVELED FIELD FOR ALL THE PLAYERS'', the FAVORITE words used by Blizzard? Where is that then? The fuck is then different if i bot? Where are the Economy Abuse bans? Where are all the ''EQUALITY'' breaking bans? Bunch of hypocrites. I can't even.
To be fair, i hated wow since it's release, as i grew up on Warcraft 2 and 3, but if they want to speak about Fair Game, then do it in full force, or don't do it at all. Simple as that. Fucking hypocrites.

That applies to real life too! Some crimes are more heavily enforced than others, but just because they can't arrest everyone doesn't mean they going to let everyone get away with everything.

 

[wizardpt]

I want to dedicate this music for all the hb comunity

The Doors - When the Music's Over (with Lyrics) - YouTube



p.s : Its quite impossible you made only 600k selling keys and with buddystore but whatever.

 

[Aion]

Yes, and their favorite used word ''legit'', i was just thinking about this: they don't ban guilds and players that sell gear runs for gold, what is ''legit'' in me(for example) coming to a top guild and paying them gold to gear me? How is that fair to all the people that spend every day of their life grinding for the same gear? I just come in one day, and the second day i shit on you and your grind.

That is very ''legit''. I bet legit players love earning their gear the hard way, and then seeing some clown that payed cash geared the same. How is that helping the game? How is it promoting ''EQUALITY'', ''FAIRNESS'', ''LEVELED FIELD FOR ALL THE PLAYERS'', the FAVORITE words used by Blizzard? Where is that then? The fuck is then different if i bot? Where are the Economy Abuse bans? Where are all the ''EQUALITY'' breaking bans? Bunch of hypocrites. I can't even.
To be fair, i hated wow since it's release, as i grew up on Warcraft 2 and 3, but if they want to speak about Fair Game, then do it in full force, or don't do it at all. Simple as that. Fucking hypocrites.

World of Warcraft is officially P2W game with the recent Token->Battle.net balance cashout feature.

For those not aware what P2W acronim is - its Pay-to-Win - aka more wealthy players can just buy the required gear, levels etc of their online characters, while the regular gamers need the earn/grind/win them the common way - with playing.

Now any rocky WoW player can create battle.net account, buy BC+Legion, create boosted to 100 toon, buy a 100-110 boost ingame via Dungeons, grind or BGs, once the character is 110, would simply buy several boosts - one full Nighthold NM, one full Nighthold HC, one Mythic 1-15, then he will be safely in the 870-880 bracket in his first week, after the reset he will loot his default ilvl 900+ item, if lucky will already have 1 or 2 legendaries.
If he is not lazy enough, he should be unlocked his 3rd relic (which is the only moment, which cannot be boosted without account sharing or botting , not like it require any skills, its just ~40-60 quests) and being close to 995 ilvl, he can safely apply for any random super uber mega hardcore Mythic Nighthold clearing guild .... or assume he have conquered just another game

 

[cevaps2]

Just sell your house and car and everything worth money for 10% of the real price to a "friend" of your confidence then go bankrupt and all the money you have go to them , after that ask your friend to give all those stuff back and voila.... guess i dont need to explain the rest.

welcome to the law. what you're doing is called "collusive transaction" and they'll take away that stuff from your pal.

 

[spacek]

World of Warcraft is officially P2W game with the recent Token->Battle.net balance cashout feature.

For those not aware what P2W acronim is - its Pay-to-Win - aka more wealthy players can just buy the required gear, levels etc of their online characters, while the regular gamers need the earn/grind/win them the common way - with playing.

Now any rocky WoW player can create battle.net account, buy BC+Legion, create boosted to 100 toon, buy a 100-110 boost ingame via Dungeons, grind or BGs, once the character is 110, would simply buy several boosts - one full Nighthold NM, one full Nighthold HC, one Mythic 1-15, then he will be safely in the 870-880 bracket in his first week, after the reset he will loot his default ilvl 900+ item, if lucky will already have 1 or 2 legendaries.
If he is not lazy enough, he should be unlocked his 3rd relic (which is the only moment, which cannot be boosted without account sharing or botting , not like it require any skills, its just ~40-60 quests) and being close to 995 ilvl, he can safely apply for any random super uber mega hardcore Mythic Nighthold clearing guild .... or assume he have conquered just another game

stop, lol

can't buy 54 traits - this is what gets you into guilds, gear not so much right now

 

[EleGiggle]

Now any rocky WoW player can create battle.net account, buy BC+Legion, create boosted to 100 toon, buy a 100-110 boost ingame via Dungeons, grind or BGs, once the character is 110, would simply buy several boosts - one full Nighthold NM, one full Nighthold HC, one Mythic 1-15, then he will be safely in the 870-880 bracket in his first week, after the reset he will loot his default ilvl 900+ item, if lucky will already have 1 or 2 legendaries.
If he is not lazy enough, he should be unlocked his 3rd relic (which is the only moment, which cannot be boosted without account sharing or botting , not like it require any skills, its just ~40-60 quests) and being close to 995 ilvl, he can safely apply for any random super uber mega hardcore Mythic Nighthold clearing guild .... or assume he have conquered just another game

That up there should be put in their game manual actually ^
What a joke.

 

[Aion]

stop, lol
can't buy 54 traits - this is what gets you into guilds, gear not so much right now

It was a joke, mate.

But a rookie wow player, who buy everything up to there, will abandon the traits farm long before he caps the Artifact knowledge to 25 even

 

[joseph]

this bot is dying.
HB do not see the big picture . HB is focused only on the BoT and Blizzard . trouble is the bot does nothing with out profiles. Enyo, Raid bot, Combat bot, and Group bot all need good routines. DungeonBuddy, BG buddy, Gatherbuddy2, Fishing buddy, and Grind bot all need profiles. 90% of the users dont know how to make them nor do they want to learn. think of the BoT like a game system (IE Xbox or Playtation ) if HB wants to make millions they need to start paying people to make profiles. lock the profile to a Key so you cant use it on all 100 keys only the 1 you bought it for. i know i would buy Legion dungeons and Legion LFRs for my Keys . i would buy Boss fights for normal and heroic if they worked. i bought the World quest for $25.i bought the Combat routinesfor $90. i loved Aion Satchel profile in Wod.i would of got the pet profiles from stuido 60 if i didnt lose my main account . i am sure 1000s would buy dungeons for $30 to $50 and Raids for $30 to $50. the few free profiles out there are so over used.

 

[matt84]

Yes, and their favorite used word ''legit'', i was just thinking about this: they don't ban guilds and players that sell gear runs for gold, what is ''legit'' in me(for example) coming to a top guild and paying them gold to gear me? How is that fair to all the people that spend every day of their life grinding for the same gear? I just come in one day, and the second day i shit on you and your grind.

That is very ''legit''. I bet legit players love earning their gear the hard way, and then seeing some clown that payed cash geared the same. How is that helping the game? How is it promoting ''EQUALITY'', ''FAIRNESS'', ''LEVELED FIELD FOR ALL THE PLAYERS'', the FAVORITE words used by Blizzard? Where is that then? The fuck is then different if i bot? Where are the Economy Abuse bans? Where are all the ''EQUALITY'' breaking bans? Bunch of hypocrites. I can't even.
To be fair, i hated wow since it's release, as i grew up on Warcraft 2 and 3, but if they want to speak about Fair Game, then do it in full force, or don't do it at all. Simple as that. Fucking hypocrites.

blizzard recently took action against players / guilds selling gear runs for end game raids.. so i mean clearly not that much of a hypocrisy if they are also taking action against those people...

regardless of how you feel about any of it, it's their game and they have the right to enforce what they wish, if they want to ban bots they have the right to ban bots and they started banning bots because the player base finally got fed up with it to the point that they were creating addons to try and help detect suspected botters etc..

blizzard did what they could to protect their investment... just because it doesn't align with what you want doesn't make them evil. Just like Bossland has done what he thought was right for his business revoking lifetime keys, and removing yearly keys etc... only blizzard didn't do that to any of us, they sold us a product and service, gave us clearly stated terms of how they would handle our business and it was up to us to go against them... the latter just decided to bend us over for his own benefit.

 

[Aion]

blizzard recently took action against players / guilds selling gear runs for end game raids.. so i mean clearly not that much of a hypocrisy if they are also taking action against those people...

regardless of how you feel about any of it, it's their game and they have the right to enforce what they wish, if they want to ban bots they have the right to ban bots and they started banning bots because the player base finally got fed up with it to the point that they were creating addons to try and help detect suspected botters etc..

blizzard did what they could to protect their investment... just because it doesn't align with what you want doesn't make them evil. Just like Bossland has done what he thought was right for his business revoking lifetime keys, and removing yearly keys etc... only blizzard didn't do that to any of us, they sold us a product and service, gave us clearly stated terms of how they would handle our business and it was up to us to go against them... the latter just decided to bend us over for his own benefit.

Actually, as EleGiggle pointed, they took actions only towards those players and guilds, selling gear/boost for real money, but not those, selling it for ingame gold.

Their actions are obvious - With the recent Token->Battle.net balance feature, they force both parties to run the ingame services via Blizzard's Pay-2-Win mechanism to generate extra.

So, since Blizzard clearly sell gold for real money (because everyone can buy officially ~90k gold for $20), why they action players, accused to sell their online time for money? Isn't this illegal concurrent practices? No matter if its on Blizzard ground, such practices are against any appropriate law in both EU/US.

And you, who is defending Blizzard, I doubt you still play the game by hands, right? Or not play the game at all, like major portion of the people on this board. They just bot it, because WoW is too boring and non-competing to be played by hands for many many years!

Plus no one here demonise Blizzard as evil, evul or something. We point the clear - Blizzard DO NOT CARE for their customers - The GAMERS! They just try to be police, action players here and there, but care not to change the game and make it less bottable!

The result is clear - each gamer needs to farm 54 ranks of artifact power to enter high-end raids ... pathetic!

this bot is dying.
HB do not see the big picture . HB is focused only on the BoT and Blizzard . trouble is the bot does nothing with out profiles. Enyo, Raid bot, Combat bot, and Group bot all need good routines. DungeonBuddy, BG buddy, Gatherbuddy2, Fishing buddy, and Grind bot all need profiles. 90% of the users dont know how to make them nor do they want to learn. think of the BoT like a game system (IE Xbox or Playtation ) if HB wants to make millions they need to start paying people to make profiles. lock the profile to a Key so you cant use it on all 100 keys only the 1 you bought it for. i know i would buy Legion dungeons and Legion LFRs for my Keys . i would buy Boss fights for normal and heroic if they worked. i bought the World quest for $25.i bought the Combat routinesfor $90. i loved Aion Satchel profile in Wod.i would of got the pet profiles from stuido 60 if i didnt lose my main account . i am sure 1000s would buy dungeons for $30 to $50 and Raids for $30 to $50. the few free profiles out there are so over used.

You are indeed right.
With all the recent stuff involved, seems the Core Devs have not prioritising into further development on those above. We pointed this to Bossland & Core Devs multiple times in the closed ComDev chat.

For example, Dungeonbuddy was quite unpopular recently for several reasons:

On Legion launch, Core Devs assured, we will have Dungeon scripts very soon. But months passed, and Oleary started coding his own dungeons profiles, but when he was almost ready for release few months ago, Core Devs released the default normal scripts and killed his work. But Oleary was ready with the Heroic scripts actually, not Normal ones only.
Now a few months passed since then, and we are yet to see Heroic scripts - the sad is, they are already coded, just missing the front-end profile for them, which is done in less than 3min for all 8 dungeons in total!

For Timewalking its the similar issue:
Highvoltz made the WoTLK or Cata TW scripts ready for internal testing since day one on the event few months ago, but no Core Dev baked a Release version for Honorbuddy for the 1-week event duration, so customers could not use them at all!
In the recent Pandaria TW, they prolly not found time to "make" the scripts, but it took me ~15min to take Highvoltz's default scripts and just merge the MoP Timewalking Id on each dungeon involved and upload them to the forum (without any testing). The result was known - they worked nearly perfect!

Regarding the LFR, most of the wings are quite straight forward, I briefly made some basic scripts (without any custom movement or avoidance on bosses) for 4-5 of them, they basically work for dps or healer - not 100% Afk, but 99%. So Im sure if they get some time for LFR, the result will be much better!

 

[greenfork1]

Bossland and the team have gotten us this far.

No one botting thinks they are following the rules and we all knew the risks.

As for the lifetime change I support it.
If you haven't gotten 10x your money back form using the bot then you did it wrong.
This is a company, and companies need income to survive.

Let it play out, let them handle it, there is no need for added stress on anyone in the team right now.
They obviously know the issues at hand and calling them out for answers they don't have yet is unfair.

When they have answers they will provide them, as they always have.

Good luck

 

[roneo1]

Yo, fuck blizzard, just keep running/making bots for the other products. Blizzard is not the only cashcow out there. Not to mention their games are kinda suckin lately, and so is their development philosophy, time to reorient to other horizons.

 

[EleGiggle]

blizzard recently took action against players / guilds selling gear runs for end game raids.. so i mean clearly not that much of a hypocrisy if they are also taking action against those people...

blizzard did what they could to protect their investment... just because it doesn't align with what you want doesn't make them evil. Just like Bossland has done what he thought was right for his business revoking lifetime keys, and removing yearly keys etc... only blizzard didn't do that to any of us, they sold us a product and service, gave us clearly stated terms of how they would handle our business and it was up to us to go against them... the latter just decided to bend us over for his own benefit.

On a first note, the action was against people that sold runs for real money, the ones selling it for ingame gold are as safe as any legit player. So yeah, the hypocrisy stands.
Secondly, I agree it is their game, and their rules. But whoever is designing the game is making it so to enforce heavy addiction without actual progress that would come with it, making sure you will spend money each month on subs(i wouldn't be surprised if they actually hired a well trained psychiatrist to ensure they attack the most vulnerable part of human brain that causes heavy addiction). They use different tactics to rob you politely and under the guise of good guys ''that just offer a fun game and fight with those evil botters!''
Also, having some nice profit in my pocket thanks to HB can hardly be called ''being bent over''. More like we botters bent over Blizzard a little, and took some of their precious gold. And with the right we did, fuck them.