What the hellllllllllllllllllllll rmah shutting down !

[Hat 1]

It will be just the way they said it would be Kill monsters get loot just like in D1 and D2 group up with other players using there dungeon system

The amount of gold to repair and to do things will change big time

No more gold sellers at all it will be a way of fixing the gold sellers using hacked accounts and adding players in wow

It is sad if you were making a living off the game feel sorry for you

Only way to make money is to sell it on ebay or have a website as such but that is not allowed on ebay so you would have to have a website

Also Paypal supports blizzard against gold sellers from memory

I would not be surprised if blizzard scans yahoo or google with a web crawling program to search for these sites that will come up in the search engines

 

[pimpampum]

I'm surprised at the amount of posters happy about the change, that will probably make botting pretty useless.

If you fcking care for the game, why did you start botting in the first place? Get your thoughts straight kiddos.


You think that removing trading all together would help the game? Sure, for a month or so. After that, who would keep on playing just to see if I can get ANOTHER gorgeous legendary to try ANOTHER different build?

It will cut the lifetime of the game to a minimum. Yep I found the best 4 legendaries in 4 days! Wait, what can I do now.....why am I playing?

 

[bizzy1one]

I'm surprised at the amount of posters happy about the change, that will probably make botting pretty useless.

If you fcking care for the game, why did you start botting in the first place? Get your thoughts straight kiddos.


You think that removing trading all together would help the game? Sure, for a month or so. After that, who would keep on playing just to see if I can get ANOTHER gorgeous legendary to try ANOTHER different build?

It will cut the lifetime of the game to a minimum. Yep I found the best 4 legendaries in 4 days! Wait, what can I do now.....why am I playing?

Check out how the console is doing .... it uses that exact philosophy and its dead already.

I have moderate fears they will turn it into a single player game instead of just giving people a single player mode. Kill "x" mobs to get "x" mats that are boa to roll "x" items or enchant "x" items and that becomes the entire game. That sounds pretty goddamn boring to me after a short while.

Diablo franchise wasnt great because of its self sufficient game play ... it was great because it was near impossible to get the extreme high end and forced social interaction via trading to even get close. That feeling of finding that UBER ITEM fades really fast when everyone in the game has it.

I dont know what they have planned, but everything that used to be true about that company is long passed. They should have added targeted BOA drops with some fancy new crafting and left both AH's imo. Removing the gold AH alone is the biggest mistake they've made thus far I think.

Does anyone on the planet really want to go back in time 13 years to WUW? WUG? *******WTB 160/60 ARCHON WTB PERF TRAVS WTB 410+/14+ BOTD ZERK WTB ETH HOZ WTB PERF COA WTS HIGH RUNES********* all day? This makes me think surely they have something else already planned, but then they release statements like "Players can still use the in game trade feature" and it destroys all my hopes.

Accessibility is what makes blizzard games so good ... taking it all away is a bad move imo.

 

[Eisenberg]

I'm surprised at the amount of posters happy about the change, that will probably make botting pretty useless.

If you fcking care for the game, why did you start botting in the first place? Get your thoughts straight kiddos.


You think that removing trading all together would help the game? Sure, for a month or so. After that, who would keep on playing just to see if I can get ANOTHER gorgeous legendary to try ANOTHER different build?

It will cut the lifetime of the game to a minimum. Yep I found the best 4 legendaries in 4 days! Wait, what can I do now.....why am I playing?

Blizzard just doesnt care about longevity of D3 because theres no paid subscription. For them its even better if ppl get bored with game quickly, because thats mean lesser costs of sustaining servers. Their experiment with RMAH failed, so they decided to simply remove all auction houses altogether because this feature caused only problems for them. Furthermore they are appeasing naive ppl who believe that removal of AH will brought d2 spirit to d3.

Check out how the console is doing .... it uses that exact philosophy and its dead already.

However it sold well, and blizz figured that it would be better to make expansion in same spirit, rather than try to fix auction houses, and explain ppl that their existance is good for them.

 

[Bertrand]

Regarding the few posts above...

Guessing, guessing... Bottom line is we need to wait for blizzcon before we start planning. We know next to nothing regarding the future of trading in d3 and the way the new trading/loot2.0 will impact the game and our wallets. All i can say is that i see increased activity from blues regarding trading after ah/rmah shut down as well as josh mosquiera asking on his very own twitter what does trading mean to the d3 comminuty (link https://twitter.com/joshmosq).
With that in mind i do believe that we are going to see something new regarding trading after the rmah/ah shut down, what will it be ? Could it be some dumbed down ah where we will be able to post items and only our friends will be able to see ? Something like a personal mini-store ?

 

[zorked]

I for one would like a mailing systm similar to the one in wow.

 

[AngelsHalo]

Blizzard will definitely announce a new plan for monetizing D3 in Blizzcon. They made too much money off it to just throw it away "because that's what the fans want".

 

[aokchris592]

Still. I think they have to introduce a new trading system, we can't go back to d2 trading.

d2 trading is 10x better than d3
imo with a diablo game d2 trading is the way to go now this gold bs
wow is a different story wow started off with gold being the main currency
i like there taking rmah out i think if they naje the game more like d2 it will be a better game( i still play d2 to this day)

 

[bizzy1one]

d2 trading is 10x better than d3
imo with a diablo game d2 trading is the way to go now this gold bs
wow is a different story wow started off with gold being the main currency
i like there taking rmah out i think if they naje the game more like d2 it will be a better game( i still play d2 to this day)

Runes/soj = gold ... its the same thing in the end. There will always be a common currency. Believe it or not, if dupers didnt create the rune economy d2 would have been 1/2 the game it was over the last 10 years. Dupers did a better job at monetizing d2 economy than blizzard ever could have. 2x pul = um 2x um = ist 3x ist = high rune x high rune = items determined value. It changed over time here and there but the basis stayed the same and the dupers did an excellent job at controlling supply / demand / prices. It stayed very good for a long time. It doesnt really matter if its gold or crafting mats or gems or whatever ... D3 will continue to have something.

The part about D2 trading that has always sucked, and sucks to this day is hours and hours of WUG WUW horse shit and 7 hours of watching/spamming trade chat just to finally find something you you want to buy but the guys an idiot and cant even comprehend what you are saying. I understand people wanting D2 trading back b/c there is always a winner and loser and good traders will always come out on top, but at the same time how in the hell could anyone in their right mind want to go back to that shit? Instead of using the AH all the time there will be a bazillion people in trade chat instead of in game.

I'm still afraid that their new motto will be "We aren't worried about solving the trading problem because you wont need to trade" .... if that comes to pass then we can all pack it up cause it would be done.

If everything is so easy to get that everyone has everything then there's no reason to ever trade or buy anything. They don't even have to bind shit because its already worthless. That prospect / idea is the only thing that makes sense to me atm. It solves a lot of problems and answers a lot of questions.

I think they will publish a mass single player game to appease the noobshit carebears and let them buy an expansion every 8-12 months with ladder resets in b/n. Then they can rape the $40 from the masses yearly and not worry about half the shit they do now.

I personally would pay $1k usd to have ros release just the same as vanilla did, but thats not going to happen ... that was more than likely a once in a lifetime thing and will miss it dearly.

 

[Bertrand]

I'm still afraid that their new motto will be "We aren't worried about solving the trading problem because you wont need to trade" .... if that comes to pass then we can all pack it up cause it would be done.
I think they will publish a mass single player game to appease the noobshit carebears and let them buy an expansion every 8-12 months with ladder resets in b/n. Then they can rape the $40 from the masses yearly and not worry about half the shit they do now.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=UzUvIRFLCwA#t=163

Seriously dude, dont give blizzard any bright ideas, or on the other hand maybe i shouldn't be too worried, this is way too good for them to figure out lol
They'll probably make enchanting cost way too much gold (wouldnt be the first thing they will overshot) thus making gold still valuable thing to trade, and then again all the itemization is about is targeted and cooler legendaries, perfect trifecta rings/ammus will still be hard to find. Plus take into consideration ladder resets... Once thing i can say for sure is, the profits will probably be extremely volatile after ros release, we could make a lot of money, or on the other we could make nothing due to what u said. I just hope for some kind of substitute trading system instead of the ah, spamming forums and chats every day will make botting basically a full time job...

 

[bizzy1one]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=UzUvIRFLCwA#t=163

Seriously dude, dont give blizzard any bright ideas, or on the other hand maybe i shouldn't be too worried, this is way too good for them to figure out lol
They'll probably make enchanting cost way too much gold (wouldnt be the first thing they will overshot) thus making gold still valuable thing to trade, and then again all the itemization is about is targeted and cooler legendaries, perfect trifecta rings/ammus will still be hard to find. Plus take into consideration ladder resets... Once thing i can say for sure is, the profits will probably be extremely volatile after ros release, we could make a lot of money, or on the other we could make nothing due to what u said. I just hope for some kind of substitute trading system instead of the ah, spamming forums and chats every day will make botting basically a full time job...

We are on the same page.

I'm hoping that enchanting and crafting both have really high gold costs to force gold into the currency position it is currently in now, and I also hope that base items remain non bound which will also be a big money maker. I.E. current EF with 1300 dps, 160 main stat , 70%+cd and 734 life after kill. Right now that EF is of only mediocre value because no socket. The enchantress in RoS will allow a player to remove the life after kill and reroll for chance at socket ... thus items of that nature will be valuable on top of gold and other mats.

I also hope for some sort of new trading platform, but their attitude to me suggest they have plans to do it on the fly and not much worried about it... This is what causes my fear.

I hope more than anything that blizzcon brings some awesome news ... but what I expect is them not having an answer to AH removal and announcing ladders will release with RoS. When those words come out of their mouths this game is dead until RoS launches much like the game before the last legendary buff patch.... Only this time there really will be absolutely 0 use in playing for anyone. I pray that they are not that ignorant and keep that info to themselves.

p.s. there's nothing wrong with botting being a full time job ... as long as the money is there ^^... I've been doing it for about 5 months now solid and would like to continue ... can't think of another job really that i'd enjoy more than I do this.

As long as they dont totally destroy the trading game there will be at least some money (we will likely never see d3 release again tho). People still make money off runescape ffs.

 

[Eisenberg]

Blizzard will definitely announce a new plan for monetizing D3 in Blizzcon. They made too much money off it to just throw it away "because that's what the fans want".

Their new plan is to make money on selling game itself, by drawing dumb ppl with propaganda gestures like liquidating auction houses.

I'm still afraid that their new motto will be "We aren't worried about solving the trading problem because you wont need to trade" .... if that comes to pass then we can all pack it up cause it would be done.

If everything is so easy to get that everyone has everything then there's no reason to ever trade or buy anything. They don't even have to bind shit because its already worthless. That prospect / idea is the only thing that makes sense to me atm. It solves a lot of problems and answers a lot of questions.

I think they will publish a mass single player game to appease the noobshit carebears and let them buy an expansion every 8-12 months with ladder resets in b/n. Then they can rape the $40 from the masses yearly and not worry about half the shit they do now.

I personally would pay $1k usd to have ros release just the same as vanilla did, but thats not going to happen ... that was more than likely a once in a lifetime thing and will miss it dearly.

This is the view i share as well. I think they didnt make that much money on RMAH in the long run as they expected, while both auction houses caused massive technical and game balance issues for them, which they didn't want or weren't able to fix. Without Ah they even dont need to improve drop rate, because items are good or bad in relation to something, without AH ppl wouldn't be able to compare their stuff to best items which are being put in AH by players from ENTIRE CONTINENT. Some ppl will use d2jsp and other 3rd party sites to buy and sell items, but vast majority of dumb lemmings would be now able to safely play "self found" (that is do mindless grind) without frustration of seeing thousands of items on AH which are light years away from what they got. Frankly, if we were blizzard, didnt we also choose this safe path of earning money rather than undertaking titanic efforts to fix and convince everyone to features which received mixed revives from players in the first place ?

We are on the same page.

I'm hoping that enchanting and crafting both have really high gold costs to force gold into the currency position it is currently in now, and I also hope that base items remain non bound which will also be a big money maker. I.E. current EF with 1300 dps, 160 main stat , 70%+cd and 734 life after kill. Right now that EF is of only mediocre value because no socket. The enchantress in RoS will allow a player to remove the life after kill and reroll for chance at socket ... thus items of that nature will be valuable on top of gold and other mats.

Dont dellude urself, increasing cost of repairs or introducing craftable boa didnt do ANYTHING to gold prices, it only angered d3 forums carebears, which are obviously ppl they want to appease right now. I think that all stuff like enchanting, reroling stats etc would require something like demonic essence anyway, so that it would be suited for "self found" style of play rather that "buy 1 bil gold from chineese and be awesome". Just realize this ppl, with d3 blizzard is utilizing policy "max effect min effort", if they deemed that they cant get their cut off trading, then they will marginalize this aspect of gameplay like they did with pvp.

 

[zorked]

And that all derpidated just because they did not see the simple fix of "Enchanting you Items causes the Item to be Character bound" before. That would have taken all good Items out of the game and produced a healthy marked. But no, they chose to make everything retradeable even if pushed to the max with Gems and stuff.

You don't evene need a Bachelor degree to understand this @_@

 

[Job2k9]

To me, closing the AH stops the ease in which Joe Casual can find and post something to sell to other players. Instead he will (in his likely opinion) have to go through the hassle of signing up to a 3rd party trading website, go through the pains of finding a buyer then making a trade hoping not to be scammed. This massive amount of work (compared to the ease of the current Bliz controlled AH trade) should hinder almost all the D3 players from moving items from account to account. Likely a lot of items that could generate $ will never be traded.

This may mean that us as botters (who are willing to go through the "hassles" of trading 3rd party style) will have far less competition from legitimate players selling their items than before. Ideally this'll mean things depreciate more slowly post ROS. Unfortunately there is the loss of reliable trade, which I'm on the fence about. Either way I think ROS will be profitable for a time, just as D3 was upon release.

 

[Eisenberg]

To me, closing the AH stops the ease in which Joe Casual can find and post something to sell to other players. Instead he will (in his likely opinion) have to go through the hassle of signing up to a 3rd party trading website, go through the pains of finding a buyer then making a trade hoping not to be scammed. This massive amount of work (compared to the ease of the current Bliz controlled AH trade) should hinder almost all the D3 players from moving items from account to account. Likely a lot of items that could generate $ will never be traded.

This may mean that us as botters (who are willing to go through the "hassles" of trading 3rd party style) will have far less competition from legitimate players selling their items than before. Ideally this'll mean things depreciate more slowly post ROS. Unfortunately there is the loss of reliable trade, which I'm on the fence about. Either way I think ROS will be profitable for a time, just as D3 was upon release.

Thing ure forgetting is that while number of ppl selling will decrease, also number of ppl buying will decrease as well, because certainly not everyone who was buying in blizz sanctioned RMAH will bother with shady 3rd party sites. Really, theres nothing good in removal of auction houses for botters, it only mean much more work for most likely, far less profits than before.

And that all derpidated just because they did not see the simple fix of "Enchanting you Items causes the Item to be Character bound" before. That would have taken all good Items out of the game and produced a healthy marked. But no, they chose to make everything retradeable even if pushed to the max with Gems and stuff.

You don't evene need a Bachelor degree to understand this @_@

They just didn't seen a reason to keep auction houses while it has shown to be not profitable enough, explaining this action as a measure of fixing game is just a smoke screen, period. The more simple this game is, the better for them, because it requires less resources investment to get same profit. Thats why we didnt get pvp they promised, they are calculating that throwing some new epics, minor enhancements like reroling stats and ladder along with cheap propaganda moves like deleting RMAH will make ppl to buy xpac.

 

[zorked]

My friends with whom I played D3 at launch on a 2 day LAN-party don't even bother about RoS at all.

Well, let's see how it develops.

 

[bizzy1one]

I think them turning the AH's into a trading post is possible. I'm pretty sure PoE is adding 1 into their game that even has SMS text support so you can contact people selling items with your offer over a text msg when they are offline.

I really dont care what it is as long as it's not nothing.

p.s. I actually think 1 of the only reasons gold still sells for $1.5/50 and $2/50 on waves is almost solely from mass people crafting for BIS gear. I expect even more of it to be done in RoS. Just my guess.

 

[joe3563]

Lol talking about false assumptions.....

Ya... who was right on this one? Gold? Not tradeable. Epic loot? Only if you are in the same group and only for 2 hours after it drops. Everything else? Well, everything else is not worth trading!

 

[GIVEMEANAME]

Ya... who was right on this one? Gold? Not tradeable. Epic loot? Only if you are in the same group and only for 2 hours after it drops. Everything else? Well, everything else is not worth trading!

Forcing you to group/play with the clans/friends, kind of making and forcing it in some fashion to be multiplayer oriented

 

[dan991199]

Forcing you to group/play with the clans/friends, kind of making and forcing it in some fashion to be multiplayer oriented

clans have killed what few pub/open games were left.