x/x banned theory.

[bawala]

Hey guys i am looking to get some insight.
When some of you say that my 6/6 accounts got banned or 3/6 accounts got banned for example.
Then are you using different ip with those accounts or same ?
For example this is what happened with me.

4/5 banned where all these 4 were using proxies from some forum seller. One account that survived was on my direct connection.
Again
1/2 banned but these 2 were on same V P N same ip so one is still working fine.

So i do not know if the different ips really help or not.
What are your views.

Regards.

 

[themuffin]

IPs can't possibly play a role. Anyone behind a company or university shares an external IP and that's thousands of people.

 

[Leespiker]

Volume IDs and MAC Addresses - Along with paypal/cc linked with accounts - I've finally figured this out and have taken the necessary precautions. This is all my opinion though, so don't hold any of it to be 100% true. You want to use game cards for your accounts, and you want to change your volume IDs and MAC Address regularly. However without a virtual machine, I'm not sure if you can run your accounts on different VolumeIDs or MAC Addresses.

 

[bawala]

Volume IDs and MAC Addresses - Along with paypal/cc linked with accounts - I've finally figured this out and have taken the necessary precautions. This is all my opinion though, so don't hold any of it to be 100% true. You want to use game cards for your accounts, and you want to change your volume IDs and MAC Address regularly. However without a virtual machine, I'm not sure if you can run your accounts on different VolumeIDs or MAC Addresses.

Mac address is always local, in your traffic/data that you send to blizz server they can see only ip address but not mac address.
Trust me it is how routing works, mac address never leaves your LAN.
So what mac address blizz server see ?
the mac address of the router connected to blizz server.
The only way blizz can see you mac address is if they are running a program on your computer which collects information and send them and that would be highly illegal cause one can do a packet capture of NIC and see if such information is bieng sent to blizz servers. They will be screwed.
I do not use payments account i use prepaid game time card.

Regards.

 

[hi1674]

hardware id CAN play a role

 

[scarletfire]

mac address and hardware id is my best guess. It's definitely not linked to CC. My fiancee receives her sub payments from my same cc that I had 2 accounts banned on (she bots as well) and both of her accounts were untouched.

 

[bawala]

mac address and hardware id is my best guess. It's definitely not linked to CC. My fiancee receives her sub payments from my same cc that I had 2 accounts banned on (she bots as well) and both of her accounts were untouched.

What is hardware id ?
Mac address i cant stress can not be know by simply connecting to game, i am a networking engineer lol so i know it.

 

[irfancemara]

i think for now its all about all in-game activity, not related with IP address, Mac address, for me atleast.... Been farm for like years on same IP and same computer, never get banned all on the sametime ... I belive i got banned for farm xx amount of xx time in row, never get single banned for BG's

 

[NaPz0r]

the first time i've ever met a big ban issue was 10 out of 10 all closed at the same time. I was using 1 computer no vmware or else. Each bots were just used for mining/herbs. No selling or anything else on either of them. I had 1 account that was used to sell those ores.
I just got banned 3 out of 3 3 days ago, bot were playing h24 and they got ALL banned at the same time. I was using 2 different computer, 1 with 1 bot and the other one with 2x Virtual Machines. Blizzard can definitely check the traffic provided from an IP i'm 90% sure of it because all those accounts were absolutely not bind between each others, i had even different name/surname on each, different hardware/computer, the only thing connecting them was the account i used to sell ores but this account was also logged in and didn t get affected by those bans.
Next time, i'm going to try to use a *** with vmware on every different bots because the only thing my accounts shared were their IP and nothing else.

 

[kvnlod]

Mac address is always local, in your traffic/data that you send to blizz server they can see only ip address but not mac address.
Trust me it is how routing works, mac address never leaves your LAN.
So what mac address blizz server see ?
the mac address of the router connected to blizz server.
The only way blizz can see you mac address is if they are running a program on your computer which collects information and send them and that would be highly illegal cause one can do a packet capture of NIC and see if such information is bieng sent to blizz servers. They will be screwed.
I do not use payments account i use prepaid game time card.

Regards.

You are completely wrong!!

The mac address is used to identify the NIC card. They do have access to it if you connect to blizz servers.

You are a idiot and need to stop talking out of your ass about shit you don't know.

 

[bawala]

You are completely wrong!!

The mac address is used to identify the NIC card. They do have access to it if you connect to blizz servers.

You are a idiot and need to stop talking out of your ass about shit you don't know.

I know if you are not aware of how 'routing' works and hence the internet then sure it is hard to make you understand.
Perhaps do a google search and get to know about it.
Did you even know before reading this post that mac address is 48 bits ?
i know you do not have slightest of idea what networking means to you ?
Be bit more open minded and you will end up learning a thing or two in these public forums.

Regards

 

[ChuckLee]

I know if you are not aware of how 'routing' works and hence the internet then sure it is hard to make you understand.
Perhaps do a google search and get to know about it.
Did you even know before reading this post that mac address is 48 bits ?
i know you do not have slightest of idea what networking means to you ?
Be bit more open minded and you will end up learning a thing or two in these public forums.

Regards

This is actually true.

Mac address is only shared between your computer and ISP's router, after connecting to the Game, the game is provided the ISP's routers mac address. +1 for you my friend

 

[ChuckLee]

You are completely wrong!!

The mac address is used to identify the NIC card. They do have access to it if you connect to blizz servers.

You are a idiot and need to stop talking out of your ass about shit you don't know.

You need to tone it down and learn some 'shit'

 

[bawala]

This is actually true.

Mac address is only shared between your computer and ISP's router, after connecting to the Game, the game is provided the ISP's routers mac address. +1 for you my friend

thanks
your comment motivates me to add further bit of tech knowledge.
What mac address does blizz server see ?
Blizz servers see the mac address of their immediate routing device ( prolly a high-end router ) which is responsible for connecting their machine ( server ) to internet.
So mac address is changed at every hop, in layman's language at every router. So if your traffic passes like 100 routers to reach blizz server from your home computer then it is re-written ( layer 2 information ) 100 times and you see the mac address of last device responsible for routing packets.
It is the ip address that remains the same ( layer 3 information )
When you are logging into a blizz server, remember it is not one server, it is cluster of server doing load balance for one server, but this is transparent to users.
I mean users will see that it is only a single machine.
Similarly blizz cant rely on one connection to one server to keep it connected with internet, there are probably many connection to one server ( cluster of servers ). So that they have good redundancy and resilient network.

Btw not that i am bragging but i have been a good Cisco Network engineer and have worked for Cisco :-D and taken care of many enterprise networks.
Regards

 

[kvnlod]

You need to tone it down and learn some 'shit'

I would suggest you learn some shit.

 

[kvnlod]

thanks
your comment motivates me to add further bit of tech knowledge.
What mac address does blizz server see ?
Blizz servers see the mac address of their immediate routing device ( prolly a high-end router ) which is responsible for connecting their machine ( server ) to internet.
So mac address is changed at every hop, in layman's language at every router. So if your traffic passes like 100 routers to reach blizz server from your home computer then it is re-written ( layer 2 information ) 100 times and you see the mac address of last device responsible for routing packets.
It is the ip address that remains the same ( layer 3 information )
When you are logging into a blizz server, remember it is not one server, it is cluster of server doing load balance for one server, but this is transparent to users.
I mean users will see that it is only a single machine.
Similarly blizz cant rely on one connection to one server to keep it connected with internet, there are probably many connection to one server ( cluster of servers ). So that they have good redundancy and resilient network.

Btw not that i am bragging but i have been a good Cisco Network engineer and have worked for Cisco :-D and taken care of many enterprise networks.
Regards

Must not be a good Cisco engineer. Because a mac address cannot be changed unless you flash the bios on the net device. It might connect to other net devices that have different mac addressees but it does not change the original net device mac address.

BTW not braggin but I work at a Microsoft data center and deal with this junk everyday.

 

[ChuckLee]

I would suggest you learn some shit.

You are pretty pathetic to say the least, you're arguing when you clearly have no idea of what your talking about but instead trying to pick fights with people.

Please go back to school and learn something more than acting like a child and trolling a forum.

I'd chill out before you end up banned for being an asshole.

You work at Microsoft? I doubt it, people who work at Microsoft are more intelligent than you

 

[kvnlod]

You are pretty pathetic to say the least, you're arguing when you clearly have no idea of what your talking about but instead trying to pick fights with people.

Please go back to school and learn something more than acting like a child and trolling a forum.

I'd chill out before you end up banned for being an asshole.

HAHA!!! Man you are stupid.

 

[ChuckLee]

HAHA!!! Man you are stupid.

You clearly are when blizzard does not read mac addresses at all, only hardware ID's, Get your shit straight bro

 

[chinajade]

I know if you are not aware of how 'routing' works and hence the internet then sure it is hard to make you understand.
Perhaps do a google search and get to know about it.
Did you even know before reading this post that mac address is 48 bits ?
i know you do not have slightest of idea what networking means to you ?
Be bit more open minded and you will end up learning a thing or two in these public forums.

Regards

This is actually true.

Mac address is only shared between your computer and ISP's router, after connecting to the Game, the game is provided the ISP's routers mac address. +1 for you my friend

You need to tone it down and learn some 'shit'

I would suggest you learn some shit.

<chuckles> you guys need to chill a bit. Let's not make this personal.

Yes, the MAC address never leaves the local network.

But...
It is possible for the WoWclient to read the MAC address of the machine on which its running, and periodically send that information to the WoWserver-side session manager captured in a WoW data packet (unlike the IP packets the MAC address is normally used in). This is how the MAC address might be associated with your session/machine, not because it escapes the network as part of the IP datagram.

You'd have to pull out WireShark or something and examine the escaping WoW data packets to see whether or not this was actually being done. This is just but one form of data-mining that Bliz has at their disposal where they can perform WoWserver-side only analysis to catch botters, if they wanted to.

Just another spin,
chinajade