Phelon's Playground - Support Thread

[boynextdoor]

whats everyones xp/hr at the moment?

I feel like a 4 man setup should be netting more xp than it currently is.

 

[Goldfox420]

@Phelon I noticed this is says it supports FlashFire Wizard but it plays it totally wrong. It spends way too much attention using electrocute when it shoudl only be using it once every 4 seconds if you have focus and restraint or just to maintain Tal Rasha's if not. The whole point of this build is to spam Explosive Blast once u have 4 stacks of Tal rasha, kill an elite and then tp around till you find another elite.

 

[Phelon]

@Phelon I noticed this is says it supports FlashFire Wizard but it plays it totally wrong. It spends way too much attention using electrocute when it shoudl only be using it once every 4 seconds if you have focus and restraint or just to maintain Tal Rasha's if not. The whole point of this build is to spam Explosive Blast once u have 4 stacks of Tal rasha, kill an elite and then tp around till you find another elite.

Use my latest update that I submitted today.

whats everyones xp/hr at the moment?

I feel like a 4 man setup should be netting more xp than it currently is.

I am avging about 181 Billion Exp per hour atm and I just broke into the top 100 Paragon this season for US.

 

[boynextdoor]

yeah im around the same. anywhere from 150-200B / Hr.

Thats terrible

ros bot dudes are solo gr'ing 250-350 b/hr

even with the strength in numbers buff we are way behind. Gonna give it another day or two then ill go solo bot.

 

[Rabbid]

I am avging about 181 Billion Exp per hour atm and I just broke into the top 100 Paragon this season for US.[/FONT]

Is this with the settings and gear you've posted on the OP? what GR lvl are you running? do you have augs into all gear? what aug do you suggest for the support classes? Primary stat, vit, or AR?

I am about 3.4M dps in town on my wizard.

What gear is this? I'm at 4.5m dps with stacks of everything :/

ros bot dudes are solo gr'ing 250-350 b/hr

proof?

 

[boynextdoor]

only proof I have are my buddies on team speak / friends list and my own friend who hasnt played in 3 weeks and is over 2k.

There is also a thread on the other forum taht I won't link where people post pictures of their xp/hr and their setups. You can look for it in the show off section.

 

[boynextdoor]

I think the reason why we are doing so poorly in relation to solo botters is that we are forced to move slowly throughout a rift to keep the team together.

You have to set the monk as lead if you want any hope of ever being in inner sanc, Then every time the monk moves a bit in a fight the wizard moves and isn't attacking or doing anything until it re-positions itself and with epiphany on the monk he can be moving all over the place. If you enable phelons playground, the wiz basically acts as a solo player and jumps all over the map creating density, in doing so it leaves inner sanc and other various party buffs. It tries to aggro for the party instead of letting the support skills do their job.

If you don't set the monk as the lead, then you have the wizard leading the group and hes not keeping up any buffs, just moves until he finds the appropriate amount of density to start the combat routine. Often procing before a fight even happens.

I did some changes on my own, removed the barb and ran a dh for lower grs. Wiz still never died with monk as lead, have more dmg buffs, but the xp / hour is still garbage. A solo bot can just spam teleport - find density - nuke it - move on. If the 4 man wizard were to do that it would leave the group in the dust, then it would have to fight mobs with 4x the hp and dmg all by itself.

If I raise the gr, im still not dying, even without the barb, but my dmg isn't really there because the bot has a terrible time at overlapping archon stacks. I edited the wizard file that had the part about (If chantodo > 19) or whatever it was. and I set it to 1 in hopes it wouldn't sit there getting 20 chantodo stacks everytime it went to fight. That worked, but still if the bot is in movement mode it won't cast archon even if you set the archon limit to 1 mob and cast off cooldown.

If you switch to tals vyrs, the bot pops archon off cooldown, but it won't manage tals stacks which is everything basically.

In the end, it comes down to the "scripts" being too difficult for your average gamer to make on their own, and the people who understand how to manipulate the bot don't actually understand the builds and how they play. Inevitably leading to failure.

 

[jcliu0]

hey Phelon could you add 5 Firebird 2 Vyrs build (using RoG) into this? its the top build for wizard at the moment.

 

[filleman]

Is there any way you can make this work phelon? this is the build everyone on the other forum is using to get insane exp/h

http://www.d3planner.com/577580864

 

[whyhuman]

Hey Phelon, sorry for the many questions, but where do i put the trinity settings you posted on page 1? and do you use Demonbuddy Release or Demonbuddy beta?

 

[BlueHat]

Thanks for the great work Phelon!

I was wondering whether you used autofollow or simplefollow for your 4 man team? If you use autofollow, do you use the standard configuration or do you change some settings around ?

 

[lordsiner]

@Phelon

these setings from first post are for with trinity? xxx.110? i noticed that on xxx.110 phelon playground doesnt work for my monk sup... also my Wizz is acting very strange...

 

[Phelon]

Is this with the settings and gear you've posted on the OP? what GR lvl are you running? do you have augs into all gear? what aug do you suggest for the support classes? Primary stat, vit, or AR?



What gear is this? I'm at 4.5m dps with stacks of everything :/




proof?

Rabbid the gear I linked in the first post is the same gear I use with Augments 80+. I do not post screens and I almost did not post my d3planner as I do not want to give too much info to Blizzard about me.

I think the reason why we are doing so poorly in relation to solo botters is that we are forced to move slowly throughout a rift to keep the team together.

You have to set the monk as lead if you want any hope of ever being in inner sanc, Then every time the monk moves a bit in a fight the wizard moves and isn't attacking or doing anything until it re-positions itself and with epiphany on the monk he can be moving all over the place. If you enable phelons playground, the wiz basically acts as a solo player and jumps all over the map creating density, in doing so it leaves inner sanc and other various party buffs. It tries to aggro for the party instead of letting the support skills do their job.

If you don't set the monk as the lead, then you have the wizard leading the group and hes not keeping up any buffs, just moves until he finds the appropriate amount of density to start the combat routine. Often procing before a fight even happens.

I did some changes on my own, removed the barb and ran a dh for lower grs. Wiz still never died with monk as lead, have more dmg buffs, but the xp / hour is still garbage. A solo bot can just spam teleport - find density - nuke it - move on. If the 4 man wizard were to do that it would leave the group in the dust, then it would have to fight mobs with 4x the hp and dmg all by itself.

If I raise the gr, im still not dying, even without the barb, but my dmg isn't really there because the bot has a terrible time at overlapping archon stacks. I edited the wizard file that had the part about (If chantodo > 19) or whatever it was. and I set it to 1 in hopes it wouldn't sit there getting 20 chantodo stacks everytime it went to fight. That worked, but still if the bot is in movement mode it won't cast archon even if you set the archon limit to 1 mob and cast off cooldown.

If you switch to tals vyrs, the bot pops archon off cooldown, but it won't manage tals stacks which is everything basically.

In the end, it comes down to the "scripts" being too difficult for your average gamer to make on their own, and the people who understand how to manipulate the bot don't actually understand the builds and how they play. Inevitably leading to failure.

Everything about this is wrong. The Barb pulls for the group and if your AF settings are not set correctly distance wise, the Wiz will pull for it. The wiz also tries to stack on the monk, although sometimes it thinks the monk is not there due to a caching issue I assume. I have fixed that though in my latest revision. If your bot can't get to 20 stacks before archon pops, you are doing it wrong in your spec or otherwise. RARELY unless on an RG do I have Archon pop with out being at 20 stacks. As for the GR's I am running 85's at 181bn exp per hour. IF you are not there then something is wrong. The only time it will pop Archon with out Tal Stacks is when it does not have any mana. Otherwise it will always cast EB and Blackhole first with Tal Vyrs.

What I want to see is your guys doing 85 doing everything you are describing and post your settings so I can have a look to see what is going on, because you are doing something completely different than what mine is doing.

hey Phelon could you add 5 Firebird 2 Vyrs build (using RoG) into this? its the top build for wizard at the moment.

It is supported. Just make sure you are on the latest SVN.

Hey Phelon, sorry for the many questions, but where do i put the trinity settings you posted on page 1? and do you use Demonbuddy Release or Demonbuddy beta?

You can just click IMPORT on the bottom of the Trinity Beta to import the correct settings =)

Is there any way you can make this work phelon? this is the build everyone on the other forum is using to get insane exp/h

http://www.d3planner.com/577580864

I can look into it, but aren't they using that with the firebird exploit?

 

[Phelon]

Thanks for the great work Phelon!

I was wondering whether you used autofollow or simplefollow for your 4 man team? If you use autofollow, do you use the standard configuration or do you change some settings around ?

I use Autofollow with my own modifications. I need to pester XZ to add my changes to AF.

@Phelon

these setings from first post are for with trinity? xxx.110? i noticed that on xxx.110 phelon playground doesnt work for my monk sup... also my Wizz is acting very strange...

Always use the latest beta from the SVN. That way you will always be up to date.

yeah im around the same. anywhere from 150-200B / Hr.

Thats terrible

ros bot dudes are solo gr'ing 250-350 b/hr

even with the strength in numbers buff we are way behind. Gonna give it another day or two then ill go solo bot.

There is no way they are doing 250-350bn per hour with RoS Bot. Unless they can post a 30+ run average with that, I do not believe it. I can show you logs of mine with 400bn+ after one run, but that doesn't mean shit really.

 

[boynextdoor]

I get what you're saying phelon. and im not here to argue. but this is exactly what im talking about in regards to not knowing how to play these builds:

"If your bot can't get to 20 stacks before archon pops, you are doing it wrong in your spec or otherwise. RARELY unless on an RG do I have Archon pop with out being at 20 stacks. "

You don't want and or need to hit 20 stacks before archon pops...... pretty much ever in low gr. Maybe for the very first elite you find, but thats about it.

My bot hits archon before the 20 stacks because of the insane cdr and attack speed of my character - plus in-geom. No sense using furnace in low grs as you actually kill elites slower with furnace than you do with massive amounts of archon stacks. I've tried furnace and in-geom with the setup and the ingeom out performs it. Thats what you want. thats really good. You don't want to sit around and get 20 stacks every single time you want to re-launch archon, you want to immediately pop archon the 2nd 3rd 4th 5th 6th time you do it. You want those archon stacks from the swami to overlap as often and as much as possible. Each time you pop archon after the previous you should have a higher base line archon stack from swami because in the previous archon transformation you have more damage, killed more monsters, gained more stacks. This means you will exponentially grow your damage as the rift progresses, leading up to those one-shot the rift guardian moments you get what you play live not botting.

I hate to break it to you but if youre waiting for 20 chantodo stacks before each and every archon you're doing it wrong

However good job preserving the crusader script from last season. Was running 65s, no augments, 1 rift 1 gr to preserve keys, and got 125b/hr trying to upgrade level 0 gems. this was starting with a level 0 boyarski because I used the previous one I had to augment my twister wizard.

 

[Phelon]

What GR are you running and why are you running low level GRs?

I have 60% CDR and when in a group of mobs I am around 80-95% atk speed and I always hit 20 before I hit Archon being ready. But let's talk about Archon stacks and Swami. You are saying that every time you go from Swami Buff to Archon that then sets your Archon buff at the Swami level and goes up from there? Do you have documentation on this anywhere? Because the only time I EVER one shot something is when I am at Max Chantodoo's with an over lap from an Archon. If I am not at max Chantodoo's with 4pc Tals and Blackhole I definitely can not 1 shot. BUT if you can find me documentation backing this up, I will program for it. So provide me some documentation and I will get to coding.

 

[Dogder]

Hey Phelon,

I've been using your supp barb build for self playing a few times, as it casts all the spells automaticly, i had to change a bit, to make it stop casting ancient spear+charge, as i wanted to do that myself.
All i need it to do is cast Threatening Shout, War Cry, Ignore Pain when off cd. So simple. Then i can use it when playing manually in really high GR's.
My 2 questions is:

1. Is it possible to make it only use abilities when in a rift?
2. Is it possible to make it only cast Ignore Pain if mage is alive and close? (or all 3 people are close) as it wont cast it when im too far away from others.

Thanks for your nice Work.

 

[Vevio]

Hi , I have the latest trinity, how do I activate phelons playground ? I read somewhere it was a option under trinity config - advanced ? but I dont see the words phleon playground anywhere.

also if I want to play one of the specs listed on the first page of this thread, do I just copy and paste the text page that opens up when clicking the link ?

If so wherre do I paste them into ?

Thank you

 

[whyhuman]

What class do you use as leader? so far it seems to work best with Monk as leader, but then my wizard wont attack til there is a group(10-15+) of mobs? so i just wanted to ask who you use

 

[jcliu0]

Hey Phelon, when I use your bot for firebird6/vyr 2 piece build, I don't see the bot using Archon Off CD, could you help adjust that?

also could you make it so it spams 1 for fire blast no matter what other than when in town and or going to town? trinity seems to have bug for me when going to destroy destructible for me at the moment.

Am I able to bot higher GR with this Firbird/vyr build?
Since the detection for the burn debuff is now implanted would it possible to walk away from the ignited elites for maximum damage?

just an addition, sometimes the bot uses slow time and other times it doesn't while in archon, any ideas why?