WW Barb Vs TR Monk in Skip Elites/Farm White Mobs MP8-10 Runs

[mephuser1000]

If you're not either farming gold in Hell MP10 or Legs/Sets in Inferno MP8-10, you're clearly losing out.

WW Barb
- WW doesn't work if you use Vmware or slower PCs.
- Waller Elites are a problem if you don't take Leap.
- WW is inferior as an AOE skill compared to Monk's WoL
- WOTB is better than Serenity.
- 3% Life Steal Belt is IMBA
- Barbs can only reach 90% Movespeed max
- Str Gear is more expensive than Dex Gear
- Budget = Skorn, Rich = DW Echo + Dagger
- Trinity Barb routines are less maintained compared to Monk routines.

TR Monk
- No problems in Vmware and slower PCs.
- Waller Elites are not a problem as long as you have FOT.
- Monk's WoL is superior as an AOE skill compared to WW
- Serenity is inferior as compared to WOTB.
- Life Steal is an expensive problem
- Monks can reach 120% Movespeed max.
- Dex Gear is cheaper than Str Gear
- Budget = Skorn, Rich = DW Echo + Dagger
- Trinity Monk routines are more maintained compared to Barb routines.
- China Botters most preferred Bot Class.

 

[moldran]

Rend is used to farm mp10

 

[Harmacintyre]

Separate Your Pros And Cons. If You Are Going To Troll. Do It Right

 

[AngelsHalo]

Rend and then WW through is key... Monk has to walk through. But I'm only doing MP9 at the moment and this is with almost 600m gear. Yes its not worth it from a pure profit perspective but I also bot for FUN. It is a challenge, I want to start botting MP10 for the sheer fun of it. Blizzard go ahead and ban me I don't care. Already made my $$$ and there isn't much left anyways.

 

[mephuser1000]

Rend and then WW through is key... Monk has to walk through. But I'm only doing MP9 at the moment and this is with almost 600m gear. Yes its not worth it from a pure profit perspective but I also bot for FUN. It is a challenge, I want to start botting MP10 for the sheer fun of it. Blizzard go ahead and ban me I don't care. Already made my $$$ and there isn't much left anyways.

600m gold = Price of RUS D3 CDKey.
Still worth it as you can get >6 legs/sets per hour as compared to 0.5 legs/sets per hour in MP0 to MP3.

 

[Bertrand]

0.5 legs on mp0 ? Maybe, with 100k gear

 

[bizzy1one]

I dont really understand your position on the whole dex is cheaper than str gear thing. I just made a metric fuckton off raping china's eyesockets with dex gear over the weekend. any dex unity was 5m (still is 4m).. the shittiest inna's peices were 2m+ with resist being at 3-4m ... dex litany was 3-5m (still is 2-3m) ... any dex mempo was 4m .... shitty dex vile ward were 2-3m.

This was mostly due to demand but the prices stay higher than str gear save on some high end tanky stuff. (dex 6c mempo is still higher than str).

another big downside ...my p100 barbs rock 28yd pickup cheaper than 1 monk can rock 7yd.

ww/sprint produces pretty much equal to TR monk on mp0 but at a substantial less cost in my experience. I have no imput on mp8-10 as i still dont believe its worth it to bot.

 

[mephuser1000]

0.5 legs on mp0 ? Maybe, with 100k gear

100k gear will only produce at most 390 IPH.
I'm at 530 IPH but 0.5 legs per hour across several bots after 6hrs of non-crash (DB will always crash randomly btw 1-6 hours for me, so I have to use a relogger). Not possible to obtain a straight 33hr log.
Trinity just recorded 3 miserable legs drops (spreaded randomly from ilvl 60-63) across 6 hours.
Should be able to reach 590 IPH if I ditch the Vmware but I will be stuck with "Your login habits have changed. Account Lockout" and I can't do recovery.

I dont really understand your position on the whole dex is cheaper than str gear thing. I just made a metric fuckton off raping china's eyesockets with dex gear over the weekend. any dex unity was 5m (still is 4m).. the shittiest inna's peices were 2m+ with resist being at 3-4m ... dex litany was 3-5m (still is 2-3m) ... any dex mempo was 4m .... shitty dex vile ward were 2-3m.

This was mostly due to demand but the prices stay higher than str gear save on some high end tanky stuff. (dex 6c mempo is still higher than str).

another big downside ...my p100 barbs rock 28yd pickup cheaper than 1 monk can rock 7yd.

ww/sprint produces pretty much equal to TR monk on mp0 but at a substantial less cost in my experience. I have no imput on mp8-10 as i still dont believe its worth it to bot.

Seems to me that for Weapons and Rare Rings/Amulets, Dex ones are cheaper than Str, the difference is more pronounced as the DPS or Tri-stats go up.
The "Dex gear more expensive or Str gear more expensive" argument has been going for ages, since the 2 largest groups are either WW Barbs or TR Monks.

 

[bizzy1one]

started off dex > all ... then when the ww build came about str took over by far ... now that its died off some TR/ casual or pvp dh's have more pull in the economy than str imo. the extreme top end could prolly go either way, but i can say for a fact the mid range items dex is far far more expensive atm and has been for atleast 3-4 weeks.

btw ... is anyone botting mp8-10 trash with some stats they can share? char stats + drop stats would be insightful.

 

[AngelsHalo]

started off dex > all ... then when the ww build came about str took over by far ... now that its died off some TR/ casual or pvp dh's have more pull in the economy than str imo. the extreme top end could prolly go either way, but i can say for a fact the mid range items dex is far far more expensive atm and has been for atleast 3-4 weeks.

btw ... is anyone botting mp8-10 trash with some stats they can share? char stats + drop stats would be insightful.

From another thread...

Been running MP9 barb with ~4 deaths per hour but its ok, getting about 2-3 leg per hour need very expensive gear though... spent about 600m. but already found a 3.5% crit int mempo so it maybe pay itself off quick

Stats
55k health
650 base all res
185k base dps
~8.5% life steal (3% belt, + weapon +bloodthirst)
mace 1100 dps/ls/vit/os mh
EF 900 88% crit/os oh

skills:
bash-instigate
ww-hurricane (or whatever the movespeed one is)
into the fray, impunity, run like the wind, rend, typical ww barb build.
weapon master, ruthless, bloodthrist.

make sure to set db/trinity to ignore elites. i am running modified minimal skycrown to only do dense areas (core 2, keeps 2, sky crown). surprisingly making 700 gph, maybe because MP9 tons of gold.

MP10 it goes too slow and die 10+ times an hour

Have been running it 24/7 since then. Averaging about 2.2 legendaries per hour consistently. Other than the 3.5% mempo I havent found anything more than 20m though lol.

 

[mephuser1000]

From another thread...
Have been running it 24/7 since then. Averaging about 2.2 legendaries per hour consistently. Other than the 3.5% mempo I havent found anything more than 20m though lol.

Did you reach at least 450 IPH? It sounds like you're at less than 300 IPH with 4 deaths.

 

[kork09]

bullshit thread
barbs : you dont have to get life steal weapons which are insanely priced
you have wotb which helps a lot with with frozen and such especially with bot
movement speed

monks : as far as i know tempest rush logic doesnt work properly with bot
you are stuck to 2handers if u want to use tempest rush (which can work but u must have insane gear)
what the barb has above and monk doesnt

 

[mephuser1000]

bullshit thread
barbs : you dont have to get life steal weapons which are insanely priced
you have wotb which helps a lot with with frozen and such especially with bot
movement speed

monks : as far as i know tempest rush logic doesnt work properly with bot
you are stuck to 2handers if u want to use tempest rush (which can work but u must have insane gear)
what the barb has above and monk doesnt

You failed at reading:

WW Barb
- 3% Life Steal Belt is IMBA

Tempest Rush does work:

Would pay USD / Donate for working Tempest rush logic.

Has there been any progress on it?

Go look in the guides section.

^ This right here is a wise statement.....

That's the point of the thread!

Anyway, Gardetto's Build and setup works wonderfully, I am running it myself with small variations. It will help anyone who enters the thread looking for info on TR builds, so thank you for that.

 

[Soullinker]

TBH i have been running a monk on MP0 and a monk mp5.
Using trinity stats to compare them(i know i should look at trinity logs for true stats) i could say that the mp5 monk is getting 1,2 more legionaries per hour. The GPH and IPH is the same as the mp0 monk.
However for over half a month is have found no difference in the QUALITY of the legs or loot. And to be honest the mp0 monk surprised me yesterday with 5 items that could be sold on the rmah(not something amazing just 10-15 euro stuff) while the mp5 monk had only vendor trash on him with the exception of one zunimasa skull that maybe can be sold. I know this all RNG and stuff and the mp5 monk overtime will outproduce the mp0 monk based on the fact that more items fall. Hence i am gearing monks for mp5 now.
But i am wondering does mp10 matters on QUALITY of loot, because in mp0 and mp5 is saw no difference. Because i am not really willing to spend half a billion to just log 2-3 more days a week to vendor legs.

 

[DemonSexu]

well runing all on mp1 found 3x mempo with 4,5% crit, 5% crit and 6% crit all sold for 100e +
also lots of crap for 20e around
so imo botting mp10 is waste if u dont have prop gear which allow u doing it quickly.
all chars got 50m gear budget and all r 100para doing 750-900gph

 

[bizzy1one]

Quality will not change through monster power via anything other than probability based on more legendaries dropped total thus making more of them good by default than the lower amount would produce on average. If you find 24 leg/day in mp0 and 10% of them are decent then you will have 2.4 decent legendary a day... if you find 48 leg/day on mp10 and same 10% are decent you will have 4.8. Thats the only reason to do it. Bonus drop % = more legendary ... Bonus magic find = more rares turn legendary.

2leg/hr does not give me enough incentive to do it. most of my bots avg around 1.5-2/hr on mp0 while bulking mp0 gold and emeralds to boot. I havent tried monk mp10 but have tried a very good geared barb and was disappointed. Maybe ill give the monk a try.

I can also agree that even mp9 is even easier than mp10 by a good margin, but im not sure if mp8-9 pay off near as what mp10 does.

Another thing thats a monk wall atm with TR/trinity is you are stuck stacking avg dmg / dex / crit / crit dmg and cant stack the biggest 2h stat IAS as it drains your spirit to channel TR pretty bad. I guess running mp10 trash would allow you to use it as travel and actually stack IAS to get 200-300k dps on sheet. I think the highest ive gotten with 8% ias only on pants was around 180k.

 

[mephuser1000]

TBH i have been running a monk on MP0 and a monk mp5.
Using trinity stats to compare them(i know i should look at trinity logs for true stats) i could say that the mp5 monk is getting 1,2 more legionaries per hour. The GPH and IPH is the same as the mp0 monk.
However for over half a month is have found no difference in the QUALITY of the legs or loot. And to be honest the mp0 monk surprised me yesterday with 5 items that could be sold on the rmah(not something amazing just 10-15 euro stuff) while the mp5 monk had only vendor trash on him with the exception of one zunimasa skull that maybe can be sold. I know this all RNG and stuff and the mp5 monk overtime will outproduce the mp0 monk based on the fact that more items fall. Hence i am gearing monks for mp5 now.
But i am wondering does mp10 matters on QUALITY of loot, because in mp0 and mp5 is saw no difference. Because i am not really willing to spend half a billion to just log 2-3 more days a week to vendor legs.

Quality will not change through monster power via anything other than probability based on more legendaries dropped total thus making more of them good by default than the lower amount would produce on average. If you find 24 leg/day in mp0 and 10% of them are decent then you will have 2.4 decent legendary a day... if you find 48 leg/day on mp10 and same 10% are decent you will have 4.8. Thats the only reason to do it. Bonus drop % = more legendary ... Bonus magic find = more rares turn legendary.

2leg/hr does not give me enough incentive to do it. most of my bots avg around 1.5-2/hr on mp0 while bulking mp0 gold and emeralds to boot. I havent tried monk mp10 but have tried a very good geared barb and was disappointed. Maybe ill give the monk a try.

I can also agree that even mp9 is even easier than mp10 by a good margin, but im not sure if mp8-9 pay off near as what mp10 does.

Another thing thats a monk wall atm with TR/trinity is you are stuck stacking avg dmg / dex / crit / crit dmg and cant stack the biggest 2h stat IAS as it drains your spirit to channel TR pretty bad. I guess running mp10 trash would allow you to use it as travel and actually stack IAS to get 200-300k dps on sheet. I think the highest ive gotten with 8% ias only on pants was around 180k.

I hope you guys aren't using the untweaked public profiles and routines.

 

[bizzy1one]

i personally used a few kd2 only profiles with trin.10 with different trash settings. the bot itself performed decently i guess other than the problems i knew would arise and have been stated (waller/elites in doors/ 47 arcane beams in trash pack / no logic for how long to run past elites etc).

a mp10 trash barb could more than likely bot mp5 with no problems while still having problems on mp10 trash it seems.

i guess if there's some private routines that solve all this then it might be worth more of a look.

 

[Harmacintyre]

All My Bots On MP1 Average At 2.11 Legs Per Hour. (27 Hours) IMO, Not Worth The Money To Spend For Mp10 Char

 

[jackasshole]

Which map/profile is the best for "trash-only" mp10 runs?