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[Official] Statement about Arenas and Battlegrounds

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I respect that lines of communication should stay open, but you cannot have a discussion with people who could care less about anyone else's point of view if it conflicts with theirs and they immediately get negative or bring in points that are not equivalent. Blocking usage of anunsupported area of the bot does not mean that they should stop supporting an area they specifically have supported. That makes no sense at all.
 
namook said:
Also correct me if I am wrong but the maker of Soap Box when out side of PQR and he still has 0 bans supports 64 bit/32 bit... I have not seen any recorded cases of bans, still looking
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1) Soap dont want support Arena gameplay (he doesnt have PvP product)
2) 0 bans are only because it wasnt targeted by Blizz - HB was targeted. Rb (other bot) also use only 32bit as HB but none of his users were banned.
 
diamondzero said:
Still need my question to be cleared.

Will we still be able to use CRs in BGs/RBGs?
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Yes for now. It is not sustainable to have BGs with too many of the players being bots and we are reviewing how to handle this. I am hoping that removing BGBuddy from trial keys will remove the users who buy a trial and bot continuously for 72 hours and get their full epic set.
 
lolp1 said:
I think it's worth discussing further. This thread says the change is only to further enforce the general policy in place since 2010, but this enforcement could have came day one. Instead, it happens after the first wave of bans in honorbuddy's history. This leads me to assume the following, but correct me if I am wrong.

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Allowing the powerful API you get with this bot into the main competitive route of WoW was always a concern of being too harmful/poking blizzard. Support was decided to not be given at all, but not disabled in the hopes not supporting it would be enough to keep blizzard uninterested or at least less so in detecting HB.

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If the above is true, you guys should further evaluate the situation. Yes in 2010 arena was the only real concern for you guys in terms of areas of the game your bots API could be used, but the reasoning behind it if I am right now also apply's to more area's than just arenas, as much or even more so I think. The following should be heavily considered to achieve your goals if my above assumptions are right:

-Disable HB functions while in a mythic raid of current content. This group (current content mythic raiders) are often as competitive or even more so than arena, widely viewed in the public eye as well/discussed.
-Disable HB functions while in rated battle grounds. (Same logic as above).

This assures your goals and philosophy behind disabling HB use in arena are met in a modern way with out hurting the real goal of the bot or what I perceive the goal as. People do not and can not solo bot current mythic content or rated bg's, so the only real loss would be the loss you seem to be okay with - users using HB's powerful API in order to automate their play in a highly competitive face to face environment.
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Spot on people don't always raid for gear some play to be competitive in damage, either shut down all Combat routines in all of the above or allow Combat routines it's as simple as that.
 
Trixiap said:
1) Soap dont want support Arena gameplay (he doesnt have PvP product)
2) 0 bans are only because it wasnt targeted by Blizz - HB was targeted. Rb (other bot) also use only 32bit as HB but none of his users were banned.
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RB had some bans so did many other scripts. My point was Soap Box when out side of PQR who's stopping pvp routine makers that make their living off that? from doing the same thing
 
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diamondzero said:
Still need my question to be cleared.

Will we still be able to use CRs in BGs/RBGs?
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This has been answered several times by Tony and Code... The CArs were made for PVP and PVP is still supported (they are determining now). ONLY Arenas have been decided.
 
namook said:
RB had some bans so did many other scripts. My point was Soap Box when out side of PQR who's stopping pvp routine makers that make their living off that? from doing the same thing
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Small number of bans is normal in botting world and it is not caused by using specific bots. I'm speaking about banwaves.

And ofc that nothing is stopping them, but If HB team is right, and Blizz is trying to fight assisted PvP gameplay, then these products will not have very long lifetime.
 
I agree that movement should be removed from the CR's
I don't use movement in any thing....just the basic routine, just part of my "Smart Botting" playbook.
I manually do all CC, Trinket, and Interrupts. I have been using HB since 2013 and this was my first ban since I started wow since it hit retail in 2004.
I do use a CR in Arena and BGs....this is something I think alot of us do and why we are trying to get an answer on whats actually being discontinued.
Full Out Automation with movement and bot running on a path....like in the video is just stupid and asking to be banned and should be.
I like using the CRs to quest and Dungeon and PVP...I hope the CRs are still aloud in Arenas and BGs...but like I said the "AutoBot" to me meaning AFK and Allow Movement should be disabled 100%
We all know if HB disables Any and All Arena related activity....another bot will step up...but hopefully there's just a misunderstanding in to whats being posted....hopefully we can get a clear answer soon.

Thank you.
 
No doubt HB was targeted like any company your going to go after the big guys not the small time players.
 
namook said:
Spot on people don't always raid for gear some play to be competitive in damage, either shut down all Combat routines in all of the above or allow Combat routines it's as simple as that.
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Again, ONLY Arenas have been determined. CR's can still be used for BG's, RBG's, and everything else. Your logic is flawed about wanting to disable CR's for everything since the Arenas have been decided.
 
Masonstorm111 said:
I agree that movement should be removed from the CR's
I don't use movement in any thing....just the basic routine, just part of my "Smart Botting" playbook.
I manually do all CC, Trinket, and Interrupts. I have been using HB since 2013 and this was my first ban since I started wow since it hit retail in 2004.
I do use a CR in Arena and BGs....this is something I think alot of us do and why we are trying to get an answer on whats actually being discontinued.
Full Out Automation with movement and bot running on a path....like in the video is just stupid and asking to be banned and should be.
I like using the CRs to quest and Dungeon and PVP...I hope the CRs are still aloud in Arenas and BGs...but like I said the "AutoBot" to me meaning AFK and Allow Movement should be disabled 100%
We all know if HB disables Any and All Arena related activity....another bot will step up...but hopefully there's just a misunderstanding in to whats being posted....hopefully we can get a clear answer soon.

Thank you.
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^^ This, really like this thread it's about time this is being taken seriously much respect.
 
pontius001 said:
Again, ONLY Arenas have been determined. CR's can still be used for BG's, RBG's, and everything else. Your logic is flawed about wanting to disable CR's for everything since the Arenas have been decided.
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I was making my point about competition to argue competition you may aswell disable routines from all of the above and it was never actually specified routines were removed from Arena, Honor Buddy has never made a bot nor supported a bot for Arena. There is only one for Battlegrounds. Otherwise you would see a bot base for Arena moving around for you while your down the street buying KFC or what ever tickles your fancies.
 
But it's quite simple allow all cr's eveyone is happy besides those who prefer auto movement but hey they can still move by hand have everything else auto mated and are still able to farm, you will still have afk bots from another company but hey guess what HB won't be the target for that since they don't allow auto movement... if that is what they decided to do I won't dictate what devs decide but I am all about the PVP so I will have no choice to find something else if combat routines are removed from pvp Bg and Arena, I won't just settle to be able to play bg lol, I grinded most of my honor I am after conquest now...
 
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namook said:
But it's quite simple allow all cr's eveyone is happy besides those who prefer auto movement but hey they can still move by hand have everything else auto mated and are still able to farm, you will still have afk bots from another company but hey guess what HB won't be the target for that since they don't allow auto movement... if that is what they decided to do I won't dictate what devs decide but I am all about the PVP so I will have no choice to find something else if combat routines are removed from pvp Bg and Arena, I won't just settle to be able to play bg lol, I grinded most of my honor I am after conquest now...
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Namook - you keep saying the same thing again and again. The decision to prevent Honorbuddy working in arenas is final. We are happy to discuss legitimate complaints and to pay refunds where appropriate. Please stop filling the thread unless you have something new and useful to add.
 
Well all I understood from original post was that combat routines moved manually by hand is ok in Arena, just the fact HB won't create maintain a bot base for Arena which it never has and that they may think about Battlegrounds to, I think we all need some kind of further elaboration so people don't blow everything out of context.
 
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Hawker said:
Namook - you keep saying the same thing again and again. The decision to prevent Honorbuddy working in arenas is final. We are happy to discuss legitimate complaints and to pay refunds where appropriate. Please stop filling the thread unless you have something new and useful to add.
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Sorry just trying to get my point across to some people and what are you implying no combat routines are allowed in Arena? because all I got from the first post is they were aloud just no bot will be supported which it never has been?
 
namook said:
Well all I understood from original post was that combat routines moved manually by hand is ok in Arena, just the fact HB won't create maintain a bot base for Arena which it never has and that they may think about Battlegrounds to, I think we all need some kind of further elaboration so people don't blow everything out of context.
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Many of you wonder, why we have said, that Arena will no longer will be available.
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Let me be absolutely clear. That means Arena will no longer be available. If you enter an arena with Honorbuddy running, it will close.
 
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