Substantial Progress Recovering Lost Funds From Banned Accts

[tbgvtr]

G'morning Los Angeles

 

[Lilbuddy]

Credit Card clearing houses such as Chase or whoever Blizzard uses requires that you show a signature from the client or some form of agreement. If you bought RMAH goods, and Blizzard can't prove you bought them then Blizzard has to refund the money. Of course they can then remove those goods from your character but... you are banned anyway so what do you care?

 

[blista08]

That wont work, the product can be used, how were you playing it to begin with? Why would i thinkt hey can right what ever they want in there own terms of service and get away with it? umm well because they do?

#4- Actually if you decline the TOS you can return the game.


I'm not saying they have provided anyone with proof just that they don't have to really and they could just show the arbitrator/court their proof, i mean you honestly thinking they are just randomly banning people and hoping for bots? shitloads of been banned recently they know how to find out what your doing.

Still a fucking idiot. All of your posts are full of shit.

 

[Dbuddy]

well, it looks like you invested much time in this case...

even i don't understand everything (or my english isn't good enough) i'll maybe give it a try.

To sum it up: IF a Diablo 3 Account has been banned it is possible within a time period to withdraw money from the credit card or paypal-payment and blizzard won't take actions against you?
And it's only possible to get the money back for the game itselve and NOT for items that have been bought via RMAH to equip a (banned) botting account?

in my case:

i payed ~150? for 3 D3 accounts (~ 2 to 5 months old), all with credit card, all banned in december.
i payed ~200? for Equipment (~1 month ago), with paypal (and further credit card), lost on a banned account in december

 

[Bic420]

Still a fucking idiot. All of your posts are full of shit.

Don't be mad cause I'm right.

 

[tbgvtr]

well, it looks like you invested much time in this case...

even i don't understand everything (or my english isn't good enough) i'll maybe give it a try.

To sum it up: IF a Diablo 3 Account has been banned it is possible within a time period to withdraw money from the credit card or paypal-payment and blizzard won't take actions against you?
And it's only possible to get the money back for the game itselve and NOT for items that have been bought via RMAH to equip a (banned) botting account?

in my case:

i payed ~150? for 3 D3 accounts (~ 2 to 5 months old), all with credit card, all banned in december.
i payed ~200? for Equipment (~1 month ago), with paypal (and further credit card), lost on a banned account in december

I will state as clearly as I can. If you paid Blizzard Entertainment Inc. for your D3 accounts, you can recover that money through asking them for a refund. If you spent money on Equipment (within 45 days) you can recover through PayPal. If you bought Equipment (within 90 days) you can recover through credit card company.

Credit Card clearing houses such as Chase or whoever Blizzard uses requires that you show a signature from the client or some form of agreement. If you bought RMAH goods, and Blizzard can't prove you bought them then Blizzard has to refund the money. Of course they can then remove those goods from your character but... you are banned anyway so what do you care?

Indeed.

 

[Dbuddy]

I will state as clearly as I can. If you paid Blizzard Entertainment Inc. for your D3 accounts, you can recover that money through asking them for a refund. If you spent money on Equipment (within 45 days) you can recover through PayPal. If you bought Equipment (within 90 days) you can recover through credit card company.

i only have this posibility in my paylife credit card account (it is a banned item i bought via rmah):

________

R?ckfrage zu Umsatz stellen



Rechnungstext: DIABLO III AUCTION HOU VELIZY VILLAC
Umsatz vom: 22.11.2012
Fremdw?hrung: EUR
Fremdw?hrungsbetrag: -xxxxx
Fremdw?hrungskurs: xxx
Manipulationsentgelt: xxxxx
Buchungsdatum: xxxxx
Gesamtbetrag: xxxxx

Sollten Sie zu dem Umsatz Fragen bzw. Einw?nde haben, so teilen Sie uns dies bitte im nachfolgenden Textfeld mit.


Telefonnummer f?r R?ckfragen(*):

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in english it means that i can ask a question concerning this amount thats all... -.-
how should i teach them that i want a refund? shall i really add my phone?...


Can you prove that your refunds already had success? If i take the risk and claim refund and maybe get in troubles i want at least some proove (screenshot etc.) that it really works

 

[tbgvtr]

I do not know how I would prove without giving away identity compromising details, but in my case I did not seek refund for the $59.99 for the game. I only sought refund for $5000 approximately in RMAH purchases. I have been successful for my client, recovering all purchases back within 90 days. This is less then half, unfortunately, but still substantial, and perhaps more then the account might have been currently valued at. The rest of the refunds have not yet been declined, they are in process, unsure of what the result will be.

 

[mephuser1000]

I do not know how I would prove without giving away identity compromising details, but in my case I did not seek refund for the $59.99 for the game. I only sought refund for $5000 approximately in RMAH purchases. I have been successful for my client, recovering all purchases back within 90 days. This is less then half, unfortunately, but still substantial, and perhaps more then the account might have been currently valued at. The rest of the refunds have not yet been declined, they are in process, unsure of what the result will be.

Sorry, I'm a bit lost in your entire story.

If <50% = $5000, then 100% = >$10000, did you supply all your 10x bots with items bought from the RMAH?

 

[Bic420]

I do not know how I would prove without giving away identity compromising details, but in my case I did not seek refund for the $59.99 for the game. I only sought refund for $5000 approximately in RMAH purchases. I have been successful for my client, recovering all purchases back within 90 days. This is less then half, unfortunately, but still substantial, and perhaps more then the account might have been currently valued at. The rest of the refunds have not yet been declined, they are in process, unsure of what the result will be.

Just blank out the compromising parts? Duh, to bad you can't prove it because it never happend.

 

[tbgvtr]

Just blank out the compromising parts? Duh, to bad you can't prove it because it never happend.

You are seriously fucking retarded, sorry there is no way to blank that out.

What would you suppose I show past what I have? Showing any quote from blizz could be identified by their CS department, showing any document from credit card agency or paypal could be linked directly to the account. The above documentation of the case involving my client displays all I am willing to display about my client or any other party I've led towards fund recovery.

Sorry, I'm a bit lost in your entire story.

If <50% = $5000, then 100% = >$10000, did you supply all your 10x bots with items bought from the RMAH?

no $5000 is the total, I've recovered less than half of $5000 for my client. (I never said I recovered $5000 anywhere, but we are attempting to.) I only ran two bots personally, and neither were the one I am speaking of in this thread, though one of the accounts was my main (as you can infer from the thread title which I was unable to edit out[the thread in ban report section]) and I had spent some amount of money on the RMAH on that account.

 

[Bic420]

You are seriously fucking retarded, sorry there is no way to blank that out.

What would you suppose I show past what I have? Showing any quote from blizz could be identified by their CS department, showing any document from credit card agency or paypal could be linked directly to the account. The above documentation of the case involving my client displays all I am willing to display about my client or any other party I've led towards fund recovery.

Umm you can easily show proof, the fact that you don't have any is why your not going to post it. Just like you don't have any any "clients" either. It's just common sense, you have proven time after time with your post's you are not intelligent enough to keep up in a simple discussion without posting lies, let alone "advise" anyone.

 

[packetloss]

Umm you can easily show proof, the fact that you don't have any is why your not going to post it. Just like you don't have any any "clients" either. It's just common sense, you have proven time after time with your post's you are not intelligent enough to keep up in a simple discussion without posting lies, let alone "advise anyone"

Why do you keep asking for proof. It's a moot point. I can attest to the fact that you can recover some funds depending on what you used to make your purchases.

The fact of the matter is, Blizzard can put whatever they want in a TOS but in the past these types of agreements do not hold up in court. Secondly, when you do chargebacks the merchant has to issue a detailed rebutal. "Customer violated TOS" is not a valid rebutal. As far as a credit card company is concerned, taking away access is the equivalent of a non working product. All you have to do is contest the charge and you will have all the proof you need.

 

[joe3563]

I call bullshit. Any educated individual who makes a living as a lawyer would not fail at written communication like this. Your grammar, inability to spell and lack of proper capitalization clearly demonstrate a level of intelligence entirely deficient to be taken seriously. You are no lawyer sir. I call bullshit.

 

[Bic420]

Why do you keep asking for proof. It's a moot point. I can attest to the fact that you can recover some funds depending on what you used to make your purchases.

The fact of the matter is, Blizzard can put whatever they want in a TOS but in the past these types of agreements do not hold up in court. Secondly, when you do chargebacks the merchant has to issue a detailed rebutal. "Customer violated TOS" is not a valid rebutal. As far as a credit card company is concerned, taking away access is the equivalent of a non working product. All you have to do is contest the charge and you will have all the proof you need.

Why would i not ask for proof? I'm not the only one who would like to see it. I never said you can't get some funds refunded to you, but Blizzard is not going to just return 2,500,000$ and large sums of money,

The problem is, Blizzard doesn't just put a bunch of random words and sentences in their TOS, Everything that's in there will hold up in a court, That's exactly why they put it in. If Blizzard entire TOS/EULA is as flimsy and not binding as you claim, they would have already been sued and lost by now. They understand how to make these policies basically unbreachable as they have had tons of practice with world of warcraft. Blizzard has been sued in the past but they never have even come close to losing a case like this. Ever since diablo 3 came out people have been saying they are going to sue blizzard and some have but not for these reasons, it was about Blizzard authenticator and some other stuff.

"Customer violated TOS" is most certainly a valid rebuttal all you have to do is read the first paragraph in the TOS/EULA and you can see how serious they are about you breaching anything in it. A credit card company also will not consider a "taking away access" as the "equivalent of a non working product" because you yourself broke their rules and voided their TOS. If you were banned without reason then yes absolutely but the fact that they already know the user has broken multiple rules, it will not hold.

If you contest a charge you will not have any proof, the only people who will have any proof is blizzard and it will be against you and their proof is real.

Like you said in the first part, you can get some funds returned to you I'm not denying that but someone who is claiming they are getting thousands of dollars returned should post some kind of proof, not for me but for anyone who would want to go down this path because it's honestly not really safe at all, blizzard might not care about a couple bucks here and there but you don't know what will happen once it is more, they very well may sue you. I'm not really sure why your against him posting proof either...

 

[blista08]

Why would i not ask for proof? I'm not the only one who would like to see it. I never said you can't get some funds refunded to you, but Blizzard is not going to just return 2,500,000$ and large sums of money,

The problem is, Blizzard doesn't just put a bunch of random words and sentences in their TOS, Everything that's in there will hold up in a court, That's exactly why they put it in. If Blizzard entire TOS/EULA is as flimsy and not binding as you claim, they would have already been sued and lost by now. They understand how to make these policies basically unbreachable as they have had tons of practice with world of warcraft. Blizzard has been sued in the past but they never have even come close to losing a case like this. Ever since diablo 3 came out people have been saying they are going to sue blizzard and some have but not for these reasons, it was about Blizzard authenticator and some other stuff.

"Customer violated TOS" is most certainly a valid rebuttal all you have to do is read the first paragraph in the TOS/EULA and you can see how serious they are about you breaching anything in it. A credit card company also will not consider a "taking away access" as the "equivalent of a non working product" because you yourself broke their rules and voided their TOS. If you were banned without reason then yes absolutely but the fact that they already know the user has broken multiple rules, it will not hold.

If you contest a charge you will not have any proof, the only people who will have any proof is blizzard and it will be against you and their proof is real.

Like you said in the first part, you can get some funds returned to you I'm not denying that but someone who is claiming they are getting thousands of dollars returned should post some kind of proof, not for me but for anyone who would want to go down this path because it's honestly not really safe at all, blizzard might not care about a couple bucks here and there but you don't know what will happen once it is more, they very well may sue you. I'm not really sure why your against him posting proof either...

Proof to every thing you just stated, thanks.

 

[Bic420]

I call bullshit. Any educated individual who makes a living as a lawyer would not fail at written communication like this. Your grammar, inability to spell and lack of proper capitalization clearly demonstrate a level of intelligence entirely deficient to be taken seriously. You are no lawyer sir. I call bullshit.

This is exactly what i thought when i first read his stuff, now that I've seen more posts it's blatantly obvious hes making it up.

Another poster even called out on it saying anyone who was a lawyer would not have such poor writing and spelling skills and his response was something like "I am purposely using bad grammar to hide my and my clients identity". LOL ya like that makes any sense what so ever.

 

[tbgvtr]

btw, forgot I had bookmarked this some time ago: BBC NEWS | Technology | Warcraft game maker in spying row

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...and I never said I am a lawyer. I work at a university and have contacts more deeply involved in law then I am. I don't think grammar or spelling is necessary to get a point across, but I believe I've since proven I have the ability to type with correct grammar and spelling. So if that is your best retort, well, we can leave it up to the user to decide who to believe.

 

[david8546]

btw, forgot I had bookmarked this some time ago: BBC NEWS | Technology | Warcraft game maker in spying row

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...and I never said I am a lawyer. I work at a university and have contacts more deeply involved in law then I am. I don't think grammar or spelling is necessary to get a point across, but I believe I've since proven I have the ability to type with correct grammar and spelling. So if that is your best retort, well, we can leave it up to the user to decide who to believe.

Sorry to point you out but "then I am" should be "than I am"....

 

[JimJohnsonBanMe4life]

I wonder if you work for Blizzard or something. #2 does work. Did it myself and got my money back. When you submit a chargback it gets investigated and the CC company doesn't take too kindly of a merchant selling a product that can't be used. I'm not sure why you think Blizzard can write whatever they want in a TOS and it's as if it was blessed by god.

#4 shows you don't comprehend just how ludicrous the situation is. You have to buy the game, open it up (so that it's no longer returnable) before you can read the TOS to decide if you agree or disagree. In the past, these forced TOS agreements have been thrown out.

As far as #8, they have yet to furnish any proof that anyone botted. They may think they have proof, but without providing it you think an arbitrator/court will take them at their word?

2 may work but then again it is theft. If you are ok with stealing, go ahead and steal/advise people to commit more crimes because you lack moral character.

4. Wrong, your battle.net account you agree to several terms prior to ever having to purchase D3 Account.