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Parts for new PC (what to think about)

Kickazz006 said:
The 650w will work, you don't need a 1000w - but i'd get a 750w. Just keep the 650w until it burns up
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It wont 'burn up' the way you are suggesting. It's more than enough to power the system... It wont burn out or anything - the 650W PSU failure that you had could of just been a failure in its circut (which happens after many years or just out of nowhere), not that it can't give all the power required (if that was the problem it wouldn't brake and stop working, it would just crash your computer and ruin performance by a VERY large margin)
 
One last question before i buy the Pc.
Will it be any bad effects if I use a 42" LCD TV 3ms (Full HD 100Hz) plugged in with a HDMI cable as a screen?
 
Not necessarily. The refresh rates on most cards is set to 60hz by default (software wise). Unless you plan on using a large resolution (more than 1920x1080) it won't strain the GPU too much. However the smaller the resolution, the less pixels it will have to refresh and the less load there will be on the GPU.

As for the setup you linked, it's a decent build but I'm not sure it's fit for what you want to do with it.

- The i7 2600k is good, but slightly overkill. an i5-2500k reaches similar performance for a lot less money, and you won't notice the difference. the i7 has a slightly higher clockspeed but mostly it uses hyperthreading where the i5 does not. This only matters if the application using the processor specifically uses that option for multithreading (think adobe & exclusive software you can't get unless pirated).

- 8GB DDR3 is not bad but go with 12/16 if you want the option to expand in the future. RAM is dirt cheap atm, and a little more can't hurt.

- Personally I would get them to swap the OCZ SSD out for a crucial M4. OCZ is a semi-budget brand, and the performance they claim their disks have can never be reached unless very specific conditions are met. Not to mention it uses a lot more watts than most SSDs. a Crucial M4 has better performance in general and more reliability, for just a few bucks more.

- The normal harddisk is large, but runs at 5400 rpm which affects the smoothness of the bots aswell. This isn't a problem if you're just browsing some pictures or whatever but running that many applications at a time from the same disk will result in slow/stuttering clients (think loading screens, areas with lots of graphics, etc).


You will also save a considerable amount of money if you put it together yourself. Doing this will save you at least 100 bucks, and its completely overrated to have a tech do it for you. Putting it together will take you no more than a few hours if you're inexperienced. there are many great (video) guides out there on how to do it step by step.

Not paying a store to do it, including a cheaper windows license will be able to afford you additional RAM memory or keep some money in your pocket.

It is ofcourse still your money. However if I had your budget I'd make those changes, if not build it from scratch. :)
 
thnx for the reply!
I wont have time to buy pieces and build my own computer because I will be tranfering to an other city where i will go to university for 3 years. I will be needing a good computer because i will be studying game programming.

this is the computer i will be buying Gamer God Zeus | Alina.se , it has i7 3770K and some other minor stuff that is better then the other one i linked. I will still let them change the graphic card to Sapphire Radeon HD 7970 3GB GDDR5 | Alina.se , add 8 GB RAM, and some PSU-effekt. I cant seem to find other SSD's on the website because they are sponsored by OCZ but i can check with them.
 
I would say you have a very good machine with those changes :)

As for the processor, here is a short benchmark (it's in dutch, but you should get the general idea): 1-Generic performance - 2-Gaming Benchmark.
the OCZ isn't necessarily all bad, but in general they aren't very well known for their reliability. So if you have the chance to swap it or leave it out entirely then I would advise that. If not its still an SSD lol

Best of luck with the programming. Game programming is a difficult kind.. Lots of people with bots around and stuff ;)

edit: just to add, the i7-3770k is virtually identical in performance to the i5-2500k/i7-2600k as you can see in the benchmarks. If the price difference isnt massive the ivy bridge will be supported for a longer period of time, whereas the sandy bridge is no longer being shipped as of this summer. the ivy bridge is however up to 20% more energy efficient because of its structure. thats why its more fitting for a botting pc as it will be turned on for long periods of time.
 
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I see you've been linked to my New PC thread - I am very satisfied with the build I ended up with, and it's working like a charm.

2 Diablos, 2 Demonbuddys, 1 Skyrim at Ultra High Quality and rig been on for 72 hours without break -> 28 CPU, and 56 Degrees.

Only thing I regret is the power supply - I got a 1200W one, which is insanely overkill, don't do that. I dunno why I did it, personally I blame Kick ;-)

EDIT: Oh, and the price for the rig you linked seems to be through the roof.. There would be a lot to safe, if you knew anyone who could put it together for you.
 
is AMD FX-6100 (3.3G) better than i5-2500 for D3?
what video card do you suggest - for boting only

thanks
 
does it follow that the more processing core the better it is for multi games i.e. 8 d3 running simultaneously on 8 core? thanks
 
Personally I would always get a processor with less cores but a higher clockspeed, but I don't use my pc exclusively for botting. Yes having more cores is useful for a multi-game setup, but a processor with a higher clockspeed and less cores might yield similar results while still being useful in several other scenarios.

Not to say an 8 core processor isn't useful, but most software and games don't utilize all the cores (per client). Most software nowadays uses 2-4 cores, which in an 8 core generally have a lower clockspeed thus slower response. So in the end it comes down to what the system will be designed for. If exclusively for botting and botting alone then I'd say go for an 8 core, if its your general livingroom-kitchen pc then you might want to look at less cores and a higher clockspeed.

As for the GPU, virtually anything that isn't motherboard-on board will do. Think single-GPU, preferably ATI if you'd like to save some money and grab a discount HD 6990 or an HD 7850-7950.
 
If you are paying that much then you might want to ask them to swap out the 2600k i7 for the new ivy bridge version. it wont be much more expensive but is worth it. If it costs more than 50euro extra then dont bother.
My advice is to build it yourself however as you could likely build that for 1200euro
 
thanks trueman! this helps
for the gpu the HD 6990 is a bit pricey
will the 6850 suffice?

thetrueman2 said:
Personally I would always get a processor with less cores but a higher clockspeed, but I don't use my pc exclusively for botting. Yes having more cores is useful for a multi-game setup, but a processor with a higher clockspeed and less cores might yield similar results while still being useful in several other scenarios.

Not to say an 8 core processor isn't useful, but most software and games don't utilize all the cores (per client). Most software nowadays uses 2-4 cores, which in an 8 core generally have a lower clockspeed thus slower response. So in the end it comes down to what the system will be designed for. If exclusively for botting and botting alone then I'd say go for an 8 core, if its your general livingroom-kitchen pc then you might want to look at less cores and a higher clockspeed.

As for the GPU, virtually anything that isn't motherboard-on board will do. Think single-GPU, preferably ATI if you'd like to save some money and grab a discount HD 6990 or an HD 7850-7950.
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will the specs below work? 5 simultaneous games? 8?

AMD FX-6100 3.3ghz Processor
Biostar –A960G Motherboard
Kingston 12GB DDR3 Memory
Corsair 120GB SSD Hard drive
ATX Casing with 600watts power supply
Palit GT220 1GB 128bit
 
axeman said:
will the specs below work? 5 simultaneous games? 8?

AMD FX-6100 3.3ghz Processor
Biostar ?A960G Motherboard
Kingston 12GB DDR3 Memory
Corsair 120GB SSD Hard drive
ATX Casing with 600watts power supply
Palit GT220 1GB 128bit
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first off why would you go with 12 gb of ram? Get a matched set of 4x4gb.
2nd those video cards are way old and outdated spend the $200 and get at least a 470+ or 550+ series nvidia card or the ati equivalent.


I can run 6 wows on my rig at once with 3 hbs up and the other 3 in isboxer with per running on those for some pop multibox zerg fest.

I have the amd 6 core process with the 990 chips mob from asus.
8gb of ram.
1tb 32 mb cache hdd
Gtx470 video card.
650 watt psu.
My cpu cooler is one of those no maintance corsair watercoolers. My clu is oc'd to 4.2 Hz and stays below 50c


Most important thing to keep in mind is mists of panda turds will be coming out soon. So try to spend extra money on the video cards. If you can try to get like a 580 ti or the new 600 series with at least 2gb ddr5. This will make your comp at least ready for a couple of years.

Because i know i have to upgrade my video cards/hdd/ram before mop releases and hb gets updated
 
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OK how about the setup below ?

Asus GTX560 DC 1gb ddr5 256bit - mobo
AMD FX6100 -cpu
120gb Intel Sata3 SSD
Gigabyte MA770T-UD3 AMD770/VSL
Kingston Hyper X memory 8gb (1600C10D3B1/8G) 1x8
Thermaltake LitePower (700w)
 
I would recommend a bigger psu. At least 1000W.

With this high performance rig and the devastating cpu power you need every W you can get.

:rolleyes:
 
For this, get a 6870, 12gb of ram and an i5-2500k. I have that exact setup on my bot pc, i run 8 wows.
 
A AMD FX 6100/6200/4100/4170/ would be terrible. Bulldozer was a massive fail and compared to other CPUs in that price range it's not very good. The only Bulldozer worth considering is the FX 8120/8150 if you plain to run tons of bots. Not great if you plain to play BF3 or something.

Edit: In WOW on High/ultra settings a ?50 dual core Intel Pentium runs better than a ?140 FX 8150 in FPS... AnandTech - Bench - CPU. So yeah, only grab the 8 core if you plain to do heavy botting:)
 
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blubb0r87 said:
I would recommend a bigger psu. At least 1000W.

With this high performance rig and the devastating cpu power you need every W you can get.
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This is total overkill and nothing more than a waste of money. 1 kw for that setup? CPUs don't use as much energy as they used to, imo anything over 800 is only really useful if you run 2 or more GPU cards. 600-650 is plenty if the PSU is of a decent brand. PSUs generally have the highest efficiency if they run at around 80% of their maximum wattage. if you put a 1kw PSU in that build it will definitely run, but you'll facepalm every time your electric bill lands on the mat. especially if you leave a computer of that kind on overnight it'll give you a very low efficiency. Just go with a decent brand PSU with a lower wattage and get more out of your money. Not only will this save you money on the initial purchase (yes, 1kw PSUs are expensive), it'll save you quite a few bucks a month on electricity aswell.

@axeman, any particular reason you went with those components?
I would change a number of components in that build, starting with a big prio on that PSU. Thermaltake is virtually trash. Their PSUs generally output roughly 100W UNDER what the box says with a terrible efficiency. It will most likely kill itself either within a few weeks or if you're unlucky just outside of the warranty meaning you'll have to start looking all over again. Rather spend a few more bucks on a better brand. eg Corsair's Enthousiast (600-650) series or virtually any Antec PSU (Their Earthwatts series is pretty decent for example). For your build I'd recommend a PSU with roughly 600 watts, it can be slightly over if you're paranoid but don't go for a 1kw build.

As for the RAM. I don't really see why he would have to start with 16GB if it's going to run with 4 GB modules anyway? If 12 proves insufficient just get another stick and plug it in. I'm assuming you chose the Kingston Hyper RAM for its looks. Just grab the cheapest kit available from kingston or Corsair (vengeance LP if its cheap) in the 8GB range and it'll run. The only thing to look out for is if the ram is LP (Low-Profile) or not. This means they have giant cooling fins glued to the RAM (High Profile) or not, but this can be an issue if you have an aftermarket CPU cooler as they are generally quite a bit bigger than the stock ones you get with the CPU. I forgot to check it for my build, and had to get creative with a saw.. it works now but I learned from it lol

As for the GPU, the AMD 6 series is being phased out right now and being replaced with the 7 series which is just slightly more energy efficient and a tad faster. However the 6 series is cheap right now and the differences aren't really that huge for a project like this. I agree with imasandman that you need a decent card though. The brands are quite similar but ATI cards will do the same as nvidia for a few bucks less (and in some cases, more energy efficient). I went for a HD6950 CrossfireX setup, but a single HD6950 with 2GB ram will get the job done just fine. Better take more GPU RAM over a higher clockspeed (which is what the 7 series equivalent will offer you), as you want to run a lot at once rather than one application at top speed.

And the CPU, I've gotten to know the AMD 'bulldozer' series of which the FX-6100 was supposed to be an awnser to the i5-2500k as 'did not perform the way people hoped it would'. There's really not much reason to go for AMD over intel unless it's to really push down the costs. I'd recommend a different mobo with an i5-2500k as that will give you better overall performance, but the final choice is ofcourse yours.

Sorry for the long post, just wanted to support the info a little :)

//edit: dang Smoogel beat me to it :P been browsing too much while making this post
 
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thanks for the replies !

the ONLY purpose of this rig is to have a multi-game with DB in it
and offcourse i want best value for my money for the rigs objective.


@Trueman, will change the PSU and the GPU but for the FX6100 doesnt the 6 core in it serve my purpose of multi-game objective? thanks again, your advice is much appreciated
 
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