Rebornbuddy store

[Wantmymoneyback]

I have seen several posts debating if Reborn should have a store or not let's find out what the community thinks once and for all! I think they need to get the ball rolling on this matter it would lead to more forum support for one thing i.e waiting 4 days from a developer for an answer is not fun for anyone . Bigger Better profiles. Advanced combat routines that use more then 2 attacks... which is all i can find since i have started using reborn. Ultimately enhancing the user experience in game. Attracting experienced profile/plugin/cr specialist to relieve some pressure off of the few great ones RB has at the moment. idk this is just mah 2 cents. Below is a poll for the RB division to base numbers off of what people think/feel!
Straw Poll

 

[enkae7317]

IMO I think they should have a store. It allows for developers to be appreciated fiscally for their hard work. It also pushes people to create more plugin and bot bases quicker and thus results in RB being more developed.

Lastly, for all you naysayers out there, you don't have to buy anything from the buddystore if you don't want to. Nobody is forcing you to do anything. The RB store can only mean good for the community and RB itself.

 

[Wheredidigo]

Reborn Buddy Store

There has already been a poll to see if the community wants a Store. It seems like it's an overwhelming response of yes. In the long run, I still don't think it will matter because of the way Bossland does business with the Developers that are currently on the Store, but that's just my 2 cents.

 

[MasterKilj]

I think any poll that supports a store should be taken with a grain of salt. Anyone with an account that does not even use rebornbuddy can come on here and fluff their count if they are hoping for another cash grab extravaganza with 2 hour crap code. No thanks and if anyone else is smart they will see the disaster for what it is and oppose it as well. I have already sent my private messages and emails as feedback to the powers in charge with my feeling and reasoning on this topic. It actually shrunk the dev pool releasing new additions to honorbuddy because of the cash shop.

 

[Wantmymoneyback]

I think any poll that supports a store should be taken with a grain of salt. Anyone with an account that does not even use rebornbuddy can come on here and fluff their count if they are hoping for another cash grab extravaganza with 2 hour crap code. No thanks and if anyone else is smart they will see the disaster for what it is and oppose it as well. I have already sent my private messages and emails as feedback to the powers in charge with my feeling and reasoning on this topic. It actually shrunk the dev pool releasing new additions to honorbuddy because of the cash shop.

With all respect man i understand but as of right now i am unable to find a decent CR Have not been able to use the 1-50 fishing profile I am just not having a great expierience w/ reborn. When i was using HB and the HB store there were many well supported profiles that were rated by users to avoid buying a junk one i feel people are just scared of change but i think it'stime

 

[Naroom]

The issue that I find with that reasoning is that people need to have bought the plugin/profile to be able to rate it accurately, meaning that if it is crap, people need to have spent money on that said crap, and that just leaves a bad taste in everyone mouth.

 

[phdchristmas]

Reborn Buddy Store

There has already been a poll to see if the community wants a Store. It seems like it's an overwhelming response of yes. In the long run, I still don't think it will matter because of the way Bossland does business with the Developers that are currently on the Store, but that's just my 2 cents.

Can't put overwhelming into account if the number of users among all the users that didn't vote arent taken into account. So what? 2,000-8,000 users havent voted at all? Making the poll no contest. So for all we know majority of votes could have been developers. A valid poll would exclude all developers and restricted to only users, since THEY are the ones spending the money.

The issue that I find with that reasoning is that people need to have bought the plugin/profile to be able to rate it accurately, meaning that if it is crap, people need to have spent money on that said crap, and that just leaves a bad taste in everyone mouth.

the problem with that, a handful of people need to bite the bullet and be among the first to pay and then rate it.

 

[Wantmymoneyback]

in this poll where you are only allowed to vote once per ip. also 75% have said yes so far and as far as biting the bullet you have to start somewhere it will do far more good for this program and it's users and make this bot worth it's weight because atm content is lacking let's face the facts

 

[qq12345]

Can't put overwhelming into account if the number of users among all the users that didn't vote arent taken into account. So what? 2,000-8,000 users havent voted at all? Making the poll no contest. So for all we know majority of votes could have been developers. A valid poll would exclude all developers and restricted to only users, since THEY are the ones spending the money.



the problem with that, a handful of people need to bite the bullet and be among the first to pay and then rate it.

isnt there a refund function? i recall reading about it.

 

[Wantmymoneyback]

Yes there is a refund option but if you refund it you are unable to repurchase in the future

 

[MasterKilj]

With all respect man i understand but as of right now i am unable to find a decent CR Have not been able to use the 1-50 fishing profile I am just not having a great expierience w/ reborn. When i was using HB and the HB store there were many well supported profiles that were rated by users to avoid buying a junk one i feel people are just scared of change but i think it'stime

I believe we are going to be at an impasse. I do not want a buddy store and you and some other people do. I will continue to give my input but as we both can agree it is ultimately up to the buddy team and Mash probably has the most say in it and he has given his opinion on the issue for now. So things will head to a direction that it does. Just remember SE will eventually have no choice but to deal wtih us the way Blizzard is dealing with us if RB creeps unto the scene on what will rile up the players against us. That is not even considering how much of a ride alot of snake oil sale people if the store is implemented the same lame way it is on HB.

 

[Tryana]

Coming from HB, i realy did like the store, there was so much stuff available, and most of the more expensive stuff had trials you could test for a few days.
I'd be happy to support some devs for some good CR and the likes

 

[Cyanide]

I believe we are going to be at an impasse. I do not want a buddy store and you and some other people do. I will continue to give my input but as we both can agree it is ultimately up to the buddy team and Mash probably has the most say in it and he has given his opinion on the issue for now. So things will head to a direction that it does. Just remember SE will eventually have no choice but to deal wtih us the way Blizzard is dealing with us if RB creeps unto the scene on what will rile up the players against us. That is not even considering how much of a ride alot of snake oil sale people if the store is implemented the same lame way it is on HB.

I'd much rather stay under the radar than having fancy profiles and being worried about getting banned. When I played WoW I was always worried about the imminent ban. Currently I feel safe in ff. I'm not saying I won't get banned or that there isn't any risk, but it's a lot safer than botting in WoW. I'd like to keep it that way personally.

 

[Azoth]

I'd much rather stay under the radar than having fancy profiles and being worried about getting banned. When I played WoW I was always worried about the imminent ban. Currently I feel safe in ff. I'm not saying I won't get banned or that there isn't any risk, but it's a lot safer than botting in WoW. I'd like to keep it that way personally.

While I can understand the sentiment, I can't say I agree with it. Its being afraid of progress based on what-if future possibilities, and there's already way too much of that in the real world. Idiots will be banned regardless of how many or few features the bot has, and its no reason for the rest of us to intentionally handicap ourselves.
More to the point, keep in mind that RB is by no means the only FFXIV bot. Even if your point is accurate, unless you can enforce the same rules on every other bot it'll be pointless. Reasonable caution is one thing; there's a list of 'features' that RB chooses not to implement (like various hacks) because of the increased chance of detection, but other bots are not so far-sighted. Not moving forward out of overblown fear is quite another, and if anything, it'll just cause more people to use more advanced but much riskier competitor bots, likely causing the very situation you were trying to avoid in the first place.

 

[kyle09]

what im more afraid about the store is : you will see some people giving good stuff for a price that everyone can have, but at the same time, i'm 100% sure you will find some leech asking for huge cash for almost the same .
i dont mind paying 5-10 $ , i know the work it can be , and it worth it. but paying 100 $ + for a profile , no thanks.

Think at it , most of people playing games already pay 10$ every month for the game itself, + 5-10 $ for the bot , depending which they use. this not counting IRL stuff we need to pay. not everyone can afford to buy stuff from store. the good thing w/o a store is everybody is on the same line, and people share things. with a store, you'll have a ton of people left behind. and i can see all those greedy people puting their shit for a lot of cash

it will be double-edged

 

[Tryana]

The max price on the buddy store is 30 euros now. And i doubt people will try to sell horrible simple profiles for that.
And if you cant afford to pay 30 euro to buy something you like every now and then, there will still be free profiles, or make your own stuff.
It's great when people provide stuff for free, but when you spend hours and hours on creating and updating stuff you should get atleast rewarded.

Even the 10-15 page posts hardly have at least a thank you in it lol.

 

[MasterKilj]

While I can understand the sentiment, I can't say I agree with it. Its being afraid of progress based on what-if future possibilities, and there's already way too much of that in the real world. Idiots will be banned regardless of how many or few features the bot has, and its no reason for the rest of us to intentionally handicap ourselves.
More to the point, keep in mind that RB is by no means the only FFXIV bot. Even if your point is accurate, unless you can enforce the same rules on every other bot it'll be pointless. Reasonable caution is one thing; there's a list of 'features' that RB chooses not to implement (like various hacks) because of the increased chance of detection, but other bots are not so far-sighted. Not moving forward out of overblown fear is quite another, and if anything, it'll just cause more people to use more advanced but much riskier competitor bots, likely causing the very situation you were trying to avoid in the first place.

When we cross that road then I say we can deal with it. Only 3 bots worth mentioning exsist for FF 14. One is ran by a 3 man team and has gotten people banned countless times. One sells a private version to chinese farming companies and I feel it will remain inferior due to its main client being Chinese farm companies. Rebornbuddy has open API support, the backing of a major bot creator and is the most stable and sound of them all. That alone stands far beyond anything even remotely on the market. I have tried them all and Rebornbuddy is the best. The other two you can be gone for an hour and come back to crash after crash.

And your version of progress and mine are entirely different. You want a bot that lets you directly compete with people in pve/pve which is what most options in the buddystore offered. I am against directly being involved in pve and pvp because then it encroaches upon the gaze of the playerbase which could be riled up and force SE's hand. SE may not have major detection software but that may or may not change depending on the priority they set to defeat cheating. Botting and offering cheap prices on the market board and leveling characters because someone's time is limited is one thing but directly competing against other players is crossing a new line that honorbuddy crossed in early wotlk that made it well known to the mainstream wow players.

We do not need a store so selfish people can steal other people's code and dress it up as their own for resell does not sit well with me. I will not speak about the issue but a few well known devs who have sold items on the buddy store did steal someone else's code back when HB 2.0 first came out with wow and brought out a huge ugly side which drove away many devs who created superior addons for HB then 90% of what the store put out. The devs did it for free because they were learning and enjoyed other people who used their work and gave them credit and provided enhancements and assist with improving said addons. Not what we have now..

 

[Azoth]

When we cross that road then I say we can deal with it.

That's my exact point. If and when we get to a point where bot detection ramps up, we can deal with it then. Right now you're scared of something that might happen, at a threshold you can't see.
And I'm not necessarily arguing in favor of a Frontlines bot or Dungeon bot or w/e feature you think will cause problems. What I am arguing against is the notion that things are fine as they are. There's many areas that could benefit from increased developer activity without drawing much attention to the bot, be it CR or crafting or questing or TT or racing.

You keep bringing up HB over and over like a mantra, but the position of HB back then was different from RB now. RB has more to gain from the store now than HB did then, and I would expect that having had the experience of implementing the store the first time, we could do a better job of it this time around, and avoid much of that sleaziness you mentioned. I've said it before but I'll say it again, a good idea implemented poorly is not the same as a bad idea.

Outside of drawing new development, I'd like to see existing devs like Endus, Neverdyne, Kagami, Wheredidigo and others get compensation for the work they've done, if they so choose. You can dress up your reasoning against the store in whatever layers you want, but ultimately you're operating under the assumption and expectation that people will and should keep coding for us for free.

 

[Wantmymoneyback]

The current content for Rebornbuddy is mostly outdated or left unfinished if you give people the incentive to make money off of their work/profiles/plugins after they have reserved the rights to it the buddy team will look into the situation and if the code seems remotely similar they will remove it from the store(as far as stealing profiles goes). Which would make stealing profiles complicated. Long story short is based off of my pole and the one provided by the buddy team 70+% of users are ready for a store which is an overwhelming percentage leaving the other 25ish% still being able to use the basic free profiles currently available now. Nothing would change for the users who would not like to use the store. What would change is the people looking for more advanced profiles to have the option to look into the opportunity to purchase them from a store where typically a team will work on your profiles and plugins rather then what we have now which is one to two people working on profiles. The risk we all take with botting is a ban. The second you start your bot is the second you risk losing the account. I'm just trying to have a better experience personally while taking the risk that all of us are.

 

[MasterKilj]

No what I am saying is RB is for leveling and automated gathering. The moment you turn it into a bot vs human in pve/pvp that is where shit hits the fan. It has happened 7 times already in wow and once in ff 14. It happened 4 times in FF 11 so your naive nature I can understand but it has happened and will happen again. Botting is not for main stream people with weak stomaches and you think moving from wow to here is going to be a safe haven but yet you want bots to conform to a new line to cross when botting should not cross that line. I like RB the way it is. It does its job the BESt so bullshit on it being out dated and left unfinished. The project is being developed by a talented developer with the backing of the largest bot software creation team in all of mmo's. Some people can see a train wreck approaching if we get a buddystore. The only reason we would get a buddystore is to have pve/pvp made addons and while 90% of it will be a shit cash grab the rest will put bots out in the lime light which I frankly do not want.

And yes things will change. I believe the store will not happen because Hawker and Bossland are already planning to possibly remove pve and pvp oriented botting from HB. Something like that will trickle to RB and we will see a tightening of rules of what they will allow and not allow the bot to do.