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sifer

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I saw this rig on another forum. What can be made betyer or optimized here for building an even steonger beast? Somethibg that can handle alooot of bots. Is the amd 8 core a better choice than i5? Its much cheaper too. Is 32gb ram the max?

CPU - Intel? Core i5-3570K Processor Socket-LGA1155, Quad Core, 3.4Ghz, 6MB, Boxed w/fan

Graphic card - EVGA GeForce GTX 670 2GB PhysX CUDA PCI-Express 3.0, "ForTheWin", GDDR5, DVI-D+DVI-I, native-HDMI, DisplayPort

Motherboard - Which motherboard do I use? What should I look for besides it being a z77 and what brand?

Ram - Kingston DDR3 HyperX 1600MHz 32GB KIT Kit w/8X HyperX 4GB DDR3, CL9-9-9-27, 240pin

Harddisk - Corsair SSD Force Series 3, 240GB 2.5" SATA 6 Gb/s (SATA3.0), 550MB/520MB/s read/write, SandForce? SF-2281, w/bracket

Cooling systems - Corsair H100 Hydro Series CPU cooler Socket 775/1155/1156/1366/2011, AM2/AM2+/AM3, 2600 RPM, 46~92 CFM, 22~39 dBA (only for CPU, should i get for GPU and ram or those are useless?)

Tower - Corsair Vengeance C70 Military Green Fans: 1x 200mm Front, 1x Back 120mm, ATX, mATX, 2x USB 3.0 (cheapest and ugliest cosair case)

Power supply - Cooler Master GX 750W PSU ATX 12V V2.31, 80 Plus, Standard, 4x 6+2pin PCIe, 9x SATA, 120mm Fan
 
I have money to spend. But im wondering is it worth it to buy the expensive motherboard?
 
Anyone know how much this badboy can handle? Was also thinking about what can i improve to make it handle more bots without increasing the price so vastly?
 
More ram if you want to bot!
I have 4g an my mac and that isn't enough you should think about 8g+
 
All gaming computers need are 8GB RAM there is no to very little difference with more RAM

You got almost the same rig I do (just a bigger SSD) I would advise getting a 1TB HDD Seagate Barracuda 7200 RPM, everything else looks good (I personally dont like the case check out the Corair 500R I love this case and it can easily sit you WC in the top compartment so its not hanging out of tower)
 
He listed 32 gigs of ram, if you are aiming for botting only, you need CPU and RAM (I have Palit GTX 560 Ti 2GB 256bit, and no matter what I do this GPU is just laughing at my face and telling me "Is that all you got?" so I'm guessing that any $350+ GPU would do a perfect job), i am pretty sure that you will be able to run like 30-40 bots (if we r talking about wow).... About HDD, get a Black Western Digital 500GB or 1TB depending on your needs, personally I don't need a big HDD so I got 500GB for myself (there isn't much of a difference in the price I just didn't need bigger) if you have money to spend and you want something looking nice and with a VERY GOOD ventilation check this -> NZXT Phantom 820 Full Tower Gaming Case Unboxing & First Look Linus Tech Tips - YouTube

Also about the cooling, I don't like water cooling (yeye I know that it's the best) but check Noctua NH-D14, one of the best air coolers, it's HUGE!
 
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Will this cpu,overclocked, be able to run as much wow/d3 instances as I want until the ram of 32 gb is filled? or the limiting part of this pc is the cpu?

Another thing is I live in norway, that motherboard there costs 250 euro. So I am asking if that motherboard is worth it compaired to the other mobo's under 100 euro? what is the advantage.
 
Same question with gpu, are nvidia gpus good? Some amd ones are cheap but are they on par with nvidia!?
 
I am listing this so you got a reference :
My setup :
i7 920 ( 2.67ghz )
12gb 1600 ddr triple channel ram
Evga x58 mobo
1x Ati 5870

I run 7 HB's at a time , no issues.
Sometimes i run 5 Hb's on screen 2 ( small windows ) and on main screen i run a Lazyraider
for my bot's 'daily' dungeon ( always a good practice btw to make your bot run one or two dungeons , keeps blizz at sleep )
The primary function is Gatherbuddy ofc, but sometimes its not uncommon to have 3-4 of my bots doing some pvp , which stresses the system
With that being said, my cpu usage is never above 70% ,it only goes up a bit when I startup HB due to initialization i guess.
FPS is steady , smooth and everything working fine, so to conclude if this spec can run up to 7bots ( haven't tried more ) i guess any modern system is
adequate at running more, you dont have to spend a fortune.

Okay , my 2 cents i hope i helped someone ;)

( Just to make a measurement of how good the coding is , i can only run 4xShadow bots before system goes 100% cpu init )
 
sifer said:
CPU - Intel? Core i5-3570K Processor Socket-LGA1155, Quad Core, 3.4Ghz, 6MB, Boxed w/fan
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Good choice
Graphic card - EVGA GeForce GTX 670 2GB PhysX CUDA PCI-Express 3.0, "ForTheWin", GDDR5, DVI-D+DVI-I, native-HDMI, DisplayPort
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huge overkill. Get a cheaper card. Something like an AMD 7500 or 7700 series will do just fine.
Motherboard - Which motherboard do I use? What should I look for besides it being a z77 and what brand?
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Get Asrock. No motherboard will offer you more than Asrock does and they are so heavily standardized that software installation will be a lot easier than with the high-end boards.
Ram - Kingston DDR3 HyperX 1600MHz 32GB KIT Kit w/8X HyperX 4GB DDR3, CL9-9-9-27, 240pin
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Overkill. Go for 16GB and you'll be a lot cheaper.
Harddisk - Corsair SSD Force Series 3, 240GB 2.5" SATA 6 Gb/s (SATA3.0), 550MB/520MB/s read/write, SandForce? SF-2281, w/bracket
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If you're gonna mainly run bots then don't go for an SSD. The extra cost isn't worth it.

IMHO you'll always be better off with 2 cheap systems than with one expensive one. For the price of your original system you can buy 2 systems that will *each* run just as many bots since the bottleneck is in CPU and RAM whilst the money in your system goes to GPU and SSD, both of which are overkill for a dedicated bot system.

I'd go for something like:
- Core i5 3570 (NOT the K version since you don't want to overclock anyway. The non-K version is 10% cheaper)
- AMD Radeon 7750
- 16GB of RAM
- Asrock B75 motherboard. You don't need Z77 at all.
- 320GB or 640GB harddisk (why that size? 'cause that means they use the latest tech platters)
- Stock cooler is more then enough
- Cheapest case you can find
- Decent brand PSU of about 350-500W (anything more is huge overkill. But do get a decent brand!)

I'm estimating the cost of this system at about a third of the original whilst it will run the same number of bots.

As for the extra questions:
- No, AMDs CPUs aren't even close to the performance of this Corei5 at the moment. Don't even think about AMD CPUs for anything that requires CPU power.
- GPUs: There isn't a lot of difference. I'm quite sure nVidia has a decent offer in the same price range as the 7750 but I just like AMD more so I usually go for AMD :D
 
Wow thanks alot for the inpt croga! Really answered alot of questions.

Not meaning to question your opinion, but just out of curiousity.

Isnt an overclocked i5 really powerful? Like maybe fill up a 32 gb ram with wow clients? Or it cant handle it? How many bots can this machine handle? I will put the prices from my country for the original build and the one u suggested.

So u can further judge the rig.
 
I disagree with most of the things in the previous post.
I'll start with the RAM, 32GB is NOT an overkill when you're going for BOTTING and RAM is CHEAP CHEAP AND CHEAP even the top ones!!!! If you're going for botting YOU NEED RAM R A M, back in the days when I was botting in Diablo 3, 1 Diablo used to take between 1 and 1,2GB of my RAM (after a few hours starts off at 600-700 MB and builds up), so 16GB will be quite low, if you want to run a lot of bots on multiple games.

About the CPU, I didn't see him anywhere saying that he won't overclock, I'd def go for a K version, since overclocking gives your CPU extra power, which means what? Yeah more power to fill your RAM.
You don't want an AMD, I have the FX-8150, and depending on what you do it may be not enough, not to mention that with Intel you can go with Quad channel RAM, and DEFINATELY DONT BUY MB THAT COSTS 60-70 EU or something like that for a good system. Motherboard and PSU are one of the most important parts, I don't know why people ignore them so much... Stock coolers are NEVER ENOUGH, and they are NOISY! I mean, REALLY, REALLY, REALLY NOISY and annoying with this 80mm fans, that run at 5-7k RPM, it will just fuck your mind, especially in the night if you are trying to sleep in the same room. There are very good cheap Air coolers that can do a better job, and save you the noise.

About the GPU, AMD may be cheapest, and it may work good, but, nVidia would work best with Intel, just like AMD video cards and AMD RAM works best with AMD CPU.

PSU, most systems in that range would require 500-600W, so you need at least 750W of a decent brand (to the previous post, 350W? are you insane man, my 7 year old PC was running with 250W PSU..) use Google to find Power Consumption Calculator and you can calculate how much power you would need, for my system I need a minimum of 500W (AMD FX-8150, Palit GTX 560 Ti, 2x8GB Corsair Vengeance 1600 MHz, Gigabyte 990FXA-UD3, OCZ Agility 3 120GB, WD Green 7200 RPM, 500GB, 64MB Cache) even if the 500W is the minimum, you'd like to have something extra, just in case... go for Antec, Cooler Master, Corsair, OCZ..

HDD/SSD again it depends on how many bots you plan to run, if you plan to run a shit load of bots, then you need an SSD (again it depends on the game)... If you want to run multiple Diablos then you would need it. Diablo is a very HDD dependant game and if you are running on a normal HDD, after 5-6 instances your HDD will simply be on its maximum (yes you can make multiple copies of the game, that won't help), while SSDs are 5 faster, they don't have to spin with 7-10k RPMs, it's better and easier for the SSD to run multiple copies of a game. If you don't want an SSD and you don't plan to run more than 6-8 Diablos, then you can get 2 separate HDDs...

Altho I agree with the statement that it's better with 2 cheaper systems than 1 beast system. Not to mention that you can give them totally different ISPs, or use different V P Ns and it would look like they both have absolutely nothing in common which means that you have a higher chance of surviving during banwaves, than with a single machine.

These are mine opinions.
 
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Another thing to mention, PassMark Intel vs AMD CPU Benchmarks - High End these are benchmark results on probably every available CPU, you can find both FX-8150 and i5-3570 and the K version, FX outperforms both.

The reasons are simple, these Intel CPUs WILL outperform or be at the same "level" with the FX while Gaming, ONE GAME, but when it comes to Multithreading, FX wins.

Oh did I mention that it's cheaper than both of them?

NOTE: I excluded AMD in my previous post, because I thought that you mentioned an I7 in your first post now I see that you were talking about the i5-3570k aswell... so then I would probably go for the AMD (unless you get a better Intel, and it's strictly for boting) and so with the AMD goes the GPU which would probably be best to be an AMD aswell.

You also want your GPU to have a lot of Memory (2GBish, exclude the 1GB), my reasons for that, again, the botting, it needs memory everywhere, multiple instances...
 
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Dident you just contradict yourself? I thought u meant intel was better?
 
Yes I corrected myself in my second post, because like I said there I thought that you were talking about an i7.
 
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