TuanHA free routines vs. the others PvE?

[mellome]

I've had TuanHA routines, paid, since his first update and have resulting received all the additional updates/CRs he has made.
Support wise with TuanHA it is all about how you contact him and the logs attached. He cannot do anything with a basic question if there isn't viable feedback to validate the claim.

As for the OP question on which is better? Generally, CRs that are focused specifically on a single class/spec will out-preform bundled CR development (like Oracle/TuanHA and even Gladiator in some respects).

• Resto/Balance druid - Leaves & Stars owns everything plus Mirabis's support is daily and on a personal level; HazzDruid is a close second with Balance and his Feral/Guardian CR is beastly. TuanHA's kitty is also pretty nasty in arena.
• TuanHA rapes with a Holy Paladin, but KingWOW is also damn, damn good with it.
• KingWOW is ungodly with a disc priest and will push numbers more than you thought you were even possible to achieve.
• Millz rapes with a Mage/Shadow Priest/Warlock routines and his support is spot on the letter.
• I haven't had much luck with Necrophilia, as it doesn't do what I expected it to always and can be wishy washy. Spec wise, respectively, GladSuite is boss with Unholy/Frost. Pasterke's Blood DK routine destroys everything else out there; while CoRo's frost is nasty in arena. TuanHA's Unholy is hella good too.
• TuanHA is baller with Monk / Hunter; though Gladiator is also pretty beast with Hunter.
• I've only played with TuanHA's warrior briefly ... however I have used Glad a good amount and it will do things with a warrior that just make you look at your screen and say "damn". I haven't used FuryUnreleased PvE so I dunno.

 

[FEUP]

Does this routines can compete for top 10 warcraftlogs ranks in any way ?
What's the max a routine can archieve in terms of dps/hps atm ?

 

[mellome]

Does this routines can compete for top 10 warcraftlogs ranks in any way ?
What's the max a routine can archieve in terms of dps/hps atm ?

Does which routine? We've discussed many titles ... you kind of need to narrow down the question.

 

[meth0d]

It's decent yeah, but missing some of the neat options and "ease of life" features which comes with TuanHA.

Nice, can you tell me what the "neat options, ease of life" features exactly is?

I've had TuanHA routines, paid, since his first update and have resulting received all the additional updates/CRs he has made.
Support wise with TuanHA it is all about how you contact him and the logs attached. He cannot do anything with a basic question if there isn't viable feedback to validate the claim.

As for the OP question on which is better? Generally, CRs that are focused specifically on a single class/spec will out-preform bundled CR development (like Oracle/TuanHA and even Gladiator in some respects).

• Resto/Balance druid - Leaves & Stars owns everything plus Mirabis's support is daily and on a personal level; HazzDruid is a close second with Balance and his Feral/Guardian CR is beastly. TuanHA's kitty is also pretty nasty in arena.
• TuanHA rapes with a Holy Paladin, but KingWOW is also damn, damn good with it.
• KingWOW is ungodly with a disc priest and will push numbers more than you thought you were even possible to achieve.
• Millz rapes with a Mage/Shadow Priest/Warlock routines and his support is spot on the letter.
• I haven't had much luck with Necrophilia, as it doesn't do what I expected it to always and can be wishy washy. Spec wise, respectively, GladSuite is boss with Unholy/Frost. Pasterke's Blood DK routine destroys everything else out there; while CoRo's frost is nasty in arena. TuanHA's Unholy is hella good too.
• TuanHA is baller with Monk / Hunter; though Gladiator is also pretty beast with Hunter.
• I've only played with TuanHA's warrior briefly ... however I have used Glad a good amount and it will do things with a warrior that just make you look at your screen and say "damn". I haven't used FuryUnreleased PvE so I dunno.

Nice answer there mate. I can understand you have tried almost everything. I assume that you are talking about Paid versions on everything and PvP wise, since Gladiator Suite isn't for PvE?

HazzDruid [Premium Edition] has all the routine in one package, right? And does it beat KittyDru for PvP? You know that?

Or, even better, can you tell me from your perspective which routine I should use for PvE and which I should use for PvP with the classes?

 

[mellome]

A few of them, some of the DK routines, aren't paid ... though Pasterke 's routine SHOULD be paid for; I'd buy that guy a hamburger daily with the beastly shit that CR can do.
I've been around for awhile ... and in my time I've learned that the best things in life may be free, but the best things in HB should be paid for. A good profile/CR/botbase takes time, effort, commitment and insomnia... a donation here and there assists with easing the burden and weight that the community places on the shoulders of any dev silly enough to take up the banner.

TuanHA's free versions work very well on a few classes; Hunter is pretty steller and Monk will wet your appetite to want to take the "paid for" plunge.
Honestly, I'd suggest taking trials where they are offered and after that? Once the CR does its magic, open up the logfile (HB Folder/Logs/Toon - Realm/) and read what it does in each situation. Then? Emulate. Being beastly at a class is one thing, being beastly at the class when HB is offline is another. It is often difficult to explain to your RL or RBGL why you have to go on hiatus immediately after a patch/hotfix is released.

I've used Glad for PVE regardless on what it is made for; it just takes a little tweaking of the UI ... likewise, TuanHA tends to lean more toward PvP than that of PvE and all the difference can be made by tweaking the GUI with your Toon's talents. I don't know if I'd "donate" for TuanHA's routines now that the "price" has gone up for the bundle ... but is it worth it? For what you're getting overall, yes.
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HazzDruid is an "all in one" type of deal, though if memory serves me correctly he originally started with just a feral (kitty) routine. He took a brief hiatus, and I was sad, then Mirabis came along.
You'd have to narrow down your question a little bit; it is fairly broad.

 

[Nopejpg]

It all comes down to what you want to spend.
You want PVE routine for everyone? Buy YRB2.
You want to PVP ONLY on a specific class? Buy a GladSuite routine.
You want to PVP and PVE on a specific class? Buy a TuanHA routine.
You want to have the best of both worlds (PVP and PVE) and all specs? Get ready to spend some money.

(Exceptions exist for classes such as Rogue etc, as mentioned above by mellome)

This is all just my personal opinion though.

 

[FEUP]

Does which routine? We've discussed many titles ... you kind of need to narrow down the question.

Well does anyone got a good rank with a routine i mean top 50 minimum so in like Butcher ?
Any DPS class doesn't matter which one.

 

[meth0d]

A few of them, some of the DK routines, aren't paid ... though Pasterke 's routine SHOULD be paid for; I'd buy that guy a hamburger daily with the beastly shit that CR can do.
I've been around for awhile ... and in my time I've learned that the best things in life may be free, but the best things in HB should be paid for. A good profile/CR/botbase takes time, effort, commitment and insomnia... a donation here and there assists with easing the burden and weight that the community places on the shoulders of any dev silly enough to take up the banner.

TuanHA's free versions work very well on a few classes; Hunter is pretty steller and Monk will wet your appetite to want to take the "paid for" plunge.
Honestly, I'd suggest taking trials where they are offered and after that? Once the CR does its magic, open up the logfile (HB Folder/Logs/Toon - Realm/) and read what it does in each situation. Then? Emulate. Being beastly at a class is one thing, being beastly at the class when HB is offline is another. It is often difficult to explain to your RL or RBGL why you have to go on hiatus immediately after a patch/hotfix is released.

I've used Glad for PVE regardless on what it is made for; it just takes a little tweaking of the UI ... likewise, TuanHA tends to lean more toward PvP than that of PvE and all the difference can be made by tweaking the GUI with your Toon's talents. I don't know if I'd "donate" for TuanHA's routines now that the "price" has gone up for the bundle ... but is it worth it? For what you're getting overall, yes.
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HazzDruid is an "all in one" type of deal, though if memory serves me correctly he originally started with just a feral (kitty) routine. He took a brief hiatus, and I was sad, then Mirabis came along.
You'd have to narrow down your question a little bit; it is fairly broad.

Thanks for your answer, it really helps. I will try to test all the TuanHA Free out and see if I like them. But as what I can understand, the TuanHA Free version doesn't support Arena, so that has to come up to a 50/50 if I decide to buy it, if I like it or not since I can't test it out. Tho I am really sad to see there isn't no Gladiator Suite for WW Monk. So maybe TuanHA Paid is my only options there for WW Monk Arena?

There isn't no Gladiator Suite for Rogue as well, but I've heard that Vitalic should be "the one and only" Rogue Routine out there for PvP? Right?

Something I don't understand 100%. You are saying that Glad Suite for DK "is boss" with Unholy/Frost = That is for PvP I guess?
You also say that CoRo's Frost is nasty in Arena, but when I read at CoRo's site it says "CoRo-Frost is a PvE oriented routine structured around the Co-Routine styled Combat Routine development method." Maybe the changed it? Link: https://www.thebuddyforum.com/honor...ost-combat-coroutine-frost-death-knights.html

As for Pasterke's Blood routine, is this the one your are talking about? https://www.thebuddyforum.com/honor...eath-knight/164704-blood-dk-tank-edition.html

I'll try to narrow down my question for the Druid part; What is the best routine - your opinion - for Feral Arena PvP?

It all comes down to what you want to spend.
You want PVE routine for everyone? Buy YRB2.
You want to PVP ONLY on a specific class? Buy a GladSuite routine.
You want to PVP and PVE on a specific class? Buy a TuanHA routine.
You want to have the best of both worlds (PVP and PVE) and all specs? Get ready to spend some money.

(Exceptions exist for classes such as Rogue etc, as mentioned above by mellome)

This is all just my personal opinion though.

I get your point. Nice guideline there. And YRB2 is worth the money and performs okay in raids I guess?

But if I want to PvE on one specific class, like Warrior, would FuryUnreleased be better for me than YRB2?


Last but not least: If I play a Mage for PvE and some PvP, should I then buy YRB2 or some specific Mage PVE Routine? I have heard good things about "Portal Premium" but dunno if it's good.

 

[langers]

Paid version doesn't get many updates either.

Someone gave TuanHa a better Fury routine like a week ago. He said he would implement it but still nothing.

What you talking about Willis.......The monk routine has had 4 updates in the past 10 days, the rogue and hunter version 2 in the past 10 days to name a few....... just because he doesn't update your, one specific routine doesn't mean support is shit.

 

[mcwhat]

What you talking about Willis.......The monk routine has had 4 updates in the past 10 days, the rogue and hunter version 2 in the past 10 days to name a few....... just because he doesn't update your, one specific routine doesn't mean support is shit.

If you were a resto shaman trying to run tuanhas paid routine you were likely wiping your raid on bracken spore because you couldn't turn off mushroom healing. THat routine was broken/underperforming for almost a month while Druid was getting 3 updates a day. I've been using his paid routines for quite a while, but after the last month of being ignored as resto shaman I cant in good conscious recommend his paid profiles anymore.

 

[langers]

If you were a resto shaman trying to run tuanhas paid routine you were likely wiping your raid on bracken spore because you couldn't turn off mushroom healing. THat routine was broken/underperforming for almost a month while Druid was getting 3 updates a day. I've been using his paid routines for quite a while, but after the last month of being ignored as resto shaman I cant in good conscious recommend his paid profiles anymore.

To be fair to you...I don't really play shaman, I guess it makes it worse for you then if the other routines around that get updated

 

[WSFrazier]

If you were a resto shaman trying to run tuanhas paid routine you were likely wiping your raid on bracken spore because you couldn't turn off mushroom healing. THat routine was broken/underperforming for almost a month while Druid was getting 3 updates a day. I've been using his paid routines for quite a while, but after the last month of being ignored as resto shaman I cant in good conscious recommend his paid profiles anymore.

Amen.

His resto shaman was the main CR I used, and it is now the most ignored spec/routine he has by far. Hasn't been good since expansion release.

I want to buy his warrior/druid all-inclusive packages, but I just won't give him anymore money over the Shaman stuff. Especially since his Druid and other classes get updates few times a week.

Off topic, I am rolling a resto druid. Is Leaves really the best CR for healing raid and arena? I read that some people preferred tuanha's druid over leaves, which makes me sad.

 

[Gigofar]

I'm just bumping this post coz i will probably purchase some warrior routines for both spec.
I'm just looking for something performing well and i don't want it to underperform and dps less than me (i'm decent dude doing nice performance). I'm loking for this coz i'm getting lazy smashing my keybord all night long :s

I already read the others posts, but i can't decide myself, should i buy Tuan's or get FuryII and Gladiator ?

Thx for you help and if you have bith and can compare it would be nice.

Sorry for my bad english.

 

[mcwhat]

I'm just bumping this post coz i will probably purchase some warrior routines for both spec.
I'm just looking for something performing well and i don't want it to underperform and dps less than me (i'm decent dude doing nice performance). I'm loking for this coz i'm getting lazy smashing my keybord all night long :s

I already read the others posts, but i can't decide myself, should i buy Tuan's or get FuryII and Gladiator ?

Thx for you help and if you have bith and can compare it would be nice.

Sorry for my bad english.

I have the paid Tuanha and FuryII. The Tuanha routine has the most overall features. I use it for pretty much everything but raid dps because the presets are easy to use, but for raid DPS I prefer the FuryII interface because there's less superfluous stuff in it. Just my 2 cents.

 

[meth0d]

If people could stop their Off-topic talk and stick to the topic that would be sweet.

I will ask again, if someone who can answer this;

If I play Mage and WW Monk;

How is TuanHA Free for PvE for Monks? Mellome said it was pretty decent, so I want to give it a try.
If I want to PvP with WW Monk, is TuanHA Paid the only Arena routine out there then, since Glad Suite doesn't have WW Monk?

If I play Mage;
There is no Free TuanHA for Mage, so should I then buy YRB2 or some specific Mage PVE Routine? I have heard good things about "Portal Premium" but dunno if it's good.

And since Glad Suite offers a Mage Routine for Arena, I'll consider that for PvP, if Portal Premium fails there.

Thanks for helping me out.

 

[Zardoz1]

Does this routines can compete for top 10 warcraftlogs ranks in any way ?
What's the max a routine can archieve in terms of dps/hps atm ?

Well I was below 40 US/West last year with Millz and I wasnt a damn Troll Mage. You won´t get this low numbers with Frostbomb today (singletarget)
Roughly I would say you dont have to explain yourself in a Guild which ranks 100+ US/West, with a good routine, nice settings and the need to know what to do by hand.

 

[Nopejpg]

Don't be lazy, just try either the trials or buy the routine. No big deal.

 

[mnime]

I've Tried YRB2 Premium and TuanHA Free for WW Monk many times.
on single target dummy, tuanha free does way better, atleast 1k, 1.5k better dps with the same talents, gear and stuff. And when it comes to real bosses, I did an incredible job in Twin mythic with tuanha free, I just had to use some of my defensive cooldowns and ofcourse cast spirit once at the start on Phemos and then started single rotation on Pol, since it's the free version and it doesn't have these options available. In AoE situations, since SEF didn't come with the free version of tuanha, it's either lose of dps or you have to cast SEF yourself which will slow you down lil bit. YRB2 does better cause it uses SEF very good but still doing a little lower single target dps. So Overall if you buy tuanha premium you will get way more dps. I'm thinking of beating some records on warcraft logs with TuanHA premium. 29k dps on Mythic Twin Ogron with 656 ilvl. It's a miracle.
The support is also perfect for both, you just need to know how to provide your suggestion in a correct way.
There are some fixes coming for YRB2 for ww monks, but it's too late right now, cause 6 is almost over and with this rate of fix speed for YRB2 I can't really rely on it for 6.1

 

[meth0d]

Aha, so with 6.1 incoming, you think that it will take ages for YRB2 to be up-to-date again? Damn.

But it sounds good. I'm gonna test it today.

How about the Mage thing? I am thinking about going either Mage or WW Monk for PvE, but I don't know which class will bring most to the table, incl. dps ofc. But I need the class the benefits most to the raids.
I've also heard a lot of good things of Portal Premium for both PvE and Arena for Mages, so that wakes my interrest as well.

 

[blablub]

Amen.

His resto shaman was the main CR I used, and it is now the most ignored spec/routine he has by far. Hasn't been good since expansion release.

I want to buy his warrior/druid all-inclusive packages, but I just won't give him anymore money over the Shaman stuff. Especially since his Druid and other classes get updates few times a week.

Off topic, I am rolling a resto druid. Is Leaves really the best CR for healing raid and arena? I read that some people preferred tuanha's druid over leaves, which makes me sad.

not sure if it was gear depends or some talents where wrong, but with orcale II and leaves i was pretty fast oom and i had much less problems with tuans, but also my mop geared shaman cleared pg gold without a problem.
but since i didn´t tryed different talents + different settings for each setup and just switched routines i won´t really say xy was better if you know what i mean.