Mule + farm banned via RMAH

[bizzy1one]

This is a new 1 for me so figure i'd share.

`Had multiple accounts linked to 1 pp
`Had extreme volume of gold (30b lost)
`All had sms to post / sell via paypal.
`All legit matching info

`2 accounts got suspended / locked. i'm assuming via volume flag.

`ticket submitted to get unlock ... sucessful (this was the mistake, was only 13b lost at this point)

`muled remaining gold off rmah accounts to "safe" accounts.

`after successful ticket unlocked account, i thought i was in clear after linking references to blue post about multiple rmah's accounts for exposure.

`then all 5 rmah's got locked (including account created on release day), all auctions cancelled and banned for auction house offenses.

`im assuming next step they linked rmah's accounts to farm through trades in game (its logged in error reports and im sure elsewhere) or via IP (also possible or both).

`i watched as they "reviewed" each bot account and banned with intervals of 2-5mins each.

Things to note:

1) never had a problem until i linked multiple paypals and submitted ticket after a lock ( drew attention)

2) i never flipped items or even gems. i never bought own auctions and never bought from rmah in general.

3) first bot ban with email of auction house offenses. every bot recieved auction house offense account closure email not 3rd party email.

4) the botting specs are not realevant i dont think .... they were all p100 with shitloads of stats on them ... highest being 303k elite kills and over 1b gold looted. db + trinity + yar only. they werent banned via 3rd party, they linked supply of farm to mules and banned on that basis.

5) my "safe" mules that were not associated with banned rmah accounts linked pp are "safe" for now. they were however associated with bots ... so who knows of future of them.

i would start back w/o hessitation if not for the rmah / mule bans. i produced 24b gold from friday to friday last week and came out way way way on top, but if they ban based on volume and are now banning via auction house links im not sure if worth it atm.

i could just bulk sell it all to china but then you risk 100% loss via chargeback and thats not very attractive either. i'm also worried now that if you move gold of any value in the rmah when patch hits they will lock / review your account and risk of ban then rendering it all useless.

lots of unknown for me now and going to take some time to figure it out.

It was worth a try i feel as it had the prospect of generating a lot of money, but it turns out i should have not done it or done it differently. posting mainly to keep other outside the box thinkers from just jumping in w/o worry and maybe it will help someone from making the same mistake.

p.s. i dont think the 14/14 guy is lying / troll.

 

[JoshYoJoshYo]

Did those accounts have any "friends" on them that you met or traded with in game?

Even friends get jealous lol..

 

[bizzy1one]

it wasnt a report, they had 1 friend which was rmah mule and 0 in recently played tab.

they were banned based on ticket submit from a locked rmah account. im 99% sure of this atm.

 

[derico5]

Hey bizzy, sorry for your lost. And yes, never ever use the support after some accounts are closed. They will lock everything with your name.

Question: Which realm or which realms was your rmah accounts? And what is your country where you live? It is very important. One friend of me got locked few times now because different country+accounts.

 

[bizzy1one]

Hey bizzy, sorry for your lost. And yes, never ever use the support after some accounts are closed. They will lock everything with your name.

Question: Which realm or which realms was your rmah accounts? And what is your country where you live? It is very important. One friend of me got locked few times now because different country+accounts.

Its all USA, everything matching and every thing legit. no stealth pp shit etc even the phones were/are legit.

It was 100% based on volume i honestly believe, and when the higher tier support reviewed the ticket they have access to load more info than the first tier support has. i believe they can see ah transactions as well as trades in game etc and more than likely a shitload more of info (ip/time/hardware id/ etc).

I should have just ate the 13b from the 2 mules locked and wrote it off, but i was confident in the legality of having multiple rmah accounts and them not banning mules. i think in my case the shear bulk/volume made it not matter.


p.s. they banned bots that had fake names and no other info attached... so that was done via in game trades or shared ip etc. to me ... it makes the most sense that they did it based on trade association since the whole thing is auction house based. the ip doesnt matter as much as the actual flow of gold does, and other mules on the same ip were not banned as they didnt interact with them.

the goals atm being:

prevent it from happening to others.

figure out how to keep it from happening to continue making money.

~the rmah accounts getting flagged in the first place is what is bothersome to me. i am not sure if it was based on being linked to same paypal (this is supposed to be fine) or if it was due to volume (6-7b) per account listed. ive had my 2 main mules listing 10b each for like 2+ months solid w/o problems. seems to me it was the multiple linked pp + ticket that attracted attention to the volume.

i have way more than enough to start back as i did extremely well. the problem being the risk vs reward now with new unknowns added to the equation. i didnt expect them to ban mules w/o the use of 3rd party or at the least flipping gems/items but they did.

 

[derico5]

Thx for infos. Makes sense and the same study as i did on my own lost accounts and accounts from friends. Always they locked everything after we done something in support. For sure they revisit the accounts by hand and catch everything involved into your building...

Good luck next build

 

[pimpampum]

really sorry for your loss bizzy.

When you traded money from your bots into your mule accounts, did you use items as covering? Like giving 200 m to a mule but the mule giving 1-2 items in exchange.

 

[IGG]

bizzy1one, I'm sorry for you loss. Can you describe your scheme better? How many rmah sellers/name of acc holder (same or not)/paypal (shared for multiple accs or unique pp for each rmah seller)/IP of each seller/vm ot 1 comp?

Btw I remember info about dangerous sum of gold for an acc somewhere on oc forums.

 

[kork09]

out of curiosity how many accounts did you have

 

[Gniller]

woa sounds like someone at blizzard was having a mean day there.

sorry for your loss, i guess this is the kind of ban you are never safe from.

ps. thanks for the huge amount of info in this thread, definitely useful to the rest of us!

 

[dartex008]

24b in a week? how many accounts, i'd like to know. either a very lucky week or a big farm, maybe US is more active still, but on EU nothing sells pretty much

 

[derico5]

Its only what he listed, not what he sold Talked a bit in a different thread about list/sale rates.

 

[bizzy1one]

I already stated the banned rmah accounts were all legit with matching info and legit phones all the same. i dont know why 2 of them got locked in the first place? and even w/o the support ticket they more than likely would have gotten a review and found everything anyway when 2 lvl 1's have 7b each on them.

trading was done bot - mule as i believed mules were invincible. they had been for me the last 3 banwaves and 99% of others were same. this wasnt a 3rd party ban which is likely why they banned mule. all accounts recieved auction house offense account closure not 3rd party.

30 bots + 5 rmah accounts. 2x i7 and 1x i5 rig. all ran high stable stats tps/fps with good profile and near 100% uptime. over a 14 day spread i avg'd over 3m/hr per bot including everything (items/gems/gold). it was a full time job the way i have botted since nov of last year. they were producing, sadly it's all useless when you cant move it w/o selling to 3rd party ... this is the sole reason for the multiple rmah link attempt.

if i can snag a sale for $35 or so ill rebuy back in just on the offchance they dont ban till closer to 1.09. i'm not so sure ill rebuy @ $50 tho atm, but def will on 1 of the next patches.

i have around 35-40b left on mules scattered everywhere and will hold that as an investment towards patches. i wanted to and would have had 100b on 1.08 release but shit happens and you gotta take chances i guess.

it still is hard to not go back to it and just sell to 3rd party, but on top of worrying about bans you have to worry about a chargeback 6 weeks down the road and lose it all anyway. i'm not real sure what the right choice is atm.

p.s. not sure how to proceed with my main paypal either? close it and make a total new 1? make new primary email on same paypal? i'm afraid its flagged in their system as the first ticket mentioned something of adding the "account to their system" before they banned all of them. who knows really... =/

 

[pimpampum]

p.s. not sure how to proceed with my main paypal either? close it and make a total new 1? make new primary email on same paypal? i'm afraid its flagged in their system as the first ticket mentioned something of adding the "account to their system" before they banned all of them. who knows really... =/

When I got bans I usually get into safe mode. I certainly would create a new paypal account, especially with a big enough farm like yours. Also format the whole system (all of them in your case), setting new IP for each comp and new mac address and hardware ID, everything that I could. But thats me, as you already said, who the fuck knows.

I'll hold on my billions till next parch (if I survive). Will always list gold for the 0.0001 change it gets sold, and if you can snitch a 9 6 mempo on the ah before someone else does, thats good money. I will not resort to gold sellers, at the actual prices I would rather take the risk keeping it till a wonderful mithical pvp patch bring back loads of people in the game. XD

 

[IGG]

bizzy1one, I'm sorry for you loss. Can you describe your scheme better? How many rmah sellers/name of acc holder (same or not)/paypal (shared for multiple accs or unique pp for each rmah seller)/IP of each seller/vm ot 1 comp?

Btw I remember info about dangerous sum of gold for an acc somewhere on oc forums.

Can you answer my question please? The details are important(I've got similar setup). I've got Only got info about 3 computers you have, nothing else.

 

[bizzy1one]

bizzy1one, I'm sorry for you loss. Can you describe your scheme better? How many rmah sellers/name of acc holder (same or not)/paypal (shared for multiple accs or unique pp for each rmah seller)/IP of each seller/vm ot 1 comp?

Btw I remember info about dangerous sum of gold for an acc somewhere on oc forums.

i had used 2 legit accounts with 2 different legit names / pp / phones since release. last week i added 4 new linked pp to 1 of said accounts to gain more rmah exposure (40 more listings). so at this point 1 unique pp with 1 linked d3 to it + 1 unique pp with 4 new d3 linked to it. 3 comps, 1 ip, no vm.

2 of the new 4 linked got locked. i stupidly submited a ticket for unlock knowning i was legit in my paypal info etc and got it unlocked. on the next ticket (2nd account) it went to higher tier support and im guessing thats when they seen the volume and looked deeper. i have no idea why those 2 locks happened in the first place. maybe it was age of account + amount of gold posted? or maybe they have things setup to lock just to verify multiple links to same pp? either way ... thats what caused the problem.

my biggest issue with all of this is they banned everything associated with the account via auction house offense and not 3rd party. as i said before ... i didnt flip items or even gems. i ddint do anything other than list gold / items found and they banned im guessing off shear volume. this is news to me and is kinda scary moving forward.

when they do 3rd party banwave .... bots fail test and get banned ... but they dont ban mules b/c they pass test.

i guess on auction house ban they have the right to ban everything associated with said account(s).

i will more than likely sac the i5 comp in the future to be only used with mules via vm/ip's i think.

i didnt really care to lose the mules, i knew it was a risk worth going for ... but i didnt want to lose farm also and did. kinda shitty but a good learning lesson.

i thought about appealing with references to the blue post about it being ok for multiple links to 1 pp etc and see where it goes ... but i serriously doubt its worth the time givin the fact they went through each account 1 by 1 and banned it. they know the volume = something not legit and even if they cant prove it i cant really prove that they cant .... lol

1 of the bots had 300,000 elite kills and 1b+ gold looted ... i mean c'mon ... how the hell can i defend that haha

 

[IGG]

bizzy1one, I think they tracked you by using 1 pp for several sellers (+same ip and probably mac/hwid/d3 client id). It is a stupid thing to do IMO. I remember some bans after ppl purchased a lot of d3 keys on a blizz sale using same pp for all bots accouts. I think they did that sale just to track greedy botters

 

[Gardettos]

I know AH bots have been getting banned very quickly lately. Like accounts only last 1 day.

 

[Deebs86]

So you think the problem might be caused by linking the same PayPal account to more than one d3 account?

 

[bizzy1one]

So you think the problem might be caused by linking the same PayPal account to more than one d3 account?

thats what i think atm. while it is legal to do and wont get you banned if done legit w/o a link to farm it does seem to raise flags for them to investigate. i didnt think of it this way when i done it and now sharing so others dont share my same fate.

1 of the most important things i got from the whole deal is them linking mule to bots through trades and banning them all on that basis. thats pretty scary imo.