Possible to get refund/win PayPal dispute after ban?

[Apruus]

i swear to god you dumb asses that get banned for botting then doing charge backs are really the scum of the earth you knew the risk take the blow and get back to it dont think you can justify your chargeback because you got banned in a broken game you do a charge back then buy the game again and get banned again really i mean no wonder the world is going to hell as said before scum of earth and should have demonbuddy keys REMOVED

The world is going to hell because people like you cant use a period. <------- that little dot is your friend.

 

[Jackie1234]

acutally charbacks and returns are legal. The ToS isnt a legal binding conract where PoS is. (point of sale) You have the right to return items for what ever reason with in 30days. IF you are banned with in 30days of botting there is nothing anyone can do. "ANY REASON". Now out side that 30day window it becomes different on how you purchased the item. if you payed with paypal you can charge back and get your money back no questions asked. Because the TOS, EULA are not legal binding contracts you are able to legaly get your money back. Yes you broke blizzards rules but you didnt break the law and they have no legal right to stop you from playing a game that you paid for. Now returning to a shop maybe harder. You may only beable to exchange it if it is after the 30 days.

 

[flexkres]

ONLY problem is that PayPal does not help you if you dont get what you payed for if it isnt a physical item. Intellectual property/non-physical objects are not covered.

 

[swolbyn]

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Not everyone can click a mouse a million times.

Who freaking cares man. Get over yourself typical marine ego bullshit.

 

[swolbyn]

ONLY problem is that PayPal does not help you if you dont get what you payed for if it isnt a physical item. Intellectual property/non-physical objects are not covered.

Wrong. I got a refund when i disputed H*llbuddy when they got ban waves. ( i didnt get banned i never used it, but didnt want to use it anymore after that)

 

[jimjohnson]

He's on a botting forum and keeps posting shit like this all the time, check his history. Newsflash son; you're breaking 90% of the rules blizzard makes you agree not to break by botting, get over yourself wanker.

news flash bitch check my history since 2002 on botting forums, I have the same stance. I never said I was doing anything wrong or right. You on the other hand feel that when you do get caught speeding you apparently should not get a ticket.

Go suck on your mommies titties some more.


All of you posting about doing chargebacks should just get a refund and kick them off the site, after they fail to win the chargeback from paypal for the digital download more then a few will try and get a chargeback on DB.

Unlike most of you bottom feeding trolls. (I am a troll just not same low class as you guys)

I like this thing called integrity, maybe if half of you ever tried it out you might find its a good thing.

 

[swolbyn]

news flash bitch check my history since 2002 on botting forums, I have the same stance. I never said I was doing anything wrong or right. You on the other hand feel that when you do get caught speeding you apparently should not get a ticket.

Go suck on your mommies titties some more.


All of you posting about doing chargebacks should just get a refund and kick them off the site, after they fail to win the chargeback from paypal for the digital download more then a few will try and get a chargeback on DB.

So let me get this straight. You are encouraging DB to steal from them to make up for them "stealing" from blizzard? Yeah, sound logic there. Nice morals

 

[jimjohnson]

acutally charbacks and returns are legal. The ToS isnt a legal binding conract where PoS is. (point of sale) You have the right to return items for what ever reason with in 30days. IF you are banned with in 30days of botting there is nothing anyone can do. "ANY REASON". Now out side that 30day window it becomes different on how you purchased the item. if you payed with paypal you can charge back and get your money back no questions asked. Because the TOS, EULA are not legal binding contracts you are able to legaly get your money back. Yes you broke blizzards rules but you didnt break the law and they have no legal right to stop you from playing a game that you paid for. Now returning to a shop maybe harder. You may only beable to exchange it if it is after the 30 days.

i really do not like this phrase but well


We have a bunch of low life piece of shit Indian Givers in this community apparently.

 

[jimjohnson]

Wrong. I got a refund when i disputed H*llbuddy when they got ban waves. ( i didnt get banned i never used it, but didnt want to use it anymore after that)

So let me get this straight. You are encouraging DB to steal from them to make up for them "stealing" from blizzard? Yeah, sound logic there. Nice morals

No I was referring to people like you who just above that posted how you basically ripped off hellbuddy. When it suits you, you will try and do the same to DB most likely.

 

[swolbyn]

No I was referring to people like you who just above that posted how you basically ripped off hellbuddy. When it suits you, you will try and do the same to DB most likely.

How is it ripping them off? I paid for a product that claimed warden protection. They clearly got nailed by warden (and reports of other devs stating that they had 0 warden protection), so it's false advertising. Didnt get the product I purchased. Period. It was also in the 30 day purchase window. You can get a refund pretty much for anything in that window on paypal.

 

[Jackie1234]

i really do not like this phrase but well


We have a bunch of low life piece of shit Indian Givers in this community apparently.

actually im well in my rights to return a product that i paid for that i can no longer use. Nothing moraly wrong. Blizzard actually doesnt have legal right to ban us for botting. The EULA and TOS are not legal binding. If a botter had enough money to take blizzard to court in the US he would win. Furthermore in the EU it has already been determined in court that the EULA and TOS are not binding and that blizzard cannot ban you. Recently it was pointed out that blizzard cannot ban you for selling your account because it is yours you own the serial key and everything attached to that account. the moment blizzard sells you that key they lose all rights to it it becomes your property. They cant prevent you from playing the game you paid for. Or selling that account for that matter. Now no one has taken them to court in the US so this doesnt apply there yet, but it doesnt mean their EULA or TOS is legal binding there is just no precedent "YET"

 

[jimjohnson]

actually im well in my rights to return a product that i paid for that i can no longer use. Nothing moraly wrong. Blizzard actually doesnt have legal right to ban us for botting. The EULA and TOS are not legal binding. If a botter had enough money to take blizzard to court in the US he would win. Furthermore in the EU it has already been determined in court that the EULA and TOS are not binding and that blizzard cannot ban you. Recently it was pointed out that blizzard cannot ban you for selling your account because it is yours you own the serial key and everything attached to that account. the moment blizzard sells you that key they lose all rights to it it becomes your property. They cant prevent you from playing the game you paid for. Or selling that account for that matter. Now no one has taken them to court in the US so this doesnt apply there yet, but it doesnt mean their EULA or TOS is legal binding there is just no precedent "YET"

They have the right to refuse service. If you spend 100$(fabricated amount) to get into Disney World, then you pull out a joint and smoke it, they have every right to ban you from the place. What you fail to understand is you purchased a game that requires Blizzard to spend money to upkeep(their own design)

Disney World Physical location
D3 Servers physical location

They have the legal right to refuse you service after you paid for admitance without the need to refund you as you broke a guide line they required you to follow. Nothing illegal about it, the fact that you think you are morally right. Is just down right sad.


In case you are to stupid to figure this one out. D3 bots are a huge bandwidth hog for Blizzard, specially when you sell stuff outside of RMAH, they get 0 compensation for the power/internet/support they paid for keeping the physical location of the servers maintained.



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You do realize just because something is not illegal does not make it legal or right?

 

[Jackie1234]

They have the right to refuse service. If you spend 100$(fabricated amount) to get into Disney World, then you pull out a joint and smoke it, they have every right to ban you from the place. What you fail to understand is you purchased a game that requires Blizzard to spend money to upkeep(their own design)

Disney World Physical location
D3 Servers physical location

They have the legal right to refuse you service after you paid for admitance without the need to refund you as you broke a guide line they required you to follow. Nothing illegal about it, the fact that you think you are morally right. Is just down right sad.

what you did there was compair something that is illegal to do and something that isnt illegal to do.

Disney cant ban me for using a hoverround to get around the park.(automation of walking)
just as blizzard cant legaly bann you from botting (automation of key input)

thats why Multiboxing got overturned. The guy that made Isboxer acutally went to court and beat blizzard. they where banning him and other multiboxers because of the multiboxing software was automating key imputs to other accounts attached to the 1 main account. Pressing 111111 doesnt translate into 123456 normaly so its automating that type of imput. But he won because he had the money to fight it in court. Same thing would happen if someone could afford to take blizzard to court over botting. we are not hacking their end of the game we are just automaitng normal key imput. Which we by all rights have the legal right to do. Now hacking their IP is against the law and they have the right to ban you for that. but botting no legal right.

 

[jimjohnson]

what you ddi there was compair something that is ilegal to do and something that isnt ilegal todo.

Disney cant ban me for using a hoverround to get around the park.(automation of walking)
just as blizzard cant legaly bann you from botting (automation of key input)

thats why Multiboxing got overturned. The guy that made Isboxer acutally went to court and beat blizzard. they where banning him and other multiboxers because of the multiboxing software was automating key imputs to other accounts attached to the 1 main account. Pressing 111111 doesnt translate into 123456 normaly so its automating that type of imput. But he won because he had the money to fight it in court. Same thing would happen if someone could afford to take blizzard to court over botting. we are not hacking their end of the game we are just automaitng normal key imput. Which we by all rights have the legal right to do. Now hacking their IP is against the law and they have the right to ban you for that. but botting no legal right.

Ok Disney land (and medical weed is legal in the state of CA)

Link me the reference to Lax going to court and beating blizzard. Aslo you might want to do more research on that before you start talking out your ass.

 

[Jackie1234]

Ok Disney land (and medical weed is legal in the state of CA)

Link me the reference to Lax going to court and beating blizzard. Aslo you might want to do more research on that before you start talking out your ass.

Its on lax main page he talked about his court issues with blizzard.

Ive been multiboxing and using isboxer for years. just about ever since its been up and running. I use to Multibox BC and multiboxed Wotlk did my own 10man clears of Nax. I know the history i been banned for multiboxing and had it overturned. Lax's Legal issues with Blizzard are known.

 

[PapaBash]

Actually such a case you would even lose in germany. The first purchase with the ToS and Eula afterwards aren't legally binding, because you cannot know them by the time your purchased it.

Now tell a judge why the second one is not legally binding, because it will be. You have to understand one thing, the wrapper contract is not legally binding, because you have no way of knowing pre purchase. When you already went through all of that and purchase another one it becomes a completely different story.

You cannot use the product anymore, because you broke the ToS, as far as they are concerned they gave you your money's worth and your attitude just sucks. There is a huge scope between it is not illegal and finding justice doing something.

Seriously you guys are so desperate for cash it is disgusting to watch. I bet when you get chargebacked by goldpurchasers you like that too and you know what? They are in the green doing that too, it doesn't make it right.

 

[jimjohnson]

Another point,

when you go to court, they just need to say they provided you with a service, not a product.

Services are not treated the same as products, you keep acting like you have a product, they are offering you an entertainment service.

 

[Jackie1234]

Another point,

when you go to court, they just need to say they provided you with a service, not a product.

Services are not treated the same as products, you keep acting like you have a product, they are offering you an entertainment service.

what they say and what they acutally selling is up to a court to determine. they can say they are providing a service. but when in fact they are selling a product.

also about lax.

Some of you may not realize this, but there is a bit of legal history between me and Blizzard. You can find information on the internet if you really want, but the real point is that those days are long gone, and these days are much better for everyone involved. Blizzard wants more customers that they don't need to ban, I want customers that are not at risk of being banned, and, well, none of you want to get banned. That is win-win.

This is a quote of lax talking about D3 and multiboxing in the main forum on a sticky.

 

[Jackie1234]

Actually such a case you would even lose in germany. The first purchase with the ToS and Eula afterwards aren't legally binding, because you cannot know them by the time your purchased it.

Now tell a judge why the second one is not legally binding, because it will be. You have to understand one thing, the wrapper contract is not legally binding, because you have no way of knowing pre purchase. When you already went through all of that and purchase another one it becomes a completely different story.

You cannot use the product anymore, because you broke the ToS, as far as they are concerned they gave you your money's worth and your attitude just sucks. There is a huge scope between it is not illegal and finding justice doing something.

Seriously you guys are so desperate for cash it is disgusting to watch. I bet when you get chargebacked by goldpurchasers you like that too and you know what? They are in the green doing that too, it doesn't make it right.

I would like to point out i havent ever done a chargeback on a game when i have been banned in, I'm just saying that its legal to do so if you want to.

 

[swolbyn]

I would like to point out i havent ever done a chargeback on a game when i have been banned in, I'm just saying that its legal to do so if you want to.

For the record, neither have I. Only done a chargeback on a bot i preordered with certain expectations (advertised features) that turned out to be false. Never charged back a buddy product and never will.