Hi all,
I've been using HB for the last couple of days and I have suspicion that Click-to-Move and the need to have windowed game client is the one that gives us away that we're using HB.
Why do I say click to move? Because when I'm playing by hand, I can't actually use click to move to a specific point on the screen, I have to use my keyboard to move and if I want to move with my mouse, I have to hold down both left and right button. The tutorial mentioned using keyboard as well.
This makes detection or at least narrowing down process easier for Blizz, combined this with pattern analysis once detected making the whole thing not as difficult as I once thought. They might have already patched the client to flag/report back to base when character running on windowed session and using the click to move - this should be relatively easy to do and there's no need for any invasive monitoring like what happened in the past with warden.
This reinforce the comments from other posters saying that getting banned is not about "if I get banned" but "when". It's like playing Russian roulette with rerolling the chamber everytime you want to pull the trigger, is it possible to last a life time without getting your head blown off? Sure! Low probability but it's possible but the more you pull the trigger, the more chances that you'll get the bullet.
The most interesting question is this, why not just block click to move and be done with it? The theory is, it's a old code dated way back to vanilla days or even during dev phase. Another possibility is Blizz use that too to script their events, etc either of those means that it's hard to remove it without major changes to the client and breaking everything.
Another theory is that Blizz is actually tolerating the botting - bot or human it's still money to them. This I think is what's happening now, that Blizz is actually somewhat tolerating the bots as long as they're not causing grief to other players. They have to act on reports from other players or else they will leave the game and never come back due to loss of confidence.
This aligns with comments from a few people who are botting 24/7 for weeks or months on end and not get caught whereas someone else will get caught within few hours playing.
So in it current form I think botting is not safe - how unsafe? I don't know, I can't quantify it but the more you do it, the more likely that you'll get caught - there's always a bullet in one of those chambers. However, you can reduce the odds of getting caught by not giving griefs to other players. For example, don't do BGs or any kind of PvP (duels, etc), don't ninja loot, don't ninja skin, don't ninja herb/ore nodes. In short, stop making it obvious to other players. to be even more safe, avoid other players all together. I also read somewhere that using LUA in a certain way in profiles increases chances for Bliz to detect the presence of bot - I don't have the details and since I haven't gone into profile writing yet, I'm not sure how true this is but maybe we should be aware about it, take precaution and strive to code profile in safe manners.
How about solution? The long term solution is for devs to evolve HB from click to move into something more human like (keyboard?) and the ability to use full screen (I'm sure most people play full screen when playing by hand). Short term? Stay under the radar as much as possible and bot safely - remember that there's a bullet in the chambers. When we get to that stage then I think HB will be on a safer ground.
Just my 2 cents.
Cheers..
JG
I've been using HB for the last couple of days and I have suspicion that Click-to-Move and the need to have windowed game client is the one that gives us away that we're using HB.
Why do I say click to move? Because when I'm playing by hand, I can't actually use click to move to a specific point on the screen, I have to use my keyboard to move and if I want to move with my mouse, I have to hold down both left and right button. The tutorial mentioned using keyboard as well.
This makes detection or at least narrowing down process easier for Blizz, combined this with pattern analysis once detected making the whole thing not as difficult as I once thought. They might have already patched the client to flag/report back to base when character running on windowed session and using the click to move - this should be relatively easy to do and there's no need for any invasive monitoring like what happened in the past with warden.
This reinforce the comments from other posters saying that getting banned is not about "if I get banned" but "when". It's like playing Russian roulette with rerolling the chamber everytime you want to pull the trigger, is it possible to last a life time without getting your head blown off? Sure! Low probability but it's possible but the more you pull the trigger, the more chances that you'll get the bullet.
The most interesting question is this, why not just block click to move and be done with it? The theory is, it's a old code dated way back to vanilla days or even during dev phase. Another possibility is Blizz use that too to script their events, etc either of those means that it's hard to remove it without major changes to the client and breaking everything.
Another theory is that Blizz is actually tolerating the botting - bot or human it's still money to them. This I think is what's happening now, that Blizz is actually somewhat tolerating the bots as long as they're not causing grief to other players. They have to act on reports from other players or else they will leave the game and never come back due to loss of confidence.
This aligns with comments from a few people who are botting 24/7 for weeks or months on end and not get caught whereas someone else will get caught within few hours playing.
So in it current form I think botting is not safe - how unsafe? I don't know, I can't quantify it but the more you do it, the more likely that you'll get caught - there's always a bullet in one of those chambers. However, you can reduce the odds of getting caught by not giving griefs to other players. For example, don't do BGs or any kind of PvP (duels, etc), don't ninja loot, don't ninja skin, don't ninja herb/ore nodes. In short, stop making it obvious to other players. to be even more safe, avoid other players all together. I also read somewhere that using LUA in a certain way in profiles increases chances for Bliz to detect the presence of bot - I don't have the details and since I haven't gone into profile writing yet, I'm not sure how true this is but maybe we should be aware about it, take precaution and strive to code profile in safe manners.
How about solution? The long term solution is for devs to evolve HB from click to move into something more human like (keyboard?) and the ability to use full screen (I'm sure most people play full screen when playing by hand). Short term? Stay under the radar as much as possible and bot safely - remember that there's a bullet in the chambers. When we get to that stage then I think HB will be on a safer ground.
Just my 2 cents.
Cheers..
JG
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that makes me feel much better.
