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i mean ... i know i`m not forced to buy combat routines ... but i kind of am ... i currently own 2 paid combat routines.
i have paid 40 euro`s for bouth of them. the thing is i like to play on all my classes and i kind of bot on all of them.
my question is, why are the combat routines SOOOOO DAMN EXPENSIVE ?
guys i know you wanna make money, but ... i don't know it feels like this is going against the community ?
i bought the bot ... i bought combat routines ... profiles ... i`m giving back you know and i really appreciate the effort you guys put into this.
but why so expensive ? can't you guys give us a break and lower the prices ? cause if i want to buy a combat routine for all my classes it will cost me a FORTUNE.

this might be only my opinion ... what do you guys think ? developers and users
 
How to explain this?

Well for one you want to make sure that not everyone uses the same routine to make it less detectable, same goes for some profiles.
Other reasons would be.. they're well made, constantly up to date and really.. 20$ / € isn't that much.

Yes, not everyone is working and not everyone can afford it spot on.

I mean, sheesh, they spend hours to create these, spend hours to make them some of the best that are out there.. nothing in the world is really for free.

"You need to sacrifice something in exchange to gain something"~
 
20 euros seems too expensive... for me personally and i work i make my own money. i also have bills ... rent ... family. if i should buy only 1 routine or 2 or 3 that would be acceptable. but if i want to buy for half of the classes in game not all ... thats gonna get really expensive and fast.
i mean i am not complaining here everybody has the right to sell their merchandise at the price they seem fit.
but in my personal opinion if the routines would cost 15 euro`s i would more then likely buy more then just 3 routines. so that would make you guys more money.
i am more then sure that i am not the only person thinking about this
 
I think people underestimate the time and effort it goes into making and supporting products. It becomes a part time job for some, and for others it's their full time job. If you want something cheaper, there are multiple resources to learn and develop your own CR's and profiles. I think the prices of the CR's is well deserved, they're probably one of the most complex pieces to the HB puzzle.
 
some of them are extremely well made. :) and they totally deserve their price. but like i said you guys should think at the amount of people that are not buying just because of that 5 euro difference. don't you think you would make more if you would lower prices by just a little amount ?
 
HB takes 50% cut of the price. So... yeah the prices will stay high.
 
I still think it's better to keep the prices high so that it keeps less detectable, since less people are buying it.
It seems kind of "contra-productive" in some peoples view but there are still enough people buying it that it's still worth for the devs.

You can take the same logic to the real world products. You can either go to a restaurant and buy a meal that costs you a fortune or buy the ingredients your self and cook it at home. The outcome MAY be the same but you can't deny that they probably have ingredients that you can't buy, so that it's still worth buying that god damn son of a heavenly made meal in that one god damn restaurant for just the feeling of satisfaction in your mind and stomache.. kinda went offtopic?

I think you get my point :D
 
mevip said:
i definetly did not knew that ... damn 50% ? wow ...
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I'm am almost positive it's 40% but yeah it is a considerable amount of money they take so obviously the developer has to adjust their price around that too.
 
would you apply the same logic to buying HB ? :) i don't think the owners would agree :D
 
The cut is 40% so that definitely is a factor in pricing. However it also boils down to what other people are saying, the less people, the less well known it is, and more exclusive it is. That also helps the developer nail down support issues, instead of having a bunch of minor issues that a lot of people want, they can focus on larger issues or features that a smaller group may want.
 
mevip said:
would you apply the same logic to buying HB ? :) i don't think the owners would agree :D
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Related to my post? I "could" create our use a different bot with less costs to it, but why would I?
Why would I want to mix my own coke if the effort to create it probably would take more time and money then if I'd just buy coke? Or worse, buy pepsi? :x
Better stick to Coke, Better stick to HonorBuddy. Tastes good, feels good and it does what it promises.
 
well ok then :) i guess it makes sense. i`m just sorry i will not be able to buy all the routines i need :(
 
Also I think TuanHA has or had(?) an "all CRs Pack" (with all CRs for all classes) which costs less then buying them individually?
 
its not on buddy store ... there is only one stupid CR that's free and does not do anything.
 
Hey,

I see your point, paying 20€ for a single class seems pretty much, but I believe this comes simply from not knowing how these prices come together.

So you already know the store cut is 40%, what you may don't know is you are also bound by contract to provide support and bugfixes for a product you are selling on the store, that support lasts either 18 months, or until a new expansion hits, whichever happens first. With that in mind, let me try to explain the pricing a bit further.

Let's assume you are a programmer, and code for a living (not especcially for honorbuddy, but beeing a software developer), so you are quite comfortable with coding, know how to fix bugs and stuff.
With that knowledge you might code the base of a CR in about 10-20 hours, depending how much you already coded for HB, and how much code you can reuse, finishing up that code, add some class specific stuff and things like that may take another 10 hours.
You are now at 30 hours time (I only can speak about myself, I have spent way more hours in my routines, but i would also not consider myself to be a fast coder).
remember this support thing i told you about earlier? let's for the sake of it assume a expansion only lasts for a year(which isn't the case as we all know), and let's also assume that you spent an hour per week on average fixing bugs, implementing user wishes, change routine stuff according to new class sets / trinkets / patchchanges (which is also more than a hour on average since sometimes you have to change whole routines around for a new set and patch)

a year has 52 weeks, so thats 52 hours plus the 30 for the initial code, we're at 82 hours of work now.
this does also not include all the knowledge a programmer must have, and im not talking about coding, thats his job, im talking about the knowledge in wow, he has to play the class he's providing a CR for in an out, has to read through theorycrafting, understand 3 sometimes 4 different specs, this is also time one has to spent..

back to the maths:
with a 40% cut, and 20 euro price, the developer get's 12€ per sale.
so, to get 15€ per hour which isn't really much for a coder you'd have to sell 103 routines over the course of a year.
but if you have a customerbase of over 100 users, you'd most likely spent more than a hour a week just by giving forum support.. so you might see where this is going.

I believe most of the users have no idea how much work it is to code and actually provide support for the projects they sell, in my opinion, 20€ sounds like much at the first glance, but if you were on the other side, coding that yourself, you would see that 20€ actually is a good price. Those developers also have bills to pay, may have a family to feed, most of them don't do this because they have nothing to do on their spare time, it's a job like every other job, and people want to get paid for the time they spent.

cheers, MoreCox
 
I have around $200 worth of crs for honorbuddy. Well worth the buy. I have created my own routines for other games and the time spent for money cost is well worth the price. Sometimes you can find deals but not anymore. I bought all of tuanha's routines for $40 a few years ago :)

I think of it like this. Knowing nothing about creating your own routines it may take you years to perfect that art. So 20 bucks isn't bad putting that into concideration.
 
Wow 40% cut from HB is robbery. I feel bad for the people selling stuff on the "buddy"store.
 
mevip said:
i mean ... i know i`m not forced to buy combat routines ... but i kind of am ... i currently own 2 paid combat routines.
i have paid 40 euro`s for bouth of them. the thing is i like to play on all my classes and i kind of bot on all of them.
my question is, why are the combat routines SOOOOO DAMN EXPENSIVE ?
guys i know you wanna make money, but ... i don't know it feels like this is going against the community ?
i bought the bot ... i bought combat routines ... profiles ... i`m giving back you know and i really appreciate the effort you guys put into this.
but why so expensive ? can't you guys give us a break and lower the prices ? cause if i want to buy a combat routine for all my classes it will cost me a FORTUNE.

this might be only my opinion ... what do you guys think ? developers and users
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Mevip my first question is what routines did you buy ? I will wait for your reply before continuing
 
i have spent about $300usd on routines and more than half of them haven't been updated in many months and just aren't usable.... so investing the money in the routines but not getting what you pay for is very frustrating... and HB management won't do anything about it....
 
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