I would gladly stay on EU but its just getting to a point where you cant even cover your expenses.
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I would gladly stay on EU but its just getting to a point where you cant even cover your expenses.
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I thoroughly understand, but can't expect me to be over enthused with the prospect of not only increased competition on the US rmah, but also a completely different economy and mindset being mixed in. I've read countless threads on db forums about these 3rd world kids on the eu botting d3 cause it's better income than a real job in their nation. So now that they have dismantled the eu rmah, they get to come here and sell their 250 vit ik chest for 3 dollars and eat for a week. Obviously exaggerations and such involved, but you understand I hope 
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I thoroughly understand, but can't expect me to be over enthused with the prospect of not only increased competition on the US rmah, but also a completely different economy and mindset being mixed in. I've read countless threads on db forums about these 3rd world kids on the eu botting d3 cause it's better income than a real job in their nation. So now that they have dismantled the eu rmah, they get to come here and sell their 250 vit ik chest for 3 dollars and eat for a week. Obviously exaggerations and such involved, but you understand I hope
This ^. Can't agree more
Also, if you really wanna know....it's not worth the hassle because right now the US market is going down the toilet also. I've had gold up for sell for .25 for 34 hours now and no sell. Also I was selling a few items per day last week. As of this past Saturday, I've sold one and nothing in past 2 days.
I thoroughly understand, but can't expect me to be over enthused with the prospect of not only increased competition on the US rmah, but also a completely different economy and mindset being mixed in. I've read countless threads on db forums about these 3rd world kids on the eu botting d3 cause it's better income than a real job in their nation. So now that they have dismantled the eu rmah, they get to come here and sell their 250 vit ik chest for 3 dollars and eat for a week. Obviously exaggerations and such involved, but you understand I hope
looloool at this guy judging from nick you are probably one of those 3rd world kids but from us . your us will go to shit aswell . for some reason eu went to shit faster but us will go there too . the game is the same in both us and eu it has nothing to do with botters or 3rd world kids. i give it 1 month max where you won't be able to sell anything on rmah
so enjoy your profits for now . i will lough at you in 1 month maybe faster
looloool at this guy judging from nick you are probably one of those 3rd world kids but from us . your us will go to shit aswell . for some reason eu went to shit faster but us will go there too . the game is the same in both us and eu it has nothing to do with botters or 3rd world kids. i give it 1 month max where you won't be able to sell anything on rmah
so enjoy your profits for now . i will lough at you in 1 month maybe faster
Even so, 1 month of profit > cost of bots. Whos laughing now? xD
Edit: also, US didnt have their floor price dropped on gold temporarily, that sent euro downhill like dropping a pebble off the empire state building.
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plzdontban
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Shouldn't be allowed to post if 80% of your mental processes are occupied with breathing. I am sorry that me putting gas in my car could pay your rent. It's also not my fault you ravaged the eu rmah in a desperate fiscal seizure to squeeze every last penny at the cost of stability. So come, be my guest, come shit in my bed!
I thoroughly understand, but can't expect me to be over enthused with the prospect of not only increased competition on the US rmah, but also a completely different economy and mindset being mixed in. I've read countless threads on db forums about these 3rd world kids on the eu botting d3 cause it's better income than a real job in their nation. So now that they have dismantled the eu rmah, they get to come here and sell their 250 vit ik chest for 3 dollars and eat for a week. Obviously exaggerations and such involved, but you understand I hope
So an EU player is a 3. world player right away? Or what do you mean? Please if you don't know about something don't make such statements. I've met Americans who would scam for 5 dollars because thats how cheap ass ppl they were. I could run around telling most Americans are like that, but it wouldn't be true. I don't like if ppl generalize. Anyway if you ask me I don't have the intention to ruin your market also I don't have the intention to sell items way under price... in the end we all want nice money.
And its not about what we like or don't like anyway. Its a market and if things change you have to react or you fall behind with profits or cant make any profits at all.
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No, the issue is, as I see it at least, that there ARE 3rd world nations in Europe. I really don't want some guy from moldova undercutting me by 90% because it's still relevant for him at that point. It's just such a giant region, it incorporates incredibly strong economies and all the way down the ladder. Sure there are Americans who live in poverty and ignorance, I agree, but they aren't botting diablo
(nor would cost of living in America make it relevant for them too, regardless of their plight). I understand it came off highly egotistical/prejudice, and in the one case responding to the idiot a few posts up, it was intended, on the whole though, I apologize to be offensive. I'm really not a biggot, it's just business and practical. I don't desire the same blights that ruined your region to effect mine, preservation is a natural instinct. Oh well, we shall see what happens!
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Herp Derp i am 3dr wordszz countries in Eropez bearly spoking english comingz to still fwat moneyz from Amuricanzas.
Seriously do you even think that the guys using DB are the one dictating the economy and price?? While we do influence it i can't imagine we have such a huge impact. I am willing to bet my laptop that the usual Chinese guys are running the shit.
And the poor third world countries like mine just have more staying power in the gold selling market because we are closer to China in income and salary than ze mighty Murica. That said we are not at the same level as them and they will long outlast us.
Also saying that living in East Europe is cheep as dirt is a plain lie. Here is a comparison chart for prices my country Bulgaria and 1-st world countries in the Euro zone.
Average cost of electricity: 100 euro per month compared to 30-50 euro for Berlin. Source: http://www.toytowngermany.com/lofi/index.php/t103314.html
Average gas per liter: 1,1 Dollars for Germany compared to 1,2 Euro for my Country. Source Gas Prices
Average price for food: Roughly the same as in my country. Source http://www.numbeo.com/cost-of-living/country_result.jsp?country=Germany
Medium Salary: 2,100 Euro compared to 400 Euro in my country. Source http://www.numbeo.com/cost-of-living/country_result.jsp?country=Germany
So pardon the off-topic but saying that third world countries in Europe have it cheap is plain wrong. So ye its very beneficial for us to bot.
Also i find the huge difference in living standards in europe the reason why the economy in D3 is slower and weaker. There are allot less ppl that can justify buying pixels. I cant think of anyone besides UK,Germany,France, Italy, Netherlands that would buy stuff.
Seriously do you even think that the guys using DB are the one dictating the economy and price?? While we do influence it i can't imagine we have such a huge impact. I am willing to bet my laptop that the usual Chinese guys are running the shit.
And the poor third world countries like mine just have more staying power in the gold selling market because we are closer to China in income and salary than ze mighty Murica. That said we are not at the same level as them and they will long outlast us.
Also saying that living in East Europe is cheep as dirt is a plain lie. Here is a comparison chart for prices my country Bulgaria and 1-st world countries in the Euro zone.
Average cost of electricity: 100 euro per month compared to 30-50 euro for Berlin. Source: http://www.toytowngermany.com/lofi/index.php/t103314.html
Average gas per liter: 1,1 Dollars for Germany compared to 1,2 Euro for my Country. Source Gas Prices
Average price for food: Roughly the same as in my country. Source http://www.numbeo.com/cost-of-living/country_result.jsp?country=Germany
Medium Salary: 2,100 Euro compared to 400 Euro in my country. Source http://www.numbeo.com/cost-of-living/country_result.jsp?country=Germany
So pardon the off-topic but saying that third world countries in Europe have it cheap is plain wrong. So ye its very beneficial for us to bot.
Also i find the huge difference in living standards in europe the reason why the economy in D3 is slower and weaker. There are allot less ppl that can justify buying pixels. I cant think of anyone besides UK,Germany,France, Italy, Netherlands that would buy stuff.
loolooll so much hate this guy probably has a mental illness or smth an d is probably from a thirld world country himself .
it's called free market mofo look it up . anyone can sell to whatever they want and i doubt anyone would undercut with 90% and even if that was the case tough luck
botters ruin eu economy as much as botters ruin us economy
plsban (see the joke here
) this racist fuk
it's called free market mofo look it up . anyone can sell to whatever they want and i doubt anyone would undercut with 90% and even if that was the case tough luck
botters ruin eu economy as much as botters ruin us economy
plsban (see the joke here
) this racist fukTrue, one huge difference between Western-EU and Mid/Eastern-Eu countries is that while in Western-EU you can make enough money to live a normal life (pay bills, eat good food, spare some money, enjoy life a bit) then in East living costs are nearly same and ppl earning 1/4 of that in W-EU. Its a good comparison you posted.
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Btw the guys who scammed for 5$-10$ were from d2jsp Bar&Pub forums... Anyway I can only pity such a person.
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I wonder how hard it is for a player in Latin or South America (who have their own RMAHs with local currencies, like Mexican peso, Brazilian Real etc.) to access US RMAH and trade for USD instead of MXN or BRL. If a player in Eastern Europe can do it then certainly its even more easier for a player in Mexico. It this case i don't think that argument about "Eastern Europeans ruining EU RMAH with their greed" is valid. The reason for the D3 economy falling apart is obviously different.
There is only a little group of people who are still willing to buy pixels in a dead game for real cash. And this group is dwindling in numbers by the minute (whether its US or EU).
The prices for IK chest pieces are dropping? What do you expect if there is no in-game sink for these items and their amount is steadily increasing over time while the amount of active players is shrinking? Plus the fact that EUR > USD, while prices for gold are set as if both currencies are of equal value.
I'm genuinely surprised that the economy in this game lasted so long without major content patches. Seriously, plsdontban have you expected the prices on RMAH to remain stable until add-on will come out?
If anyone is to blame here then its Blizzard with their total failure to implement proper PvP, failed itemization system from Day 1, complacency towards rampant duping of gold/items and their rigid policy regarding new content updates for games that don't have a subscription fee. This alone contributed to the rapid shrinking of player base and subsequent demise of D3 economy more than any amount of botters could have ever accomplished.
There is only a little group of people who are still willing to buy pixels in a dead game for real cash. And this group is dwindling in numbers by the minute (whether its US or EU).
The prices for IK chest pieces are dropping? What do you expect if there is no in-game sink for these items and their amount is steadily increasing over time while the amount of active players is shrinking? Plus the fact that EUR > USD, while prices for gold are set as if both currencies are of equal value.
I'm genuinely surprised that the economy in this game lasted so long without major content patches. Seriously, plsdontban have you expected the prices on RMAH to remain stable until add-on will come out?
If anyone is to blame here then its Blizzard with their total failure to implement proper PvP, failed itemization system from Day 1, complacency towards rampant duping of gold/items and their rigid policy regarding new content updates for games that don't have a subscription fee. This alone contributed to the rapid shrinking of player base and subsequent demise of D3 economy more than any amount of botters could have ever accomplished.
So many false statements.
Gas cost in germany is much higher than you posted before, try that one: http://www.benzinpreis-aktuell.de/ (you stated 1,1 $ where its more like 1,40? and upwards)
I pay 120? for electricity per month living in Berlin.
Food price is higher than in Bulgaria, though you can buy the cheapest crap out there...but who actually does that? Travelling frequently to Bulgaria I know that for fact.
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scammers come from all over the world we even have some here on the forum right Borhot88. So that part isent regional.
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This is probably the truth. The Chinese are extremely efficient at destroying economies, whether it be manufacturing or D3 gold botting. We need tariffs and other means to somehow block the Chinese and their trillions of hand farmed gold entering the market every day and killing prices. Let's brainstorm some ideas people, US and EU need to band together to fight off CHINA!
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Question -- if it's so difficult to make profit on the EU side, why continue to complain about how difficult it is... Instead, why don't you learn how to bot and sell on the US RMAH? Also, when I lived in europe, a lot of the price is offset by a few things.
For gas prices: The majority of euro vehicles come with a diesel engine. Diesel engines = more MPG = offsetting your gas costs. When I lived in Germany, my cost per liter was well over 2 euro.
Price of food: Better quality food in most countries I'd gone into -- even at "fast food" restaraunts.
Electricity: Many home owners bought solar panels for their homes. Excess energy can be SOLD BACK to the electric companies.
Currency value: 1 Euro = 1.30 USD
Sorry, but done smartly, you can easily save and make more than the average "Amuricanzas" on living expenses. If it is so difficult for you to make money off of this, why do you continue to do so? Get an education, move to a different country, and get a better job. Plain and simple.
No offense, but it seems like a typical un-knowledgeable Euro rant to try to talk smack on an American.
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The majority of the Chinese sites are just middlemen lol (and it's hardly "hand farmed"). Typically when you make an order now, they match the buyer with a gold seller and cut a percentage off the top. That's why you don't instantly receive the gold (it takes "15-30 minutes to process").
The funniest thing is, the world continues to ruin the virtual economies
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loolooll so much hate this guy probably has a mental illness or smth an d is probably from a thirld world country himself .
it's called free market mofo look it up . anyone can sell to whatever they want and i doubt anyone would undercut with 90% and even if that was the case tough luck
botters ruin eu economy as much as botters ruin us economy
plsban (see the joke here
lol -- a country is not a race -- fyi
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What did Borhot88 do?