So have you found your botting replacement for D3? Probably won't see Exp until 2015?

[kork09]

when you combine the amount(4000 euro quite a bit of cash) and paypal then you know you are getting to get scamed.... if an eccentric rich guy want to buy a bunch of pixels for 4000 euro then i ll give him my bank account to wire the cash...problem solved.
conclusion for big ammounts of cash ask the buyer to wire the money.

My opinion is that if the scammer had a lvl 60 barb with 400k dps which is not expensive without all res / vit which didn't need to be good but appear to be good and paragon 10-20 it would've worked haha
Paypal rich guy wants to be anonymous totally legit haha

 

[AngelsHalo]

Well, I just imagined a situation:
Chenese scammer calls chinese banker:
- Hey, Wu Tang, please chargeback 4k euro I sent to Europe pls!
- Hello Hay Chi. Sure, no problem friend. If you'll need to chargeback again, feel free to call me!

Wu Tang

 

[IGG]

dbrouss, you can chargeback money if you pay through paypal via bank card. I didn't tell anything about wire transfer. BTW I'd like to donate you some .........,,,,,,,,,,,

 

[urn357]

Not sure if anyone considers $0.20 - $0.60 per hour for 1 bot instance too little?

For 1 bot, 24/7 would yield $4.80 to $14.40 per day

Running 1 bot 24/7 for 1 month will give $144 to $432
Running 10 bots 24/7 for 1 month will give $1440 to $4320

I know everyone it is mephuser and we can expect this....but to you mephuser...why in the living hell do you post something like this and not give any more information?
It's like you are a child singing "nah nah nuh boo boo, I know something and you don't!" Well I know something that you definitely must not yet.......when to stop posting shit like this!

 

[Deebs86]

Has anyone found a viable option for another game to bot?

Only like 6 new ban reports and I had to be one of them.

I think it had to do with the accounts gettin locked like 6 times in 2 weeks.

 

[Bertrand]

Has anyone found a viable option for another game to bot?

Only like 6 new ban reports and I had to be one of them.

I think it had to do with the accounts gettin locked like 6 times in 2 weeks.

or maybe relloger ?
Where were you at maintenance time son ?

 

[Rayne01]

It's rather this or WoW, so pick your poison and take the plunge, or pick both, bot hard or go home! later bitches.

 

[plzdontban]

such dreamland numbers

 

[d0rian]

So...is there an option for transaction in paypal using which the buyer wont be able to chargeback his money ? "as gift" is not one of them i know that already. So is there any at all ?

 

[ezpwnd]

So...is there an option for transaction in paypal using which the buyer wont be able to chargeback his money ? "as gift" is not one of them i know that already. So is there any at all ?

nope

 

[d0rian]

nope

A few more questions then.
1)How long after the transaction is done the buyer can complain and chargeback his money ? Is there such a period and if yes..does it means if this period expires the money can't be chargedback and they are save with the seller ?
2)What if ... after the transfer is completed (means now the seller should transfer the item/gold in game) the seller make a request to withdraw the money from his paypal account into his back account. I know that usually takes a few days depends where you live (EU/US)..but if he make a withdraw request..and after that the buyer make a refund request..which one is will be fulfilled first ? Anyone tried that out guys ?
3)Let's say it's all done. The scammer got back his money and your item/gold and you are toasted. Fact! What if the seller took some pictures or video or skype audio recording of all the conversation. Could the seller hope for some justice if he send the evidence of scam to paypal(that includes for example a chat..where the buyer is so naive and approves that he scammed the seller) ?

P.S. Sorry for asking so much..probably have to check paypal website for some more info..but i prefer your experienced opinion.

 

[ezpwnd]

A few more questions then.
1)How long after the transaction is done the buyer can complain and chargeback his money ? Is there such a period and if yes..does it means if this period expires the money can't be chargedback and they are save with the seller ?
2)What if ... after the transfer is completed (means now the seller should transfer the item/gold in game) the seller make a request to withdraw the money from his paypal account into his back account. I know that usually takes a few days depends where you live (EU/US)..but if he make a withdraw request..and after that the buyer make a refund request..which one is will be fulfilled first ? Anyone tried that out guys ?
3)Let's say it's all done. The scammer got back his money and your item/gold and you are toasted. Fact! What if the seller took some pictures or video or skype audio recording of all the conversation. Could the seller hope for some justice if he send the evidence of scam to paypal(that includes for example a chat..where the buyer is so naive and approves that he scammed the seller) ?

P.S. Sorry for asking so much..probably have to check paypal website for some more info..but i prefer your experienced opinion.

1. I think they can chargeback anytime within 60 days.

2. Paypal will refund the buyer and will charge you the money. They will get back their money.

3. I never tried it but I'm almost confident that screenshots/recordings have no value at all.

 

[d0rian]

Would like to hear more opinions about this topic.

 

[dbrouss]

Would like to hear more opinions about this topic.

things are like ezpwned said though there is a way to have some chances to win if the buyer will dispute the transaction but not with 100% of success.
you ask for a verified paypal that in the notes you make the person to write that he knows that he purchases virtual things and he is the actual owner of the account and that he will not claim back the money.
Then you ask the buyer to send the same thing using the e mail the paypal uses.
Like that you have more chances to take the money but isnt a garanteed success.
If by any chance you will see 1st) a non verified paypal ---->refuse the transaction
2nd)the buyer doesnt want to send the notes or he refuses to use the owner e mail---->refuse the transaction.
There is maybe only one way that the transaction will be more safe that is to ask for an identity copy that matches the paypal info.

 

[d0rian]

Is there some official document in which "you make the person to write that he knows that he purchases virtual things and he is the actual owner of the account and that he will not claim back the money" has an actual weight to the paypal authorities ?
Or by "notes" you mean..when he compose the transaction .. there is a field where he can add some free text..and there he should agree to all my above conditions ? Then when the transaction is complete and i receive the money..i check if everything he wrote in the note details is right including his paypal email and then we trade the item/gold.
I haven't send money so far..so pls excuse me. Just wanna make sure i understand everything correctly.
My own notes (in a notepad file for example) wont have any real value probably if that's what you meant.

 

[dbrouss]

by "notes" i mean there is a field where he can add some free text when he will send the money(excuse my english).
To make things more clear when the buyer disputes a transaction at the paypal he claims usually the following situations in order to get a charge back 1st) he was hacked and the one that made the transaction wasnt himself(paypal account hacked) or he claims that he never was delivered the "Virtual goods" or that the "goods" were never delivered to his actual adress.
So paypal when the dispute is open and the money came from a hacked account , doesnt even ask your opinion(the sellers) it justs refunds the money to the buyer --->that is why we ask an email correspodance in order to show it to paypal.
the note is for the 2nd reasoning "virtual adress or not delivered goods". Though you must know that paypal isnt safe especially for large sums of cash.
If the sellers attached credit card at his paypal is claimed stolen all the transactions will be charged back....
the only way to be safe is to ask the buyer to wire the money to you (large sums only) at your Bank account.
99% of the chinese gold-currency buyers at big mmo trade forums are legit and will never charge you back so mostly all this are precautions for individual buyers.

 

[ad3ddd]

1. I think they can chargeback anytime within 60 days.

2. Paypal will refund the buyer and will charge you the money. They will get back their money.

3. I never tried it but I'm almost confident that screenshots/recordings have no value at all.

This is actually not entirely true. I've been using paypal for years and on one occasion i sold an item, right.. so later on, the buyer decided the item was fake (even tho it wasn't, but i did not have the receipt to prove it). I got the item returned, but because there was a "case" against me in ppal, the buyer got the money returned to them by ppal. I was utterly pissed by that whole fiasco, so i decided to see what will happen if i do not pay the money back to paypal. I figured, a large, multi-billion dollar company won't need my 150 pounds that much, right? So i just did not use my account for a month or two and nothing happened. Case went away, i did not even get a negative feedback.. literally nothing happened. On the other hand, i know some dudes who used to systematically do this in Germany for profit and in a month or so (after ~5000 euro worth of scams) they got chased by the law so they had to leave Germany. So you can draw your own conclusions.

p.s. screenshots/recordings have some value in the judging of cases, not to a great extent, but since there is one guy who decides whether YOU or THE OTHER GUY is guilty, i guess it is better to do all you can to convince that guy

 

[IGG]

Well, there is a way to reaturn any money from anywhere. If credit card is used to pay for anything (including paypal payment funded with credit card), there is 30 days hold period, the money are blocked on the bank account for that period (at least this is how I understand that system). So you can send the payment through paypal using credit card and use the "my credit card was stolen/compromised" trick to get your money back. If that will be done under 30 days hold period, the bank just won't send the money to paypal system and "unblock" them on your credit card\account. Scammer even won't need to mess with paypal etc. and the buyer can proove anything to paypal, he can win the case etc., but he won't get the money

Easiest way to trade: want cool item? no problem, buy multiple billions of gold from cheap(chinese ) goldseller shop and just do ingame trade. The itemseller can just unload that gold as bulk and loose %. In that case all risk will be on the shop.

 

[olivete]

I just would like to know how "you guys" are making about 1400 - 4000 bucks per month with 10 bots

I have 10 bots, 24/7 selling crappy items per gold and good ones for cash... I am not EVEN close to get 1000 bucks month now.

Can someone tell me what trick is this?

 

[IGG]

olivete, sure, I can tell you. Just get the fkn time machine and reverse the time by 10-11 months