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* 1 Ip, 1 computer, 1 account, just 6hours botting, 6hours break time per day was banned (my friend A)

* 1 account last botting about 2 months ago, and now not botting even did not log in for a long time was banned (my friend B)

* 4 account within 1 computer botting was banned (my friend C)

* 7 account (asia 7, america 7, 3 computers 6/4/4), 7/24 every day was all banned (It's mine)


Demonbuddy might be detected by blizzard
Perhaps, they now are using some tools detcting bot software, or starting to trace by manual
anyway, banning is permanent. that's all.
and we are unlucky ?
I think that it's just inevitable
 
my 2 bots still running on same pc same ip since 12/18. as well as 2 wow bots same ip same pc.

not detectable.
 
macedawg said:
my 2 bots still running on same pc same ip since 12/18. as well as 2 wow bots same ip same pc.

not detectable.
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More likely that they just haven't gotten around to banning you yet.

I suspect DB is detectable, either directly through detection of the files - or what's more likely by the behaviors which it performs in game through an algorithm developed by the Blizzard anti-hacks team.

Once you have used the bot, it's only a matter of time. You may evade ban through luck, but it's simply no more than that. Each case once detected by the "algorithm" likely requires manual review by a Blizzard employee, these cases once verified are stored up and dumped in a "ban wave" such as we have seen many times in the past.

The fact is that this is a daunting task with how many accounts are botting currently, manually checking each account after it's "flagged" by whatever means of detection is being used is very time and resource consuming. I think they learned their lesson with the December ban where they went with the fully automated results in which many innocents - or non-botters were banned as well. I believe they are using pattern recognition detection based on this and not software detection (which would open them up to legal action).

Stating that it isn't detectable is false, it most obviously is - but that is the risk you run with botting.

PS. They can easily nail your mules too, this was proved with the gold dupe bans. Gold and item transactions are all logged; 100% positive as I was involved in both DB bans clear back in Oct/Dec of last year and the gold dupe bans recently. I had accounts nuked that never duped or botted, but had traded or purchased money laundered items via the AH. I also had some slip through the bans. No rhyme or reason to any of it, it was simply a matter of "did they have time to audit the account after given reasonable suspicion?" and how deep did this audit go. As with anything where humans get involved (and likely low paid ones) ? things slip through the *****s due to carelessness or incompetence of which Blizzard has more than its fair share currently under its employ.
 
dude. that just means blizz is just fucking with you ^_^

they own this game and they can do whatever the FUCK they wanna do! <3<3<3
 
i must agree with skyliner here. Blizz finally grew up to the task and implemented a method that will detect botting with very very slight error margin. Of course they know better than to rely on software exclusively, so before striking with the hammer they involve human labor to double check. He pretty much nailed it by saying evading the banhammer is a result of limited human resources.
I mean we have been described all sorts of botting behavior here and even the most low profile ones got caught, so yea, its not unhuman like behavior, not hardware ID, not IP, we dont know for sure, but you can rest assured its none of the above.
add my experience to the list: I equipped 3 bots with my main giving them gold and equipment before i started the bots for the first time. then i went out of town for a few days and thought by the time I come back I will have reached P100 on one of my chars on my main, so I asked a friend who manages a net cafe to keep my main running until it reaches P100 during opening hours. I set the bot to take a lunch break as to make it seem "more human" :) Took about 30 hours of botting to get there. Afterwards I never used a bot on my main and never played on it whilst any bots were running. I even switched IPs each time before and after I used my main.
Was my main banned? Hell yes! :( Saddest thing about it, I was gonna do it as hobby, not for financial gain. I dont mind the money I spent on the bots, but losing my main does hurt me in the butt.
 
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The program it's self is not detectable. IF itt was then they could run an auto-matted ban on anyone it detects with absolutely 0 error on innocents. You can't ban an innocent if the program was never detected. So no, it's definitely not detected and you guys might be right they might have an algorithm for detecting it but that's it.
 
it's really hard to justify the banning of mules, main accounts. The reason being is a HUGE portion of players consistently buy gold from botters(chinese etc). If they were to ban people because they made transactions with bots then they could wipe out a huge portion of their player base. As the person said above and the same applies here, it would take a enormous amount of time to evaluate these transactions since so many players deal with botters.
 
It was just routine bans, they simply hand picked some accounts and banned them. Nothing to worry about unless they continue like that every week since now.
 
Eisenberg said:
It was just routine bans, they simply hand picked some accounts and banned them. Nothing to worry about unless they continue like that every week since now.
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We don't know how their flagging / banning work, and neither do you. Claiming the program is detected is as stupid as claiming the program is undetected, given the info at our disposal. The only difference is banned people ask themselves what went wrong , but not banned people think everything's fine, and the fault is on the ones that got banned.

Everybody can have their own opinnion, of course. And mine is, everybody who bots is flagged. I don't know the method they use. And this ban (that has been bigger than what the few posts in this section seem to imply) is, as another person in another thread mentioned, blizzard trying to calm down the bloodlust on the legit playerbase after a post on US battlenet regarding bots went pretty viral and people asked for actions.

Since the actual banwave, as in the 18/12 banwave, could be as close as tomorrow and as far as never, we'll never know.If they really do such a banwave, they'll lose half their playerbase and this time they won't be back.

Fact is, no important improvements regarding Db behaviour were done from that time, other than setting small timers for identying items , and this sort of thing.Lots of improvements on other parts of the bot, though. Nothing that changed the program in a way that if it was detected, it wouldn't be detected thereafter. And , as devs have declared , they have no reason to believe Db is detected, and the claim of dB being safe comes at the notion of completely automated bans.

So, the only way to prove Db could be detected would be the whole community of users being banned at the same time. Blizzard also know this. They even have the experience of the 18/12 banwave, from which the game playerbase has never completely recovered. If I were they,I would never do another mass ban like that, because it would be going to affect my income in the end.

I never bought this way of thinking, " hey if it was detected I would have been banned". Only if they wanted to, buddies. And why would they?
 
pimpampum said:
We don't know how their flagging / banning work, and neither do you. Claiming the program is detected is as stupid as claiming the program is undetected, given the info at our disposal. The only difference is banned people ask themselves what went wrong , but not banned people think everything's fine, and the fault is on the ones that got banned.

Everybody can have their own opinnion, of course. And mine is, everybody who bots is flagged. I don't know the method they use. And this ban (that has been bigger than what the few posts in this section seem to imply) is, as another person in another thread mentioned, blizzard trying to calm down the bloodlust on the legit playerbase after a post on US battlenet regarding bots went pretty viral and people asked for actions.

Since the actual banwave, as in the 18/12 banwave, could be as close as tomorrow and as far as never, we'll never know.If they really do such a banwave, they'll lose half their playerbase and this time they won't be back.

Fact is, no important improvements regarding Db behaviour were done from that time, other than setting small timers for identying items , and this sort of thing.Lots of improvements on other parts of the bot, though. Nothing that changed the program in a way that if it was detected, it wouldn't be detected thereafter. And , as devs have declared , they have no reason to believe Db is detected, and the claim of dB being safe comes at the notion of completely automated bans.

So, the only way to prove Db could be detected would be the whole community of users being banned at the same time. Blizzard also know this. They even have the experience of the 18/12 banwave, from which the game playerbase has never completely recovered. If I were they,I would never do another mass ban like that, because it would be going to affect my income in the end.

I never bought this way of thinking, " hey if it was detected I would have been banned". Only if they wanted to, buddies. And why would they?
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There you have it, that is the best thinking approach one could adopt. I feel EXACTLY the same way. That said, it is all down to the simple, old school luck.
 
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pimpampum said:
We don't know how their flagging / banning work, and neither do you. Claiming the program is detected is as stupid as claiming the program is undetected, given the info at our disposal. The only difference is banned people ask themselves what went wrong , but not banned people think everything's fine, and the fault is on the ones that got banned.

Everybody can have their own opinnion, of course. And mine is, everybody who bots is flagged. I don't know the method they use. And this ban (that has been bigger than what the few posts in this section seem to imply) is, as another person in another thread mentioned, blizzard trying to calm down the bloodlust on the legit playerbase after a post on US battlenet regarding bots went pretty viral and people asked for actions.

Since the actual banwave, as in the 18/12 banwave, could be as close as tomorrow and as far as never, we'll never know.If they really do such a banwave, they'll lose half their playerbase and this time they won't be back.

Fact is, no important improvements regarding Db behaviour were done from that time, other than setting small timers for identying items , and this sort of thing.Lots of improvements on other parts of the bot, though. Nothing that changed the program in a way that if it was detected, it wouldn't be detected thereafter. And , as devs have declared , they have no reason to believe Db is detected, and the claim of dB being safe comes at the notion of completely automated bans.

So, the only way to prove Db could be detected would be the whole community of users being banned at the same time. Blizzard also know this. They even have the experience of the 18/12 banwave, from which the game playerbase has never completely recovered. If I were they,I would never do another mass ban like that, because it would be going to affect my income in the end.

I never bought this way of thinking, " hey if it was detected I would have been banned". Only if they wanted to, buddies. And why would they?
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Fair enough, I can get behind this. Good post.
 
Hopefully that .21 cents i made this week hits my paypal before my bans.
 
They did maintenance or an update today. Im a little dubious about botting now and am gonna wait a while see what happens. Why do I bot? I have arthritis and I really cant be smashing the keys like crazy just to play a game. DB makes it easier for me to play, I move around and it helps me fight efficiently. Also makes it easier to level. I mean seriously, do they expect people to constantly play for 1k hours just to reach paragon lvl 100? I mean have you tried? doing a repetitive level over and over and over...thats no fun. Fuck that! DB till I die. If they were smart, they would authorize DB as a third party program and ban UNATTENDED botting instead.
 
For everyone information I have continued to run 5 bots the whole time this was going on and none have been banned. 3 of the accounts are ran 24/7 and 1 use rmah which I have made over 800 bucks in 2 weeks. I feel this is totally random and if you got banned you were unlucky and if not banned lucky. Remember the simple fact the second you start the bot be prepared to be banned at some point. Now I will go continue to make as much rmah money as I can before the hammer gets me :)
 
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i was wondering whether running multiple accs simultaniously on the same PC kinda gives away botters automatically. I mean if theyre checking some sort of hardware ID, then it falls flat out, because why else would someone be running multiple instances of d3 if not for botting. then a GM only has to check whether its a case of multiboxing (which could be the only non-violative reason for multiple instances).
same for using VM. the hardware ID is simplyfied there, will make it obvious you are using a VM. why would someone be using a VM to run D3? comes the GM, finds no multiboxing and wham!!! that would explain why they need to involve human labour and why some multi-botters go unpunished (limited human resources), although i have no theory for the single account botters other than bot-like patterns.
anyways there seems to be a lot less complaints of TNT botters getting whacked recently for reasons unknown. wonder what theyre doing differently...
 
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