This banwave is something different

[phazeshifta123]

This is called consumer law in Europe, mate.

No matter how me or you understand the situation, the law works in its boundaries, which only experienced lawyers truly understand. But whatever.

I am just sharing old cases from the records, which have actually happen.

Can you actually provide some evidence of these cases...you know, since they're on record? Or are you just going off Bossland's word? Since that's so trustworthy.

And consumer law says the bot can no longer be sold or ran from Germany, so again, moot point.

 

[Aion]

Can you actually provide some evidence of these cases...you know, since they're on record? Or are you just going off Bossland's word? Since that's so trustworthy.

And consumer law says the bot can no longer be sold or ran from Germany, so again, moot point.

On his words. He have no reasons to not say the truth, and it was commented before the 6-months-suspension "fashion" by Blizzard, aka in 2014 or so.

I am not Germany based myself, so cannot speak this from first hand too.

 

[Pralen]

On his words. He have no reasons to not say the truth, and it was commented before the 6-months-suspension "fashion" by Blizzard, aka in 2014 or so.

I am not Germany based myself, so cannot speak this from first hand too.

Unbanning services has alot of success stories i guess, fould alot on google alone

But anywho, its not what i'm talking about. It's ileagal to save raw data for companies *Data Protection Act*
There are just a few businesses that can dodge this laws and that goverment and goverment banks (banks generaly) and blizzard keeping personal information on how you use your account for over a month would be against EU laws.

 

[Aion]

Unbanning services has alot of success stories i guess, fould alot on google alone

But anywho, its not what i'm talking about. It's ileagal to save raw data for companies *Data Protection Act*
There are just a few businesses that can dodge this laws and that goverment and goverment banks (banks generaly) and blizzard keeping personal information on how you use your account for over a month would be against EU laws.

From my understandings, here the unbans took place.

Because they cannot share information, accusing them in illegal actions, they are lifting the bans. But this seems to happen usually in/in front of court, not with single appeal email :/

But this do not means, that they would not ban the account in the next week too, I suppose.

From the past experience, I can see, that Blizzard never ever cared for their customer base. Yes, they have hired very talented game designers .. and thats all of their contribution. Neither their customer support or games approach make any sense.

 

[Pralen]

From my understandings, here the unbans took place.

Because they cannot share information, accusing them in illegal actions, they are lifting the bans. But this seems to happen usually in/in front of court, not with single appeal email :/

But this do not means, that they would not ban the account in the next week too, I suppose.

From the past experience, I can see, that Blizzard never ever cared for their customer base. Yes, they have hired very talented game designers .. and thats all of their contribution. Neither their customer support or games approach make any sense.

i understand what you are saying, my GM chat he spilled out somthing that i havent seen since glider, the mentioned source, now thats usualy somthing you say if you have a rat.
I told him and he confirmed that one of the banned accounts had not been online for 37 days, thats over one month, and if he ment that the source was stored personal data from earlier detections its ageinst EU law, since Blizzard is in france that means they are breaking EU laws. I dont think Blizzard would risk that, because thats alot of money out the window if anyone where too file a lawsuit.

But if someone else is storing this information.... say Bossland, and giving it too Blizzard on a court order it's not ageinst the law.. this is why im getting chills down my spine... the not knowing, and i know from the Glider court case, Glider told the community that Blizzard wanted their user database..

 

[Anarki]

These "unbanning services" are threatening Blizzard with court. For a company to appear in front of a court, it's much more expensive than just giving in and unbanning.

In Sweden we have this government owned company you can report to when you feel that a private company has mistreated you. It's free and I've used it quite a few times to win battles. The last time actually I didn't even have to do much. My ISP didn't want to give me internet connection for their mistake, so I contacted that government company and explained everything. They didn't even bring my ISP to court, they just contacted them about the whole issue. The result? My ISP company called me and not only gave me what I wanted, but let me have completely free internet connection for 3 months.

Getting unbanned in WoW is probably going through the same situation, just with a good lie. You and your account are just not worth the trouble in Blizzard's eyes

 

[pops12]

i understand what you are saying, my GM chat he spilled out somthing that i havent seen since glider, the mentioned source, now thats usualy somthing you say if you have a rat.
I told him and he confirmed that one of the banned accounts had not been online for 37 days, thats over one month, and if he ment that the source was stored personal data from earlier detections its ageinst EU law, since Blizzard is in france that means they are breaking EU laws. I dont think Blizzard would risk that, because thats alot of money out the window if anyone where too file a lawsuit.

But if someone else is storing this information.... say Bossland, and giving it too Blizzard on a court order it's not ageinst the law.. this is why im getting chills down my spine... the not knowing, and i know from the Glider court case, Glider told the community that Blizzard wanted their user database..

Why do they need personal information to ban your account? All they do is keep logs of what that account did, just like when they restore hacked accounts and stuff. They keep logs including whatever the anti cheat saw then ban based on that. There is nothing really personal about you there. Do you want them to delete your account when you don't use it for 30days? LOL

 

[Pralen]

Why do they need personal information to ban your account? All they do is keep logs of what that account did, just like when they restore hacked accounts and stuff. They keep logs including whatever the anti cheat saw then ban based on that. There is nothing really personal about you there. Do you want them to delete your account when you don't use it for 30days? LOL

What you do on your account is personal information (if you use gnomesequencer, if you do TSM AH farming, even running 3.part cheats are personal information bound to you and your account.... information tied too you and you only...
Anyway you want to twist it, its still ileagal in the EU.

Why would they delete my account after 30 days? Do you even know what we are talking about? PS: deleting my account wich i pay for is also ileagal unless i violate their eula, but every information/evidence has it's age limit, data like logs etc are deleted in the EU after 1-2 weeks due too law! so LOL all you want, you just come off as a little bratt with zero knowlage.

 

[pops12]

What you do on your account is personal information (if you use gnomesequencer, if you do TSM AH farming, even running 3.part cheats are personal information bound to you and your account.... information tied too you and you only...
Anyway you want to twist it, its still ileagal in the EU.

Why would they delete my account after 30 days? Do you even know what we are talking about? PS: deleting my account wich i pay for is also ileagal unless i violate their eula, but every information/evidence has it's age limit, data like logs etc are deleted in the EU after 1-2 weeks due too law! so LOL all you want, you just come off as a little bratt with zero knowlage.

I legit can't tell if this is a troll. I can tell you're really upset about being banned though. You should sue them, but wait 30 days that way all evidence will be deleted since its illegal to keep right?!

 

[Pralen]

I legit can't tell if this is a troll. I can tell you're really upset about being banned though. You should sue them, but wait 30 days that way all evidence will be deleted since its illegal to keep right?!

Not a troll, we are just having a mature discussion on the ban, i'm not mad at all for loosing two accounts, i have several other accounts to play on including my main account. Just read through my posts and i cannot se any signs of agressive behavior, we are only trying to determen what Blizzard are banning people for, since alot of people has been banned for botting that dates back to November, it's wierd that poeple with gametime expired in desember wakes up to beeing banned isnt it?

And people with some knowlage on what leagal and not leagal when it comes to storing data is trolling? Grow up, in a digital world you need some knowlage on whats right and wrong for the users and for the companies.
You know your human rights i would assume ? Well on a computer connected to the internet you should know that there are ileagal things there as well and no matter how big a company is the law is the law.

I will not sue them because i realy don't care, they have done nothing wrong in my eyes, im a botter, i got caught... My question is if there is a leak inside Bossland's team that gives away users making Blizzard clean on the "storing personal data over time* because someone else is storing them and giving it to Blizzard as new information. Data Protection Authority is making these laws. might wanna read up so you too know your rights...

 

[qztr]

Not a troll, we are just having a mature discussion on the ban, i'm not mad at all for loosing two accounts, i have several other accounts to play on including my main account. Just read through my posts and i cannot se any signs of agressive behavior, we are only trying to determen what Blizzard are banning people for, since alot of people has been banned for botting that dates back to November, it's wierd that poeple with gametime expired in desember wakes up to beeing banned isnt it?

And people with some knowlage on what leagal and not leagal when it comes to storing data is trolling? Grow up, in a digital world you need some knowlage on whats right and wrong for the users and for the companies.
You know your human rights i would assume ? Well on a computer connected to the internet you should know that there are ileagal things there as well and no matter how big a company is the law is the law.

I will not sue them because i realy don't care, they have done nothing wrong in my eyes, im a botter, i got caught... My question is if there is a leak inside Bossland's team that gives away users making Blizzard clean on the "storing personal data over time* because someone else is storing them and giving it to Blizzard as new information. Data Protection Authority is making these laws. might wanna read up so you too know your rights...

You are aware of the fact that Blizzard can ban you, even if you don't violate their ToS/EULA, right?
Read the ToS, they reserve the right to suspend your account if they want to.

 

[Zepio]

You are aware of the fact that Blizzard can ban you, even if you don't violate their ToS/EULA, right?
Read the ToS, they reserve the right to suspend your account if they want to.

Ofc they can since the account you are playing on isn't actually yours. You are only borrowing it from Blizzard.

 

[Pralen]

You are aware of the fact that Blizzard can ban you, even if you don't violate their ToS/EULA, right?
Read the ToS, they reserve the right to suspend your account if they want to.

I have read it and i know their rights. But if you read the whole discussion it's a conversation with a GM where he said it was banned due to 3.part, and that the evidence was due to loging behavior and this is logged on an account that has not been online for 37 days.. So it's not about EULA or Blizzards right to ban people, they can do what ever they please to do, but the discussion at hand is about a GM admitting to storing personaldata over 37 month wich is a crime in the EU, Blizzard policy does not go above the law...

I pointed out that i have botted and i don't care about them finding out, well played Blizzard... But if it's done ileagaly they are as guilty as me.

 

[Zepio]

I have read it and i know their rights. But if you read the whole discussion it's a conversation with a GM where he said it was banned due to 3.part, and that the evidence was due to loging behavior and this is logged on an account that has not been online for 37 days.. So it's not about EULA or Blizzards right to ban people, they can do what ever they please to do, but the discussion at hand is about a GM admitting to storing personaldata over 37 month wich is a crime in the EU, Blizzard policy does not go above the law...

I pointed out that i have botted and i don't care about them finding out, well played Blizzard... But if it's done ileagaly they are as guilty as me.

Even if they did collect data illegally, who would take action against them and prove they have done something wrong? If someone working on Blizzard were to speak up on how they collected information about people botting and using hacks then yeah, we would know for sure how they did it. But it's hard for us on the outside to know how they do it, and almost impossible to prove it.

 

[gippy]

They 100% delete the logs about your ban after a certain period, no idea what it is though. I know this because during mop there was a way to get your perma banned accounts unbanned. I did it to get my account back that was perma banned in the luaninja banwave, also my account that was perma banned in the pirox archeology banwave.

Sad thing is they fixed it when they changed their bnet system going into wod, which was unfortunate because i lost my main again in the pqr banwave

 

[daidza]

Ok here are the latest info. This ban has nothing to do with data collecting at least for me.

The account is old vanilla account always played by the hand and NEVER involved in botting, it was played by my son who was so afraid of being banned that he didn't even wanted to go arena with me we never shared token/gold/mats. Account was never logged on the computer that had HB on. The only thing that links it to botting is that we use same router to connect to internet and we're on the same battle.net account. Weirdest thing is that they didn't touched some of other wow accounts we have on same battle.net which weren't logged since before before legion came out.

Anyway I appealed and they get bended me with same copy/paste answers they did when I was botting.
"Following a review of your case, we can confirm that the evidence presented was correct and that the subsequent action taken was appropriate. Our decision in this matter stands and will not be overturned. For privacy and security reasons, it is our policy never to reveal details regarding account investigations beyond those which are provided in the original notice mail."

So completely made up evidence or their detection system is somehow flawed, banned at random. Not sure what gives them right to do that. I really feel completely helpless here and I don't think that I'm the only one here. My best guess is that they analyse traffic that goes from my router to their servers and they are not able to distinguish which account is botting and which is not. Why they waited for 2 more days to ban his account instead of banning all of them at the same time? Simplest answer would be that they were waiting for his monthly fee to process which was on 03. feb.

Not gonna do chargebacks since I guess they can now do what the hell they want and apparently overturn this to permaban and I don't want for my son to lose his account for good (august is not that far away).

I'm so mad at blizzard I don't want to ever give them a single dime. For Bossland I have nothing but respect you guys kept us alive for so long, you're fighting Golliath for years now and you're still here. The least I can do is cheer for you and wish for you to hurt them as much as you can and as long as you can.

Following Godwin's law my last words here: blizzard now acts as nazi gestapo (no rules, no evidence, they don't like you they ban you). After 7-8 years of hardcore raiding then and a lot of fun since i discovered honorbuddy I'm done with WOW. Game is not worth playing without bot anymore.

So long all thanks for all the fish.

 

[Demondog70]

I would think your own recourse is to dispute the ccard charge if you did that to Blizz. At least maybe you can get your money back.

 

[Aion]

Ok here are the latest info. This ban has nothing to do with data collecting at least for me.

The account is old vanilla account always played by the hand and NEVER involved in botting, it was played by my son who was so afraid of being banned that he didn't even wanted to go arena with me we never shared token/gold/mats. Account was never logged on the computer that had HB on. The only thing that links it to botting is that we use same router to connect to internet and we're on the same battle.net account. Weirdest thing is that they didn't touched some of other wow accounts we have on same battle.net which weren't logged since before before legion came out.

Anyway I appealed and they get bended me with same copy/paste answers they did when I was botting.
"Following a review of your case, we can confirm that the evidence presented was correct and that the subsequent action taken was appropriate. Our decision in this matter stands and will not be overturned. For privacy and security reasons, it is our policy never to reveal details regarding account investigations beyond those which are provided in the original notice mail."

So completely made up evidence or their detection system is somehow flawed, banned at random. Not sure what gives them right to do that. I really feel completely helpless here and I don't think that I'm the only one here. My best guess is that they analyse traffic that goes from my router to their servers and they are not able to distinguish which account is botting and which is not. Why they waited for 2 more days to ban his account instead of banning all of them at the same time? Simplest answer would be that they were waiting for his monthly fee to process which was on 03. feb.

Not gonna do chargebacks since I guess they can now do what the hell they want and apparently overturn this to permaban and I don't want for my son to lose his account for good (august is not that far away).

I'm so mad at blizzard I don't want to ever give them a single dime. For Bossland I have nothing but respect you guys kept us alive for so long, you're fighting Golliath for years now and you're still here. The least I can do is cheer for you and wish for you to hurt them as much as you can and as long as you can.

Following Godwin's law my last words here: blizzard now acts as nazi gestapo (no rules, no evidence, they don't like you they ban you). After 7-8 years of hardcore raiding then and a lot of fun since i discovered honorbuddy I'm done with WOW. Game is not worth playing without bot anymore.

So long all thanks for all the fish.

No idea in what kind of country you live in, but I am sure, if I had now account, valuable enough (like you have the one, played legit from your son), I would process this to the local authorities or would spend few bucks on legal representative, who would request this information from Blizzard the proper way.

Because in my eyes, your son's happiness is much more valuable!

 

[Demondog70]

No idea in what kind of country you live in, but I am sure, if I had now account, valuable enough (like you have the one, played legit from your son), I would process this to the local authorities or would spend few bucks on legal representative, who would request this information from Blizzard the proper way.

Because in my eyes, your son's happiness is much more valuable!

This may go nowhere honestly because they always suspect we are lying.

I would personally call them and ask for a superior and go as far up as you can. If the account was TRUTHFULLY UNBOTTED then it goes against previous statements by them that I have seen in that they ban an account not the user and this account as you said never used the bot.

I would explain the situation to them being honest and hope that works. Say that Yes you botted and you take your ban there but this is the account of a 7 year old. Explain you did it because you yourself had very little time to actually play the game and did so only to enjoy end game content but the child did nothing wrong except be your son. A review of the game chats and patterns should dictate that he did not bot at any time. He merely shares the same battlenet account.

And see if that works. You might even have to provide pictures and identification of your child.

I have been lucky to be honest. I have lost botting accounts but managed to insulate my mains away from my bots. I don't gold sell, anymore that is, but only casual farm, mount farm those sorts of things. I created totally separate battlenet accounts for bots and mains. The only connection I have is thru 3rd and 4th parties connected thru a myriad of guilds that has so far allowed me to get gold to my main without any connection being made.

 

[Aion]

This may go nowhere honestly because they always suspect we are lying.

I would personally call them and ask for a superior and go as far up as you can. If the account was TRUTHFULLY UNBOTTED then it goes against previous statements by them that I have seen in that they ban an account not the user and this account as you said never used the bot.

I would explain the situation to them being honest and hope that works. Say that Yes you botted and you take your ban there but this is the account of a 7 year old. Explain you did it because you yourself had very little time to actually play the game and did so only to enjoy end game content but the child did nothing wrong except be your son. A review of the game chats and patterns should dictate that he did not bot at any time. He merely shares the same battlenet account.

And see if that works. You might even have to provide pictures and identification of your child.

I have been lucky to be honest. I have lost botting accounts but managed to insulate my mains away from my bots. I don't gold sell, anymore that is, but only casual farm, mount farm those sorts of things. I created totally separate battlenet accounts for bots and mains. The only connection I have is thru 3rd and 4th parties connected thru a myriad of guilds that has so far allowed me to get gold to my main without any connection being made.

Tried this myself, when received Abuse of Economy in the past for nothing (in my eyes)

The senior GMs were even more arrogant that junior ones, simply because they could afford it!

I even moarned on several of their emails, including [email protected], not like it make any difference.

The first 2-3 times they pretended that they "check or investigate" something, then not even bothered writing this.

The point is that when we send tickets or emails to GMs/Senior GMs, we do not leave the circle of their Customer Support department, and they obviously do not care for the customers or they cannot separate the botting with non-botting licenses and always pick the more offensive side, when questioned in such scenario.

For such actions, the only way out could be by contacting their official channels.