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Oracle - Open Beta [CC]

Is it possible to get the routine to exclude healing someone when they have a particular debuff. I ended up manually healing heroic twins last night because it kept healing one of our tanks when he had Corrupted Healing It is a stacking debuff that deals a moderate amount of damage every second and stacks to around 300k per second if you keep healing and pretty much instantly kills you. So in this phase you have to avoid healing the tank all together.

Cheers.
 
CynnerDev said:
Is it possible to get the routine to exclude healing someone when they have a particular debuff. I ended up manually healing heroic twins last night because it kept healing one of our tanks when he had Corrupted Healing It is a stacking debuff that deals a moderate amount of damage every second and stacks to around 300k per second if you keep healing and pretty much instantly kills you. So in this phase you have to avoid healing the tank all together.

Cheers.
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Short answer yes, it will be implemented soon along with focused healing options.

I don't have a lot of time to work on Oracle this week due to work commitments but ill do my best to get some of these requests done.
 
wulf said:
For monk using Oracle the recommended Stat priority is Spirit > Crit. just get enough spirit that you dont oom too fast and sink the rest into crit..you will be amazed.
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going full spirit/crit is impossible to return the best result. There is a lot of theorycrafting on this bit but its pretty common knowledge that the current priority is Spirit until around 8.000 > Haste (Breakpoint usually either 6141 or 9158 non SWS) > Intellect > Crit > Mastery > Haste.

I'm not trying to be a smart ass, just wanting to help to improve this as much as possible.

Also for the non-healing list, here are the ID's

137341, // Beast of Nightmares
137332, // Beast of Nightmares
605, //"Dominate Mind",
33786, //"Cyclone",
123255, //"Dissonance Field",
123184, //"Dissonance Field",
121949, //"Parasitic Growth",
137360, //"Corrupted Healing",
122370, //"Reshape Life"
 
Oracle - Open Beta

healzzz said:
going full spirit/crit is impossible to return the best result. There is a lot of theorycrafting on this bit but its pretty common knowledge that the current priority is Spirit until around 8.000 > Haste (Breakpoint usually either 6141 or 9158 non SWS) > Intellect > Crit > Mastery > Haste.

I'm not trying to be a smart ass, just wanting to help to improve this as much as possible.

Also for the non-healing list, here are the ID's

137341, // Beast of Nightmares
137332, // Beast of Nightmares
605, //"Dominate Mind",
33786, //"Cyclone",
123255, //"Dissonance Field",
123184, //"Dissonance Field",
121949, //"Parasitic Growth",
137360, //"Corrupted Healing",
122370, //"Reshape Life"
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Thanks for the list!

I'm aware that the "Norm" is how you describe it is but testing proved that Spirit until mana is comfortable yields better results with Oracle of course your welcome to change the default settings ( which I'm sure you already have ) to yield better healing with your gear setup.

Post back your settings/findings or is it that you cannot find appropriate settings to yield the results you are looking for ?

Also question... Did you try my suggestion?
 
i want to be in the wall of shame...

on topic.. testing on my 523 monk.. thanks
 
healzzz said:
going full spirit/crit is impossible to return the best result. There is a lot of theorycrafting on this bit but its pretty common knowledge that the current priority is Spirit until around 8.000 > Haste (Breakpoint usually either 6141 or 9158 non SWS) > Intellect > Crit > Mastery > Haste.

I'm not trying to be a smart ass, just wanting to help to improve this as much as possible.

Also for the non-healing list, here are the ID's

137341, // Beast of Nightmares
137332, // Beast of Nightmares
605, //"Dominate Mind",
33786, //"Cyclone",
123255, //"Dissonance Field",
123184, //"Dissonance Field",
121949, //"Parasitic Growth",
137360, //"Corrupted Healing",
122370, //"Reshape Life"
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I'm not sure if you read that theorycrafting correctly.

They included the valor trinket and the horridon trinket(which is VERY good, BiS) .. The reason why they can go so low on spirit is mainly due to the trinket they get from Horridon

Let's take the normal trinket as an example from Horridon -> Equip: Your healing spells have a chance to grant 1656 mana per 2 sec over 10 sec.


Yeah, this is pretty good won't you say? 1656 * 5 => 8.2k mana per proc returns yield.

If you still go oom, that means your gear isn't high enough tbh.. Then you should gem spirit or try to go for the valor trinket -> [TABLE="width: 365"]
[TR]
[TD]Use: Gain 29805 mana. (3 Min Cooldown)[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]

I would say that all monk mistweavers should gem spirit until their ilvl is around 520 + mana trinket from horridon + valor trinket or megaera trinket. This way they don't get oom too quickly as you stated.

Mistweaver monks really needs those trinkets before trying to maximize their crit values, gemming for something other than spirit if you don't have either of these trinkets / 2 set bonus (T15) is very futile..
 
alxaw said:
I'm not sure if you read that theorycrafting correctly.

They included the valor trinket and the horridon trinket(which is VERY good, BiS) .. The reason why they can go so low on spirit is mainly due to the trinket they get from Horridon

Let's take the normal trinket as an example from Horridon -> Equip: Your healing spells have a chance to grant 1656 mana per 2 sec over 10 sec.


Yeah, this is pretty good won't you say? 1656 * 5 => 8.2k mana per proc returns yield.

If you still go oom, that means your gear isn't high enough tbh.. Then you should gem spirit or try to go for the valor trinket -> [TABLE="width: 365"]
[TR]
[TD]Use: Gain 29805 mana. (3 Min Cooldown)[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]

I would say that all monk mistweavers should gem spirit until their ilvl is around 520 + mana trinket from horridon + valor trinket or megaera trinket. This way they don't get oom too quickly as you stated.

Mistweaver monks really needs those trinkets before trying to maximize their crit values, gemming for something other than spirit if you don't have either of these trinkets / 2 set bonus (T15) is very futile..
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I'm ilvl 530+ and I run HLG+Chalice, so BiS trinkets. Megaera trinket is terrible advice btw.
 
I would chime in on the monk discussion seeing as I had a great part in its becoming, but people have their own ways they play. Oracle does not heal like you have 5k spirit and bis trinkets. It heals like you have never ending mana unless told otherwise. I rarely see low spirit monks on my server and have quite a few top 50 raiding guilds on it. To each his own though and let us know how it goes.

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bennyquest said:
I would chime in on the monk discussion seeing as I had a great part in its becoming, but people have their own ways they play. Oracle does not heal like you have 5k spirit and bis trinkets. It heals like you have never ending mana unless told otherwise. I rarely see low spirit monks on my server and have quite a few top 50 raiding guilds on it. To each his own though and let us know how it goes.

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I dont know what server you are playing on. My entire point is that the big advantage the MW monk has at this moment is that we dont have to stack spirit in order to be a very competitive and in some situations slightly overpowered healer because we can't run OOM even with 7-8k spirit.

To make that point somewhat clear, I just randomly looked at top MW monks in "top 50 guilds" as you mentioned.

Affinichi @ Illidan - Community - World of Warcraft
Apku @ Twisting Nether - Community - World of Warcraft
Unpl @ Lightning's Blade - Community - World of Warcraft
Hetz @ Frostwhisper - Community - World of Warcraft
Shatirux @ Azshara - Community - World of Warcraft
Momolol @ Destromath - Community - World of Warcraft

The average spirit level on those 6 monks? 7163 Spirit.

To each his own as you said - what I was more trying to say is, if you are at ilvl 535ish and sit at 9k spirit, you shouldn't have any mana issues. If you do, IMO, the CR heals "too much". Its awesome if you sit on top of meters after 70% of the fight is over, but its also pretty much useless if everybody dies during the last 30% coz you have run out of mana. That's all i'm trying to say and help with.

I'm pretty sure that the high mana consumption has to do with the amount of healing spheres that is cast.
 
healzzz said:
I dont know what server you are playing on. My entire point is that the big advantage the MW monk has at this moment is that we dont have to stack spirit in order to be a very competitive and in some situations slightly overpowered healer because we can't run OOM even with 7-8k spirit.

To make that point somewhat clear, I just randomly looked at top MW monks in "top 50 guilds" as you mentioned.

Affinichi @ Illidan - Community - World of Warcraft
Apku @ Twisting Nether - Community - World of Warcraft
Unpl @ Lightning's Blade - Community - World of Warcraft
Hetz @ Frostwhisper - Community - World of Warcraft
Shatirux @ Azshara - Community - World of Warcraft
Momolol @ Destromath - Community - World of Warcraft

The average spirit level on those 6 monks? 7163 Spirit.

To each his own as you said - what I was more trying to say is, if you are at ilvl 535ish and sit at 9k spirit, you shouldn't have any mana issues. If you do, IMO, the CR heals "too much". Its awesome if you sit on top of meters after 70% of the fight is over, but its also pretty much useless if everybody dies during the last 30% coz you have run out of mana. That's all i'm trying to say and help with.

I'm pretty sure that the high mana consumption has to do with the amount of healing spheres that is cast.
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Look at all of their trinkets as well...they all have the trinket from Horridon, heroic and better fully upgraded as well.....that alone amassed to nearly 3k spirit as an mp5 over like 5 minutes I don't have the exact math in front of me. SO that being said around 11k spirit(what I run my monk at that is raiding) since I do not have horridon's trinket I usually only oom with fail other healers or long heal intensive fights mageara for example.
 
bennyquest said:
Look at all of their trinkets as well...they all have the trinket from Horridon, heroic and better fully upgraded as well.....that alone amassed to nearly 3k spirit as an mp5 over like 5 minutes I don't have the exact math in front of me. SO that being said around 11k spirit(what I run my monk at that is raiding) since I do not have horridon's trinket I usually only oom with fail other healers or long heal intensive fights mageara for example.
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Yes, and again, I'm running with those trinkets, fully upgraded as well and I am going OOM, which was my entire point from the get go.
 
Another reason why oracle uses more mana is because it uses more mana usage heals compared to healing by hand...

The reason for this is cause the bot can actually place healing spheres on people 10 fold better than you can by hand it places them on their feet when they need to be healed.
Granted I agree that uplift should be working better and I will talk with wulf and see if we can come up with a way for it to be used better or more efficiently as well especially with the upcoming revival nerf it needs to be used with thunderfocus tea better than it is.
 
healzzz said:
Yes, and again, I'm running with those trinkets, fully upgraded as well and I am going OOM, which was my entire point from the get go.
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do you mind PMing me a world of logs from one of the fights and let me see how it is healing? I just want to compare it with say one of the ones that your aforementioned players heal. compare overheal and what not as well.
 
While testing the CR, I have not manually input anything during Lucidity procs, coz I wanted to compare side-by-side to Tuanah's SE Monk.
 
ok, well one thing it tries to do during lucidity is it tries to jab, jab, tigerpalm. generate some mana and chi for free. not sure if that is how top end people are handling it, but that is what we figured would be best all around.
 
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