So how bad do you suck without HB?
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lol guys what if someone asks you a question about a certain spell or why you did something when the bot is up? if you don't know how to play your class it'll be a pain to give a proper answer.
seriously just go to icy veins, simcraft or noxxic and learn your rotation / class. spend the downtime on learning the rotation on a training dummy and try to enhance your dps by hand and make macros / keybinds that make your life easier.
if you know how to play your class you'll probably lose 20-50k dps max. plus you have a better understanding on how to configure your cr's properly and get the maximum out of it. like you can disable stuff in the cr and pop it manually when needed and only let the bot do the main rotation. trust me if you are able to do this you will do alot better rather then letting the bot take over full control of your toon.
it will make you look fishy if you can't join the raids or don't play whenever the auth / mesh servers have problems or tripwire causes downtime. learn at least 1 class that you can play with when the bot is down.
EDIT: also expect a huge downtime when WoD is out. what will you do then
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EDIT2: for the uber noobs there is an addon called SpellFlash (This addon is able to make suggestions of what spell you may want to cast next by flashing on top of the spell buttons.
). you can download various rotation profiles for it and it supports almost every class.
EDIT3: also imagine this. all the hotkeys and spells you set on your action bars are synced with the blizzard server so if you reinstall wow you still have them. what if you are like > 2k rank in arena and you get reported a few times. a GM maybe can check this and will see this guy doesn't even have skills on the additional actionbars or hotkeys bound besides 1,2,3,4,5....
It will just make your character look more like a bot.
Maybe they can also see what addons you use etc. and nearly all legit players that do arena seriously have specific addons for that.
seriously just go to icy veins, simcraft or noxxic and learn your rotation / class. spend the downtime on learning the rotation on a training dummy and try to enhance your dps by hand and make macros / keybinds that make your life easier.
if you know how to play your class you'll probably lose 20-50k dps max. plus you have a better understanding on how to configure your cr's properly and get the maximum out of it. like you can disable stuff in the cr and pop it manually when needed and only let the bot do the main rotation. trust me if you are able to do this you will do alot better rather then letting the bot take over full control of your toon.
it will make you look fishy if you can't join the raids or don't play whenever the auth / mesh servers have problems or tripwire causes downtime. learn at least 1 class that you can play with when the bot is down.
EDIT: also expect a huge downtime when WoD is out. what will you do then
?EDIT2: for the uber noobs there is an addon called SpellFlash (This addon is able to make suggestions of what spell you may want to cast next by flashing on top of the spell buttons.
). you can download various rotation profiles for it and it supports almost every class.
EDIT3: also imagine this. all the hotkeys and spells you set on your action bars are synced with the blizzard server so if you reinstall wow you still have them. what if you are like > 2k rank in arena and you get reported a few times. a GM maybe can check this and will see this guy doesn't even have skills on the additional actionbars or hotkeys bound besides 1,2,3,4,5....
It will just make your character look more like a bot.
Maybe they can also see what addons you use etc. and nearly all legit players that do arena seriously have specific addons for that.
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Sad story m8, glad you made it through 
Yeah wow has kinda taken over my life aswell. Raid SoO with over 7 chars each week, 2x HC clears and so on.. Luckily we had summer break in guild so now im logging in like 1-2 times a week to cap VP/coins.
Yeah wow has kinda taken over my life aswell. Raid SoO with over 7 chars each week, 2x HC clears and so on.. Luckily we had summer break in guild so now im logging in like 1-2 times a week to cap VP/coins.lawrence131
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wow has been so dumbed down that any of us could take 5 min and learn a dps rotation on most classes that would perform 90% of SimCraft, but that takes the joy out of botting and i typically purposely avoid this just out of principle lol. i raided on 2 of my guys while bot was known to be down just so i could (at least in my mind) look legit to blizz. (i wonder if they ever track these things, like who raids during known bot down times??)
2 of my classes I can almost completely play with Logitech Setpoint autofire macro. Ret-pally: autofire turbo key to constantly spam Crusader, Judgement, Exorcism, TV - 4 different keybinds that Logitech spams faster than a human can and can just be held down for a whole raid. The vast majority of the time only 1 of those abilities will be up at a time and only 1 ability will go through. TV will obviously only ever go through when you have enough HP. The few times they exactly coincide doing the 2nd best ability then the best one back to back with 0 delay is still better than the bulk of WoW players and almost no loss of dps (ie judgement and exorcism both become available exactly same time but you do the slightly less dmg one first then the next one 1.1 sec later). I can literally raid with holding down 1 auto-fire button and only occasionally pressing medium to long CD abilities. autofire also handles procs beautifully cuz they're instantly fired (ie art of war, if ur lazy and take divine purpose). (actually significantly faster than even Tuanha, all CR's seem to have an inherent delay in responding to procs possibly because scanning for them too aggressively slows it down).
similar one can be made for Arms, but not Fury. so if ur a lazy bastard like me and want to still do OK without bot, figure out some various auto-fire programs that sync well with some classes. The ones I can confirm work good "enough" are ret/prot pally, arms/prot war, guardian druid, frost DK. I won't go through the exact details of each of these but it would take 5 min to look at the icy veins rotation and adapt it.
2 of my classes I can almost completely play with Logitech Setpoint autofire macro. Ret-pally: autofire turbo key to constantly spam Crusader, Judgement, Exorcism, TV - 4 different keybinds that Logitech spams faster than a human can and can just be held down for a whole raid. The vast majority of the time only 1 of those abilities will be up at a time and only 1 ability will go through. TV will obviously only ever go through when you have enough HP. The few times they exactly coincide doing the 2nd best ability then the best one back to back with 0 delay is still better than the bulk of WoW players and almost no loss of dps (ie judgement and exorcism both become available exactly same time but you do the slightly less dmg one first then the next one 1.1 sec later). I can literally raid with holding down 1 auto-fire button and only occasionally pressing medium to long CD abilities. autofire also handles procs beautifully cuz they're instantly fired (ie art of war, if ur lazy and take divine purpose). (actually significantly faster than even Tuanha, all CR's seem to have an inherent delay in responding to procs possibly because scanning for them too aggressively slows it down).
similar one can be made for Arms, but not Fury. so if ur a lazy bastard like me and want to still do OK without bot, figure out some various auto-fire programs that sync well with some classes. The ones I can confirm work good "enough" are ret/prot pally, arms/prot war, guardian druid, frost DK. I won't go through the exact details of each of these but it would take 5 min to look at the icy veins rotation and adapt it.
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just to add i can kill garrosh with auto-fire method on these toons and do just well "enough" not to be called out for sucking for my ilvl lol. and i by no means massively out-gear the encounter as i just recently started PVE. most of my auto-fire enabled guys are only 553-558 ilvl.
Sure, sure. Even if would be true, not knowing how to play an offspec on your main and having a 560 fury warrior beat you in 588 ilvl, is the definition of a scrub. At least if you ask me.
Telling people to visit icy veins and noxxic shows so clearly you cant play without bot lol. 1+ for effort tho.
says the guy that can't play a resto druid without a bot. +1 for being a twat.
sorry for offtopic.
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A good CC can anticipate a little bit, but the bots can't read ahead unless they have more info to access.
a crazy amount of info.
A player can see options and use macros to 'push' commands faster through the client, but they can also anticipate and choose various options that the bot doesn't know about. certain procs, certain 'high damage' phases in a fight when you need to burst, i.e. vulnerable mobs due to a boss mechanic, or stunned characters.
if a custom combat class isn't hitting the same abilities as you, you'd really have to help show what it is you do differently, i.e. submit a combat log through a parser like WoL, WcL or AMR, compare that to a log of the CC's rotation. i.e. upload it to somewhere like Warcraft Logs - Combat Analysis for Warcraft and sort by damage done / per user , like this Warcraft Logs - Combat Analysis for Warcraft to work out your rotation and the CC rotation.
What the CC writer then has to do, is compare the given rotation and your in-game logs to determine why 'you' chose to do things that way, and where you differ from the procedural rotation. if that's 340 spell casts in a 4 minute fight, then they have to pore over and work out where things went differently, if that's 914 casts in a 12 minute fight, it's a bit tougher.
this is effectively what HC raid groups do in their spare time, go over DPS logs for periods where they can improve DPS, and go through recordings to work out where they didn't move in time, switched to the wrong mob, didn't use a pot in combat, could have moved to another area, healed a different person, etc.
you might see that you need to move because the boss is about to do some crazy frontal cone/pie attack. HB, will not make that decision because it doesn't see the fire at all, it doesn't use or listen to DBM. that's the player's job. and in general, HB doesn't really get that message, not always. on a few cone attacks, it knows the radian and direction, and will walk out of it, but it can't really strafe properly or, walk through the attack and turn the boss around. woe betide if you pull that shit while tanking and nuke the raid group. the way that strafing works can be a little lacklustre, but, it's always room for improvement. So, while CC's can see the 'telegraph' of the casting bar, and can read the attack, HB won't know where it's going to land until the client does.
in PvP/Arena, there's lots of options in combat that require advanced geometry to work, i.e. LoS casting and strafing out of burst/slows/ blinking behind walls. a bot won't make those decisions, because it needs access to geometry, and an entirely different set of decisions and behaviors, to make it appear human or 'noobish' when it's backing up into walls, tripping into rocks, etc.
TLDR, there's ways to improve a CC, but it requires proving there's a problem, then working out what you want the CC to do differently. any programmer can make changes, a good one works out what you want changed and if it's good or bad.
Welcome to the club of proud botters !
I forgot to play the moment Blizzard made the game so bloody simple, that I put everything under three macro buttons on my G19 keyboard ..
Thank god for HB, otherwise I would have been forced to use the WASD buttons manually .... lol
Was pulling 105k, now down to 95k... not too terrible
a DPS junkie, sweet .. you will hate the new wow release then.
Back to the good old 10k dps, if at all
I suck badly man cant even target without honorbuddy, man all these people raging about people being social & having anti-social syndrome they dont even know what its like to be too dumb to not know how to target or how to press your buttons.
I cant play without getting HB withdrawl symptons :'(
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Meh it saddens me that I suck so bad too, went from 270k dps to 200k dps in flex without the bot. Thing is HB has made me a lazy player, raiding in some good guilds in my WOW lifetime I know how to play a class but having tried the routines (used to use only for GB2) it makes raiding less stressful and I can watch mechanics more and chill with a beer while playing
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I'm fairly shit. Thank god it isn't reset day (yet).
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+1 to this.
spellflash is useful for keeping an eye on DPS/trinket procs as well, not so much for healers.
depends on how good the spellflash author/custom list is. they have the ability to read trinket procs, re-snapshot and calc the most efficient heal based on the trinket proc, if it has been added to the profile. most of the caster profiles have this iirc.
i'd also suggest ElvUI, it's a good UI replacement, and includes a lot of addons in one bundle, like omnicc and a few unit frame changes, etc.
ElvUI will break questing when HB is patched, due to the custom toolbar code used in vehicles and custom toolbar events. so remember to disable it afterwards, or forever babysit questing.
Ovale /nemo is also an option, although it is confusing, it can show AoE rotation options and alternate casts.
Nerien has a compilation of decent rotations, but you might need to grab new copies from the ovale forums for 5.4 changes, ovale is kind of old, and nemo is sort of newer, both have a very similar layout,
i believe ovale/nemo are based off addons from 2010, like clcret, dk, enhprio, and other spell priority addons. there's also 1 button macros that you can press to automate the rotation for most classes. which is kind of sad. and awesome.
as for the toolbar view, it would require tools that can read entirely different sets of data in the database.
they'd have to rebuild a copy of your client from the backup settings that are uploaded to the servers (macros, hotbars, buttons, settings and general config).
Blizzard earns half their money from HB as you can currently see WoW is pretty empty at the moment...
