Raidbuddy Concept

[Deathsmind]

Personally I liked PQR way better than I did HB. Better dps/survability with PQR. The person themselves could change whatever they wanted in the CR to adjust to each boss you did. You could change to aoe/single target instantly, if something couldnt be attacked for whatever reason, CCd you just switch to single target with the click of a button and single target until you can change to aoe again. With tanking this was amazing. I could put different AOE abilities up higher for certain fights to make sure I got the aggro I needed.

There is very little customization compared to PQR which i am disappointed about.

 

[Skeerrt]

My points- where possible outcomes... not what would happen...

and no I use lazy raider not Enyo.. and make my own profiles.. With the exception of kicks questing profiles... Enyos UI doesn't work with 4k/8k monitors, as the scale makes it very hard to pick your options.. its also on the store, so I can not modify it to suit my needs like I can with lazyraider..

Blizzard clearly has differnty view for combat bots compared to full on bots- as see with PQR where most users ended up with a 72hour suspension. (yes some got life bans toon)... HB users all got 6month bans no question asked...

So a user might have a better fight- if he was using a combat only bot... with the current ban- blizzard where not able to know if the user was using it for raiding only or a full on farming bot..

Botting is botting, and no matter what you are using its a violation of TOS and a ban either way. No one got a 72 hour ban, only 6 months. Don't feed the trolls

 

[eStaKooZa]

My points- where possible outcomes... not what would happen...

and no I use lazy raider not Enyo.. and make my own profiles.. With the exception of kicks questing profiles... Enyos UI doesn't work with 4k/8k monitors, as the scale makes it very hard to pick your options.. its also on the store, so I can not modify it to suit my needs like I can with lazyraider..

Blizzard clearly has differnty view for combat bots compared to full on bots- as see with PQR where most users ended up with a 72hour suspension. (yes some got life bans toon)... HB users all got 6month bans no question asked...

So a user might have a better fight- if he was using a combat only bot... with the current ban- blizzard where not able to know if the user was using it for raiding only or a full on farming bot..

dude, are you reading the replies of Nom?
or you don't understand them ?
or playing fool?

even i who's not even close to developing anything can understand his point of view...

just zip it

 

[HBfanboy1980]

This discussion is diverging because some peoples underlying priorities are different than other peoples. I was a person who until 1 year ago who played on a very powerful gaming computer. When I sold my house and moved to Florida last year I decided to live a more minimal lifestyle. Sold my PC, NAS, and put all my HDD and SSD in bags and stored them away for later. Now I play on an old laptop I bought at walmart a few years ago.

WoW is extremely playable on low graphics for me even in a raid with 20-25 people by hand.
WoW in almost unplayable for me in any group with more than 12-13 people with HB. 7-10fps is average.. most of you would consider than unplayable.
LFR is a consistent 7 fps average with HB normally. Its excruciating.
WoW has a 3-4 fps hit when using other options. I'm not promoting anyone as I strongly prefer HB. I know shit is complicated with all this, but it's really disheartening sometimes too as a customer.

Enyo/Lazyraider/Raidbot/Combat bot all performed differently especially depending on the routines complexity.

Some people want a combat rotation... yes like sxxx xxx, but the response can also be more like purerotation used to be...

I've seen some incredible rotations, but i have a hard time believing any of them can put out DPS at a higher iLvl/performance ration that it did at its peak. The complexity of routines has gotten out of hand. I know more features allows higher prices and it also allows you devs to focus on less separate products, but its hard as a customer when you are only picking between the best of good rather than the best of best.

 

[IGG]

what? raidbuddy?

how about questbuddy, pvpbuddy, grindbuddy, petbuddy, garissonbuddy etc.

It's like asking blizz to split wow to diff gamed

and it's also like saying: "we deserve ban 100500 times less than 24\7 fkn chinese goldfarmers"

 

[Xewl]

This thread is fucking stupid.

 

[Jerf]

I don't really care if the bot I use has object/movement capabilities. I already was handling those by hand when raiding. However the power botters won't be able to use what I need for their needs and I'm not Bossland's typical customer.

If I were to bot again I would want, at a minimum:

1) 64bit client

2) no mouse click usage

(red flags, and I'm sure people are going to continue saying they aren't, they are ... if I wanted to detect Honorbuddy including people who use it just for routines I'd just write a SQL statement that detected 32bit usage along with mouse-click being enabled, especially regularly enabled/disabled, and then put that list of users into the investigation pile)

3) User-configurable "noise" in the routine. Random number of screw ups on rotation, random pauses and pre-clicks.

4) Direct keyboard input. Ie, I map all my abilities to specific keybinds and I build my rotation manager based on the keys I bind.


... Much of the above could be done by also using a screen scraper. It would work like some of the older bots:

a) bot user tells the bot which part of the screen has procs/buffs/debuffs and range indicator (and you could use addons like SunnArt to give that region a black background to prevent issues with transparency causing pattern recognition problems)

b) bot user defines which keys map to which abilities

c) scrape the screen (ie, read what is being displayed)

d) use keypresses to activate abilities like AutoHotkey

e) bot user does everything else regarding movement and AOE placement


It could even be abstracted to where the program ran inside a VM and made keypresses to the host machine through network connections. Thereby removing all traces of the bot program except for a very small network client that could easily be obfuscated.


Would performance be optimal? Nope. But optimal performance is also a red flag. Would it be a completely different bot from Honorbuddy? Yep.


Do I expect Bossland is going to do such a product? Nope. It is very different from their current focus. Is it worthy for someone else to look at? Yep.

 

[borim]

i dont care bout people using a bot for lfr to chill out. but using a bot to be competitive in raids or arena is massively weak. u seem to see things differently, but really guys. its just like pretending to be handicapped at the special olympics.

 

[IGG]

1) 64bit client

Stopped reading xD

 

[freebox]

i dont care bout people using a bot for lfr to chill out. but using a bot to be competitive in raids or arena is massively weak. u seem to see things differently, but really guys. its just like pretending to be handicapped at the special olympics.

I think I am in love you interested in a BROMANCE....

But really I think you hit it on the head.

 

[Trixiap]

I don't really care if the bot I use has object/movement capabilities. I already was handling those by hand when raiding. However the power botters won't be able to use what I need for their needs and I'm not Bossland's typical customer.

If I were to bot again I would want, at a minimum:

1) 64bit client

2) no mouse click usage

(red flags, and I'm sure people are going to continue saying they aren't, they are ... if I wanted to detect Honorbuddy including people who use it just for routines I'd just write a SQL statement that detected 32bit usage along with mouse-click being enabled, especially regularly enabled/disabled, and then put that list of users into the investigation pile)

3) User-configurable "noise" in the routine. Random number of screw ups on rotation, random pauses and pre-clicks.

4) Direct keyboard input. Ie, I map all my abilities to specific keybinds and I build my rotation manager based on the keys I bind.


... Much of the above could be done by also using a screen scraper. It would work like some of the older bots:

a) bot user tells the bot which part of the screen has procs/buffs/debuffs and range indicator (and you could use addons like SunnArt to give that region a black background to prevent issues with transparency causing pattern recognition problems)

b) bot user defines which keys map to which abilities

c) scrape the screen (ie, read what is being displayed)

d) use keypresses to activate abilities like AutoHotkey

e) bot user does everything else regarding movement and AOE placement


It could even be abstracted to where the program ran inside a VM and made keypresses to the host machine through network connections. Thereby removing all traces of the bot program except for a very small network client that could easily be obfuscated.


Would performance be optimal? Nope. But optimal performance is also a red flag. Would it be a completely different bot from Honorbuddy? Yep.


Do I expect Bossland is going to do such a product? Nope. It is very different from their current focus. Is it worthy for someone else to look at? Yep.

1) There is 64bit rotation bot - use it
2) Many old school users use click to move
3) In current state of WoW, you can just smash random buttons on keyboard and you will receive same things
4) Hard to sell product that you must configure for hours before using
a) Users want use their own addons, not specific addon to be able bot
b) Hard to sell product that you must configure for hours before using
c) same as a) different fonts, resolution etc.. also veeeery slow
d) Easy detectable
e) Enyo with disabled movement

 

[frosticus]

3) User-configurable "noise" in the routine. Random number of screw ups on rotation, random pauses and pre-clicks.

i don't bot so i can look like a scrub. i bot so i can break meters. button smashing perfection is a selling point, not a downside.

 

[HBfanboy1980]

Yea no offense Jerf, but that list is ridiculous. Go get a small business loan and hire a team of devs to build your own bot if that's what you want. Cause thats a whole different thing than HB. It would cost 200 euro for each license because of development and upkeep costs.