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TuanHA Paladin - The Ultimate Experience

cpthawkins said:
Hello I have some problems with your cr.
My pala doesn't heal or do anything else in heal-spec.

I tried with lazyraider and enyo.

Sorry that I link to my other post with the log, but I'm outside at work.
hope you will look at the other post for my log.

https://www.thebuddyforum.com/forum...97-ich-verzweifel-mein-pala-nicht-heilen.html
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Hi,

I'm sorry you are using store version that not updated for 20 days xD (I've just submit new version just now to the store waiting for approval)

I advice you go to my website (just google it) and download the free version, which updated almost daily.

This should fix your problem :D
 
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Oh thanks for your help!
Yes I know your side, because I wanted buy your all-in-one cr.
I just wanted try the cr before I buy.
but so I will buy it later if I home.
 
Lotzadots said:
I'm assuming you dance between this CR and OracleII fight depending hammer?
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I used to use Oracle II, but it has a problem right now that makes me so freaking crazy.. it's using Divine Prot and Divine Shield even if it's set to 0, that on Mythic is a huge problem as i need perfect timing when using then. My settings are on the settings manager there if you want :P Just be careful, there is more than one, get the updated and also the General Settings (i enable overhealing for 40% on Oracle II).

But right now i'm raiding Mythic with rev. 46 of TuanHA CR, keep both Beacons on tanks (disable auto beacon) and using 3 HP EFs, always. Why i do not use auto beacon? Two reasons, tank damage is freaking high on Mythic, and too much mana spend for not so much heals.. my logs says that i swap beacon about 40-50 times per fight when auto beacon is enabled, that's 120k to 150k mana spend ONLY ON BEACON SWAPPING. That's almost our entire mana pool, i don't think it's worth it. More mana = more heals.




blaackz said:
Flash of Light 70%?

with this setting i burn my mana quite fast like in 3-4min im oom, got itmlvl 649 and everburning candle + embleme of caustic healing

int 3472
spellpower 4632
crit 12,32%
haste 16,73%
multistrike 5,65%
versatility 3,12%
Spirit 1255
mana reg 8373
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Maybe your raid is taking too much damage. I'm running 1.45k spirit, 17% crit, 13% mastery and 17% haste, with Darkmoon 3/3 ilvl 670 Trinket and (very nice spirit proc) + Emblem of Caustic Healing.. and not having issues healing, even on Mythic.

Lower Flash of Light HP % if you are having mana problems. Also, i use my cooldowns manually, a smart use of then makes you use less mana for healing.
 
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tuanha said:
Hi,

I'm sorry you are using store version that not updated for 20 days xD (I've just submit new version just now to the store waiting for approval)

I advice you go to my website (just google it) and download the free version, which updated almost daily.

This should fix your problem :D
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After new HB clean-install -> it work great for me!
Thanks for your help!
What do you think how long it will need until the Pay-Version comes into the Buddystore?
Because maybe i will wait this time and buy over Buddystore.
 
TheHammer said:
I used to use Oracle II, but it has a problem right now that makes me so freaking crazy.. it's using Divine Prot and Divine Shield even if it's set to 0, that on Mythic is a huge problem as i need perfect timing when using then. My settings are on the settings manager there if you want :P Just be careful, there is more than one, get the updated and also the General Settings (i enable overhealing for 40% on Oracle II).

But right now i'm raiding Mythic with rev. 46 of TuanHA CR, keep both Beacons on tanks (disable auto beacon) and using 3 HP EFs, always. Why i do not use auto beacon? Two reasons, tank damage is freaking high on Mythic, and too much mana spend for not so much heals.. my logs says that i swap beacon about 40-50 times per fight when auto beacon is enabled, that's 120k to 150k mana spend ONLY ON BEACON SWAPPING. That's almost our entire mana pool, i don't think it's worth it. More mana = more heals.

Maybe your raid is taking too much damage. I'm running 1.45k spirit, 17% crit, 13% mastery and 17% haste, with Darkmoon 3/3 ilvl 670 Trinket and (very nice spirit proc) + Emblem of Caustic Healing.. and not having issues healing, even on Mythic.

Lower Flash of Light HP % if you are having mana problems. Also, i use my cooldowns manually, a smart use of then makes you use less mana for healing.
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So you're using the custom .xml settings you posted previously here? I'll check it out tonight. :)
 
Using paid version.
Selfless healer needs higher prio. Even set to 100 it still gets down prio to other heals. Casting holy light when judegement is of cooldown.
Must be cast 100% on cd to build the stacks, thus getting those almost instant 100k flash heal crits.
No need for logic looking for stacks, i.e. max 3 stacks. It will cast those hasted and buffed flash heals so often it wont matter.

Need logic for Infusion of Light.
If flash heal is triggered then if stacks of selfless healer = 0 then if IoL is procced then cast holy light.
Else cast flash of light.

Prio will be
Flash of light with stacks.
Holy light with IoL proc.
Flash of light with zero stacks.

Dungeons are messed up for some reason. Tried shifting from Enyo to Lazyraider but didn't make any difference.
In dungeons it will not cast judgement. But going in raidfinder it will cast it again.
Also acting very slow in dungeons.

Thanks for the continued support :)
 
Klikster said:
So you're using the custom .xml settings you posted previously here? I'll check it out tonight. :)
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Yep. Avenging Wrath is disabled because i use it manually, also my trinket (haste buff for 20s), but you can enable and set it up if you want. Also, Flash of Light is set to 70% because i have a lot (1.45k) of spirit, you can adjust that to yours if you go OOM too fast.
 
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This is my 2nd post to this thread, I'm hoping I can get someone smarter than me to help fix my issue:

Lazy Raider / Enyo -> Store TuanHA Paladin
The bot just sits there and won't heal, I have to close and reopen the bot 2-3x before it works, and if I leave the instance or join a new one I have to close and reopen the bot all over again, and yes, this is a fresh install with only LazyRaider as a plugin.
View attachment 8260 2014-12-23 16.02.zip
 
ubergoober said:
This is my 2nd post to this thread, I'm hoping I can get someone smarter than me to help fix my issue:

Lazy Raider / Enyo -> Store TuanHA Paladin
The bot just sits there and won't heal, I have to close and reopen the bot 2-3x before it works, and if I leave the instance or join a new one I have to close and reopen the bot all over again, and yes, this is a fresh install with only LazyRaider as a plugin.
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tuanha said:
Hi,

I'm sorry you are using store version that not updated for 20 days xD (I've just submit new version just now to the store waiting for approval)

I advice you go to my website (just google it) and download the free version, which updated almost daily.

This should fix your problem :D
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one side before i had the same problem

but to fix this problem you must do a clean-reinstall from HB

use no old settings! thats the only way now to fix it.

The Official TuanHA Combat Routine - Combat Routines
 
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Yes but you used the store version...
Now install hb clean und just copy your profiles, botbases and plugins nothing else...you will see all will be fine.
 
When will the paid version Work ? You said a few weeks after WOD release ?
 
Paid version is not working optimally. It works kinda like ok, but not like in the old days.
In the old days the holy pally was tuanhas 1. prio, thus his best routine.
Today it looks like the resto druid has his 1. attention.

I play all the healers and pally is the nr. 1 performer with the right setup and the right rotation.
Selfless healer combined with Beacon of faith combined with the glyph of flash of light, is the most powerful build.
Only reason why ppl will not use that build is because it is also the hardest to play.
You have to play around with the two beacons and keep your judgement of cd at all times.

Since the prio for a singletarget heal is
Flash of light with stacks.
Holy light with IoL proc. Holy light should not be cast unless it is with IoL proc.
Flash of light with zero stacks.

You will also have to keep track on the IoL proc and stacks of selfless healer.
Wich makes it perfect for a bot routine keeping track of all those and using the right priority at all times.


When those things are in order the next thing is to calculate when it pays of to move beacon of light.
Holy light costs 3300mana.
Moving beacon costs 1000mana but returns you 40% of 3300mana. = 3300 - 40% + 1000 = 2980
Saving 3300-2980=320
Not sure it is worth it.

Flash heal with no stacks = 6400mana.
6400 - 40% + 1000 = 4840mana
Saving 6400-4840=1560
Clearly worth moving beacon before casting flash heal with no stacks.

Flash heal with 1 stack = 6400 - 35% = 4160mana
4160 - 40% + 1000= 3496mana
Saving 4160-3496= 664.

Flash heal with 2 stacks = 6400 - 70% = 1920mana
1920 - 40% + 1000 = 2152
Saving 1920-2152= - 232.

So here is the breakpoint. It will not pay to use the beacon with 2 stacks.
And for simplification we can ignore it for casting holy light since it is likely to be on that target anyway.

For saving mana it can be simplified to only move beacon when flash heal with less than 2 stacks.
Or if the checking for stacks is complicated it can be simplfied to move beacon with no stacks.
Thus only need to check if stack or no stack. And can ignore the actual nr.

This is for Pve raiding where mana counts and we are trying to optimize heal/mana.
 
Blacknr1 said:
Paid version is not working optimally. It works kinda like ok, but not like in the old days.
In the old days the holy pally was tuanhas 1. prio, thus his best routine.
Today it looks like the resto druid has his 1. attention.

I play all the healers and pally is the nr. 1 performer with the right setup and the right rotation.
Selfless healer combined with Beacon of faith combined with the glyph of flash of light, is the most powerful build.
Only reason why ppl will not use that build is because it is also the hardest to play.
You have to play around with the two beacons and keep your judgement of cd at all times.

Since the prio for a singletarget heal is
Flash of light with stacks.
Holy light with IoL proc. Holy light should not be cast unless it is with IoL proc.
Flash of light with zero stacks.

You will also have to keep track on the IoL proc and stacks of selfless healer.
Wich makes it perfect for a bot routine keeping track of all those and using the right priority at all times.


When those things are in order the next thing is to calculate when it pays of to move beacon of light.
Holy light costs 3300mana.
Moving beacon costs 1000mana but returns you 40% of 3300mana. = 3300 - 40% + 1000 = 2980
Saving 3300-2980=320
Not sure it is worth it.

Flash heal with no stacks = 6400mana.
6400 - 40% + 1000 = 4840mana
Saving 6400-4840=1560
Clearly worth moving beacon before casting flash heal with no stacks.

Flash heal with 1 stack = 6400 - 35% = 4160mana
4160 - 40% + 1000= 3496mana
Saving 4160-3496= 664.

Flash heal with 2 stacks = 6400 - 70% = 1920mana
1920 - 40% + 1000 = 2152
Saving 1920-2152= - 232.

So here is the breakpoint. It will not pay to use the beacon with 2 stacks.
And for simplification we can ignore it for casting holy light since it is likely to be on that target anyway.

For saving mana it can be simplified to only move beacon when flash heal with less than 2 stacks.
Or if the checking for stacks is complicated it can be simplfied to move beacon with no stacks.
Thus only need to check if stack or no stack. And can ignore the actual nr.

This is for Pve raiding where mana counts and we are trying to optimize heal/mana.
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would putting both beacons on tanks solve most problems?
 
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