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Superbad (Druid CC)

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znuffie said:
I, ofcourse, DO NOT have Dream of Cenarious. I use Nature's Vigil. Which is why I can't figure out why the fuck does it cast Healing Touch even when it's disabled.

I'm not raging for nothing here :P

And obviously the log doesn't mention anything interesting, which is why I didn't bother posting it, as you can see: https://dl.dropbox.com/u/120650/HB/8848 2013-03-28 05.49.txt
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Well, for starters:
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[03:49:49.930 N] Honorbuddy v2.5.6929.197 started.
[03:49:49.931 Q] This is a BETA build of Honorbuddy. This is not meant for general usage. Please report any issues you may have in the beta thread on our forums.
[03:49:49.931 Q] This build may have bugs, and new features which may not be fully tested. Use at your own risk!
Beta's are reacting unexpected and can not be reliable for bugreporting, especially when there's a newer release available.
But aside that...


You have the Nature's Vigil talent. I emphiasized the important part in the spell's description.
Code: 
Increases all damage and healing done by 10% for 30 sec. 
While active, [SIZE=3][B]all single-target healing spells also damage a nearby enemy target for 25% of the healing done[/B][/SIZE],
and all single-target damage spells and abilities also heal a nearby friendly target for 25% of the damage done.
The Predatory Swiftness is a free proc of the GCD, so a waste not to use it, even if it heals you only for 15K. In combination with NV it damages your enemy's when you are healed hence why it heals even if not selected. Not using the proc is a DPS loss...
 
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gorunn said:
Hello Handnavi,


Its good to see you back :)
I havent played my druid for quite some time and i get back to him since guild needed tank, and i enjoy Guardian's.

Feral part of routine works outstanding, there are few minor issues here and there, mainly with maintaining Rip up, i find older versions better with rip uptime, but its not so big issue, if i see that it will drop, i cast it manually.

Now, i do have issues with guardian spec.
In "autoform" settings it does absolutely nothing.. well, not quite nothing, it casts MoW. In dungeons, "Autoform" tries to go in to cat form, even so im specced as guardian.
In "Manual form" Guardian works far better, i would say quite good, but i did notice that it doesnt use "Maul" at all, instead routine keeps rage pool full for first 10-15s after which it start dumping rage on trash, again not singe one Maul was cast, even when Tooth and Claw buff was up.
As IcyV, Noxxic and EJ's say, guardian should use Maul ONLY when:

you are under the effect of a Tooth and Claw proc;
you are at or very close to maximum Rage;
you do not need to use your active mitigation.

I had Tooth and Claw was up, my rage was capped and i didnt had need for active mitigation as i was smacking target dummy silly. Yet not single Maul was given that day. :)

Log attached:
1st start of bot was with "AutoForm" settings, and i left it in combat for 50-70s waiting anything to be cast - nothing.
2nd start was with Lazyrider and Manual form settings,
3rd start was with Tyrael and Manual form settings.

As you can see, in both cases not single one maul was casted.

in clean install used:

HB .555
Lazyrider/Tyrael,
Superbad rev76
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Thanks for this wonderful bug report! :-)
I will fight my way trough it.
 
gorunn said:
Hello Handnavi,


Its good to see you back :)
I havent played my druid for quite some time and i get back to him since guild needed tank, and i enjoy Guardian's.

Feral part of routine works outstanding, there are few minor issues here and there, mainly with maintaining Rip up, i find older versions better with rip uptime, but its not so big issue, if i see that it will drop, i cast it manually.

Now, i do have issues with guardian spec.
In "autoform" settings it does absolutely nothing.. well, not quite nothing, it casts MoW. In dungeons, "Autoform" tries to go in to cat form, even so im specced as guardian.
In "Manual form" Guardian works far better, i would say quite good, but i did notice that it doesnt use "Maul" at all, instead routine keeps rage pool full for first 10-15s after which it start dumping rage on trash, again not singe one Maul was cast, even when Tooth and Claw buff was up.
As IcyV, Noxxic and EJ's say, guardian should use Maul ONLY when:

you are under the effect of a Tooth and Claw proc;
you are at or very close to maximum Rage;
you do not need to use your active mitigation.

I had Tooth and Claw was up, my rage was capped and i didnt had need for active mitigation as i was smacking target dummy silly. Yet not single Maul was given that day. :)

Log attached:
1st start of bot was with "AutoForm" settings, and i left it in combat for 50-70s waiting anything to be cast - nothing.
2nd start was with Lazyrider and Manual form settings,
3rd start was with Tyrael and Manual form settings.

As you can see, in both cases not single one maul was casted.

in clean install used:

HB .555
Lazyrider/Tyrael,
Superbad rev76
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Soo, i did some stuff to solve your issues.

Regarding rip:
A uptime between ~85-90% is okayish. Even with BiS Gear you will reach an uptime of ~92%-94% under optimal circumstances (no movement - no misses - fully raid buffed).
Savage Roar and Rake instead should stay 98+% uptime.

Regarding guarding:
- Autoform will now by default switch to Cat Form. If the settings met, it will switch to Bear Form.
- I've added Maul. It will cast if all the following criterias met:
  • Our Rage is above 89
  • Frenzied Regeneration would cause atleast 50% overheal
  • Tooth and Claw is up
  • Savage Defense is not up


I've designed the rotations now to fit the following guide:
http://theincbear.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=697&sid=b25a1f4e648c6a18df33a11d2a39ced1
I think thats the best out so far. :-)



@ Everyone else reading
I will add talent builds to the main post the next time i'm around here.
 
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Just noticed that some of the new guardian stuff does not work. Fix incoming until tomorrow. :)
 
How do I update the CS? When I turn HB on it says downloading revision 76 and never downloads....

Also, are druids really squishy at pvp around lvl 80? I keep getting destroyed....

Is there also a setting to auto attack the other faction?

Thanks for all the help!
 
Is there an option to disable the troll racial, I dont want it popping in trash.
 
Keifkeif1 said:
How do I update the CS? When I turn HB on it says downloading revision 76 and never downloads....

Also, are druids really squishy at pvp around lvl 80? I keep getting destroyed....

Is there also a setting to auto attack the other faction?

Thanks for all the help!
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How do I update the CS? When I turn HB on it says downloading revision 76 and never downloads....

Also, are druids really squishy at pvp around lvl 80? I keep getting destroyed....

Is there also a setting to auto attack the other faction?

Thanks for all the help!
 
Keifkeif1 said:
How do I update the CS? When I turn HB on it says downloading revision 76 and never downloads....

Also, are druids really squishy at pvp around lvl 80? I keep getting destroyed....

Is there also a setting to auto attack the other faction?

Thanks for all the help!
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Hm, without a log file i cant say much. Maybe the update process failed....
 
Instead of unzipping the Superbad SVN I moved the files directly into the Druid CS. That is why it didn't update.
 
Hey,

first thx for all you work with this CC.

I have a little question.

This CC is mainly for Raiding and Dungeons ?

Because I have problems with an always dying feral at leveling with questing.

So he only cast healing touch if predator swiftness is up or Nature's swiftness ?

Can you maybe add a option to cast healing touch/rejuvenation at a defined % value in combat?

Because if all cooldowns are gone, or you are low lvl, doesn't have most of them learned and there is no proc he simply drops to 0% and dies because he doesn't cast a heal and is still at 90% mana.

Thx & Greetings

PS: Hab Dir mal 20$ gespendet :)
 
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Kekskruemel said:
Hey,

first thx for all you work with this CC.

I have a little question.

This CC is mainly for Raiding and Dungeons ?

Because I have problems with an always dying feral at leveling with questing.

So he only cast healing touch if predator swiftness is up or Nature's swiftness ?

Can you maybe add a option to cast healing touch/rejuvenation at a defined % value in combat?

Because if all cooldowns are gone, or you are low lvl, doesn't have most of them learned and there is no proc he simply drops to 0% and dies because he doesn't cast a heal and is still at 90% mana.

Thx & Greetings

PS: Hab Dir mal 20$ gespendet :)
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I would use singular and a fresh install for leveling.

I only say this cause I had a problem with CS/ Plug ins and leveling in MoP with Kicks profile.
 
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