TUANHA PALADIN ? The Ultimate Experience

[tuanha]

Hey guys, spend a lot if time coding and I really don't have enough time to raid to find out what best settings...

If you find an optimal setting for Dungeon/Raid/PvP/Full Afk... please tell me, I'll add to default settings.

Thank you.

@Mocbar: help me find the setting "sweet spot" xD. TY for your support my special supporter.

 

[SickboyV]

I have write you a PM!

I hope you answer!

 

[mocbar]

Hey guys, spend a lot if time coding and I really don't have enough time to raid to find out what best settings...

If you find an optimal setting for Dungeon/Raid/PvP/Full Afk... please tell me, I'll add to default settings.

Thank you.

@Mocbar: help me find the setting "sweet spot" xD. TY for your support my special supporter.

if course i will we made an agreement and in the mean time i will devote all my time on the paladin routine and report as thourough as i can with the best settings my gear can give

 

[r00flr00fl]

I noticed that the PvP settings are pretty awesome in BGs, but for Arena they are not that good

My suggestion to make this CC more enjoyable and user friendly would be to add more tabs and not just "PvP" settings, there should be more like
- Battlegrounds (=PvP settings are awesome)
- Arena: 2s
- Arena: 3s
- Arena: 5s

I played 2s with a DK and went oom so fast, although I got top gear and everything gemmed and reforged to Spirit, that's why extra tabs with special settings would be greater
Also noticed that vs double-dps combos my DK got nuked down pretty fast without me healing him good enough, have no clue why that happens though

 

[mocbar]

I noticed that the PvP settings are pretty awesome in BGs, but for Arena they are not that good

My suggestion to make this CC more enjoyable and user friendly would be to add more tabs and not just "PvP" settings, there should be more like
- Battlegrounds (=PvP settings are awesome)
- Arena: 2s
- Arena: 3s
- Arena: 5s

I played 2s with a DK and went oom so fast, although I got top gear and everything gemmed and reforged to Spirit, that's why extra tabs with special settings would be greater
Also noticed that vs double-dps combos my DK got nuked down pretty fast without me healing him good enough, have no clue why that happens though

can you please post a (debug) log from these encounters so tuanha can analyse it, this is the only way for him to look at it

 

[fnawesome]

Some things i've noticed about this, sometimes it performs amazing, other times it just stands around with full mana while ppl are dying, and if you try to heal it stops cast and says that its saving mana. I would upload the log but its too big to be uploaded here, even after 1 boss fight

 

[rodxuxa]

First, thank you. Im an user of the full special edition and im loving it, thank you! I just want to leave this here:

1. Did a heroic as ret yesterday, Brewery, and the tank wanted to run ahead to aoe in the end of a hall, bot didnt want to let me control movement, i thought i left everything on manual, not sure tho. If thats really the case, i would love a "dont mess with my movement" option!

2. Please: Protection Just so you know i'm another patiently hoping for a prot support!

Thanks again!


edit: i know there's the bot and the CC control movement option, just to clarify a bit more; while running, bot would stop to use hammer of the righteous, turn around to face mobs, etc, and i wanted to keep running.

 

[madaraa]

I noticed that the PvP settings are pretty awesome in BGs, but for Arena they are not that good

My suggestion to make this CC more enjoyable and user friendly would be to add more tabs and not just "PvP" settings, there should be more like
- Battlegrounds (=PvP settings are awesome)
- Arena: 2s
- Arena: 3s
- Arena: 5s

A extra tab for Arena would be very nice

 

[rogurogu]

Hey there
I have a question which is probably not really related to this CR:
When doing BGs using BGBuddy my retribution paladin always dismounts 40yards away from his target, uses holy prism (while standing still) and then after like 1-2 seconds he starts moving towards his target. Is there any setting I need to adjust or any plugin? I mean... every player would ride until he's very close to his target and then dismount (probably jump->dismount). This doesn't only make botting less effective, it also makes it look a lot more obvious and bottish.

Anyways, my bot still gets scores like 10-1 all the time hehe

edit: tried to set the pull distance (BGBuddy option) to 7. I'm a little bit afraid that my bot won't fight back when he get's attacked from far away.

 

[Klikster]

i always save something that works before i update yes, but on tortoise you can select a revision you want in stead of HEAD
now i think rev17 is better but the default settings for healing is a mana dump, did not try to use 17 with MY settings yet, buzy with work atm

I'll have to try and figure that out in Tortoise then, thanks.

i did 3x 25m LFR yesterday with default settings from svn17 and switched halfway back to a saved copy of HB with svn5, mana issues gone and top healing again
now the default settings from svn17 might be a lot better suited for 10m raid sinds you need to heal more and faster, i did not test that, but i do 10m raid with svn5 and the same settings as with 25m LFR and that works just as wonderfull as in 25m LFR

now this evening i will take over the settings from svn5, put it in svn17 and try again

will post a report on how it goes

again, it feels that svn17 CR Base is better then svn5, it is just that mana is being dumped on the wrong spell settings causing mana issues and therefor you cant heal anymore early on in a long boss fight, resulting in a lower "Healing Done"

I don't lag either, R17 was definitely not top healing most of the time. However my experience with SVN17 is completely different than yours? I did 2x LFR yesterday and found that it didn't go OOM once.. I do have the relic of Chi'Ji to help with mana regen, but my pally never seemed to drop below 80% mana? He certainly wasn't casting heals 24/7 though (I switched to the public version of the Paladin, non SE, for a few minutes and that was burning through my mana like crazy.. but then went back to SVN17 and used the "Raid" preset and it worked good!). I was usually fairly low on the healing charts for the first LFR.. but I think there might have just been really good healers in there (2 Resto Sham's & 3 Resto Druids) in the second LFR I was top 3, sometimes top healing with SVN17.

Also, I used SVN17 in 1900 bracket Rated BG's last night and it was amazing!! Did so good it got me invited to a beasty 5's team.

I plan on doing 10man MV and HoF this week and ill post my results from that, although I'm in half PVP gear.

 

[ebouster]

can you please fix repentance issues while grinding. the check box to disable repentance does not work. the way the bot uses repentance is buggy. thnx

 

[tuanha]

I'll have to try and figure that out in Tortoise then, thanks.


I don't lag either, R17 was definitely not top healing most of the time. However my experience with SVN17 is completely different than yours? I did 2x LFR yesterday and found that it didn't go OOM once.. I do have the relic of Chi'Ji to help with mana regen, but my pally never seemed to drop below 80% mana? He certainly wasn't casting heals 24/7 though (I switched to the public version of the Paladin, non SE, for a few minutes and that was burning through my mana like crazy.. but then went back to SVN17 and used the "Raid" preset and it worked good!). I was usually fairly low on the healing charts for the first LFR.. but I think there might have just been really good healers in there (2 Resto Sham's & 3 Resto Druids) in the second LFR I was top 3, sometimes top healing with SVN17.

Also, I used SVN17 in 1900 bracket Rated BG's last night and it was amazing!! Did so good it got me invited to a beasty 5's team.

I plan on doing 10man MV and HoF this week and ill post my results from that, although I'm in half PVP gear.

The balance between Healing done vs Mana is only master of tweaking number, Mocbar will help me find the best balance soon.

You can also adjust the number of your personal preference.

LASTEST SVN UPDATE: PROT IS WORKING.

But no GUI yet, please help me on the test to make Protection as good as Holy and Ret.

Thank you.

 

[maxfx]

I have the following problem , i am very sorry but due to the nature of the problem i cant give u a log as i had to immediately Close HB and restart it.

Occasionally ( Especially if i start with rogue stealth ) the bot just doesnt do anything ( special edition - retri. ) . Other times as Holy the bot (if i play with rogue again and my mate vanishes and pops again ) will not heal him

As i said sorry but i had to close HB fast and restart to continue arena, notsure if i can find logs?

 

[tuanha]

I have the following problem , i am very sorry but due to the nature of the problem i cant give u a log as i had to immediately Close HB and restart it.

Occasionally ( Especially if i start with rogue stealth ) the bot just doesnt do anything ( special edition - retri. ) . Other times as Holy the bot (if i play with rogue again and my mate vanishes and pops again ) will not heal him

As i said sorry but i had to close HB fast and restart to continue arena, notsure if i can find logs?

Hmm, is hard to find out it's the HB issue or my CR issue.

I have no code specially related to rogue stealth/vanish... I should work as every situation...

If I can find that bug, I'll fix it for sure.

 

[rogurogu]

I thought it might be an good idea to upload a screenshot of one BG-Scoreboard



To be honest, my bot hasn't always stats like this, but it's not too uncommon neither.
He is wearing (nearly) full honor-set plus the 470 arena weapon. Instead of a pvp trinket he's using 2 offensive trinkets (I set it to activate the on use trinket on burst mode and set burst mode to "enemy player health below 80")
So this score was achieved with an average itemlvl of 458 which means there might be better results to be achieved wearing proper gear

 

[tuanha]

I thought it might be an good idea to upload a screenshot of one BG-Scoreboard

View attachment 67796

To be honest, my bot hasn't always stats like this, but it's not too uncommon neither.
He is wearing (nearly) full honor-set plus the 470 arena weapon. Instead of a pvp trinket he's using 2 offensive trinkets (I set it to activate the on use trinket on burst mode and set burst mode to "enemy player health below 80")
So this score was achieved with an average itemlvl of 458 which means there might be better results to be achieved wearing proper gear

I think blizzard will nerf us soon xD, ret do insane burst and heal fairly well, we deserve a nerf bat xD

 

[mocbar]

I'll have to try and figure that out in Tortoise then, thanks.


I don't lag either, R17 was definitely not top healing most of the time. However my experience with SVN17 is completely different than yours? I did 2x LFR yesterday and found that it didn't go OOM once.. I do have the relic of Chi'Ji to help with mana regen, but my pally never seemed to drop below 80% mana? He certainly wasn't casting heals 24/7 though (I switched to the public version of the Paladin, non SE, for a few minutes and that was burning through my mana like crazy.. but then went back to SVN17 and used the "Raid" preset and it worked good!). I was usually fairly low on the healing charts for the first LFR.. but I think there might have just been really good healers in there (2 Resto Sham's & 3 Resto Druids) in the second LFR I was top 3, sometimes top healing with SVN17.

Also, I used SVN17 in 1900 bracket Rated BG's last night and it was amazing!! Did so good it got me invited to a beasty 5's team.

I plan on doing 10man MV and HoF this week and ill post my results from that, although I'm in half PVP gear.

Nice to hear it works for you as it should and i have every confidence that it works, no question about that

did you do a svn update to svn17 ? if you did you could have taken the good working settings from the lower revisions in to it and that would explain why you don't experience the mana issue
i always do a fresh install if there is a new version and save the older one just in case, this way there cant be any obsolete setting or something stand in the way of the workings from the newer revision

Are you willing to share your DUNGEON and/or RAID settings here, and report your stats with it
2 screenshots from general and holy tab will suffice

for comparison we need:

Item level equiped
stamina unbuffed
intellect unbuffed
spirit unbuffed
mastery unbuffed

 

[mocbar]

okee, nuff said, will do 3 random heroic dungeons first with the following holy settings put in to a fresh install of HB .507, LazyRider and TuanhaPaladin svn revision 27

my stats are this:

Item Level 473
Stamina unbuffed 14.999
Intellect unbuffed 11.802
Spirit unbuffed 10.187
Mastery unbuffed 1475 = 15.69%

For the sake of a good comparison i will not use food and flasks for the time

Please try them and report your findings, incude your stats and possible tweaks to those settings if you find it works better for you / gear

item level equiped
stamina unbuffed
intellect unbuffed
spirit unbuffed
mastery unbuffed

we are trying to find the best entry level default settings for holy paladin as possible, for dungeon and raid

i use these talends and glyps:

Recommended for PvE
Talent [Pursuit of Justice] [Repentance] [Eternal Flame] [Clemency] [Divine Purpose] [Holy Prism]
Glyph: [Glyph of Beacon of Light] [Glyph of Divine Plea] [Glyph of Illumination]

If you have Low iLevel you should use Sacred Shield instead of Eternal Flame, especialy when u are only doing dungeons at start, until you can enter LFR Nightmare of Shek'zeer, but you can keep Sacred Shield ofc its your choice

 

[Klikster]

Nice to hear it works for you as it should and i have every confidence that it works, no question about that

did you do a svn update to svn17 ? if you did you could have taken the good working settings from the lower revisions in to it and that would explain why you don't experience the mana issue
i always do a fresh install if there is a new version and save the older one just in case, this way there cant be any obsolete setting or something stand in the way of the workings from the newer revision

Are you willing to share your DUNGEON and/or RAID settings here, and report your stats with it
2 screenshots from general and holy tab will suffice

for comparison we need:

Item level equiped
stamina unbuffed
intellect unbuffed
spirit unbuffed
mastery unbuffed

When I get home I'll get this info later tonight.

That's also highly likely about the mana and such so I'll try a fresh SVN17 as well.. but I'm going to try and get a version of SVN5 for myself and I'll play with that as well in LFR. Tortoise is a bit confusing but I should be able to figure it out!

 

[mocbar]

Dungeon 1: Scarlet Halls, party with very good tank and reasonable good dps team

Mana never below 250K

Recount Overall Data: Healing Done, 13478166

Dungeon 2: Stormstout Brewery, party with good tank and medicore dps team

Mana never below 213K

Recount Overall Data: Healing Done, 16425425

Dungeon 3: Scholemance party with bad tank en medicore dps team

Mana never below 148K, after the tank left in shame halfway, we got a master of a DK Tank, mana never went below 230K after that

Recount Overal Data: Healing Done, 30606833

up to LFR

note to Tuanha: mana plea still not working with settings from GUI