Minimum requirements for 5 VMs

[kimkostitsyn]

Against detection nothing would stop the bots of being flagged of course, unless they are run in offline mode

But for suicide farming, the virtualization helps, due to the methods of Blizzard, identifying mass & suicide botters and their "friends".

Of course, if this is done in correct way - Each VM plus the Host share no single personal details, connected in any way to Blizzard, including but not limited to:
- Using own dedicated game installation by them, including Launcher, etc (vs. saving lame 40GB HDD space or net bandwidth)
- Using different Win installs per VM, not image copying. If you are IT professional/hobbyist, of course you can script unattended installs or copy images and change SIDs with Sysprep.
- Logging certain game license/battle.net account only from one VM or Host.
- You can even setup different VPS per VM, if you like them with different IP Address (No VPN, since its the most lame way to get flagged nowadays)

That way, the different VMs would have no direct link between them, so Blizzard would have hard time to link them, and once they attempt to wipe certain accounts, to not affect them all.

Hello, can u help me with this? "I just tried to install this VM, and I have a question. Where the hell must be main wow client? I mena how can I connect VM with wow client which installed on my host. Or I've must install client on each VM which mean>60 gb free space on VM? Sry for my bad english"

 

[djdomrep]

Hello, can u help me with this? "I just tried to install this VM, and I have a question. Where the hell must be main wow client? I mena how can I connect VM with wow client which installed on my host. Or I've must install client on each VM which mean>60 gb free space on VM? Sry for my bad english"

i don't know which VM program supports sharing folders. but i heard that VMWare can do this by running the VM as server.
actually i never tried it and i will not go to try it because then you could just use no VM.
i don't know each type of information that is stored inside the installation folder but i know some account informations are one thing stored in there..

for the ones saying VM's don't bring security: it's a matter of opinion. it will not make your account safe of being banned BUT it will give you some more time and for me this is security because i get time to get the money out of the accounts.
the thread is called: "Minimum requirements for 5 VMs" so we know it's not going to be his private main account that he is going to play so lets talk serious about it.
if you bot you could or maybe will get detected.. so the target is to get the longest possible time without beeing banned to get the most profit on it.
by using VM's, proxies and different wow installations and different battle.net accounts you will get "safety" that will hide you from detecting algorithms like multiple wow instances on 1 IP detection (just an example).
i've read a lot about banned accounts since the big banwave on may 19. this year. i did wait 1week before starting again and did not get hit since now.

 

[kimkostitsyn]

i don't know which VM program supports sharing folders. but i heard that VMWare can do this by running the VM as server.
actually i never tried it and i will not go to try it because then you could just use no VM.
i don't know each type of information that is stored inside the installation folder but i know some account informations are one thing stored in there..

for the ones saying VM's don't bring security: it's a matter of opinion. it will not make your account safe of being banned BUT it will give you some more time and for me this is security because i get time to get the money out of the accounts.
the thread is called: "Minimum requirements for 5 VMs" so we know it's not going to be his private main account that he is going to play so lets talk serious about it.
if you bot you could or maybe will get detected.. so the target is to get the longest possible time without beeing banned to get the most profit on it.
by using VM's, proxies and different wow installations and different battle.net accounts you will get "safety" that will hide you from detecting algorithms like multiple wow instances on 1 IP detection (just an example).
i've read a lot about banned accounts since the big banwave on may 19. this year. i did wait 1week before starting again and did not get hit since now.

Omg this is a lot of time if your bots are still alive. So I wanted to ask u about wow clients, do u installing 1 client per 1 vm as I understood?

 

[cevaps2]

- Using own dedicated game installation by them, including Launcher, etc (vs. saving lame 40GB HDD space or net bandwidth)

Since last update, the size of a simple vm with client is 62 GB. So I think the main question is, does Link Cloning (Shell Extension) safe or not. Although it usually doesn't work between fresh installed VMs.

- Using different Win installs per VM, not image copying. If you are IT professional/hobbyist, of course you can script unattended installs or copy images and change SIDs with Sysprep.

Man it takes a looooot of time Since you have to reinstall after every ban. copy images really doesn't work? Can't we just change hwid from settings?

- You can even setup different VPS per VM, if you like them with different IP Address (No VPN, since its the most lame way to get flagged nowadays)

I'm not sure why you don't like VPN. They never get the same ip so what'd be the problem? I never liked personal VPS VPN's because they never reconnect or have kill switchs. So eventually (usually in the first 24 hours, fml) every VM logs in with the main os IP and screw every single step, lol.

 

[Aion]

Since last update, the size of a simple vm with client is 62 GB. So I think the main question is, does Link Cloning (Shell Extension) safe or not. Although it usually doesn't work between fresh installed VMs.

The whole point is to use dedicated WoW install per VM, since Blizzard do uniquely identify each WoW installation and its pretty common sense, that the server automatically link each account, logged at least once on this installation.
Here is the common mistake of people, who used VM but shared wow install and got wiped all in one hit, simply because all VM login from same wow install.

Man it takes a looooot of time Since you have to reinstall after every ban. copy images really doesn't work? Can't we just change hwid from settings?

You are not required to reinstall VM's Windows with each wipe, just clean it off Blizzard records.
Regarding reinstalls, they can be batched quite successfully as 100% unattended or cloned with the official M$ sysprep tool (If you have no Blizzard installs on them already )

I'm not sure why you don't like VPN. They never get the same ip so what'd be the problem? I never liked personal VPS VPN's because they never reconnect or have kill switchs. So eventually (usually in the first 24 hours, fml) every VM logs in with the main os IP and screw every single step, lol.

Simply because each VPN is shared! Neither of the VPN providers, free or paid do realistically provide you with static IP from random range and most of the VPN providers IP ranges are already blacklisted by the Cyber Security companies. (Yes, Blizzard are subscribers to such company too, they their millions of customers, need e-security more than anyone)
So while logging from VPN-owned IP Address, you are just reminding Blizzard to flag your account.
On the other side, using dedicated VPS is usually different stuff and their target group is different than the mainstream VPN users.

 

[cevaps2]

You are not required to reinstall VM's Windows with each wipe, just clean it off Blizzard records.

Yeah but isn't it as same as cloning VMs? You've been banned and you're creating new account with the same macid, ssid and lots of blablaid's to bot once again? I haven't find any script that "resets" everything about VM. Maybe if someone wrotes something like that, it'd be easier.

Regarding reinstalls, they can be batched quite successfully as 100% unattended or cloned with the official M$ sysprep tool (If you have no Blizzard installs on them already )

This part, i've no idea what you're talking about.

 

[djdomrep]

Omg this is a lot of time if your bots are still alive. So I wanted to ask u about wow clients, do u installing 1 client per 1 vm as I understood?

im running 3 VM's 2 with one client and one with 2 clients (that almost 24/7)
im using dedicated proxies.

Yeah but isn't it as same as cloning VMs? You've been banned and you're creating new account with the same macid, ssid and lots of blablaid's to bot once again? I haven't find any script that "resets" everything about VM. Maybe if someone wrotes something like that, it'd be easier.

i started creating a VM installing battle.net on it using offline mode and installed wow.
then i cloned the VM and changed computername and HWID's and MAC's.
after that process i added a proxy to the VM and created a battle.net account, entered wow battlechest key and started botting.
for the next VM i did the same.. i cloned the "clean" VM and did the same process.

im running 2 Windows 7 Pro x86 and 1 Windows 7 Pro x64

 

[kimkostitsyn]

"after that process i added a proxy to the VM" Which way? I mean , use some soft like "proxifier"?
btw, thank u a lot for help

 

[cevaps2]

"after that process i added a proxy to the VM" Which way? I mean , use some soft like "proxifier"?
btw, thank u a lot for help

I think he means that. I used it last year but it's VERY hard to find good proxy that doesn't disconnect too much and offers nice ping. And it takes days to download 50gb wow client with it. :/

Also, he skipped Aion's the main idea of VM usage;

The whole point is to use dedicated WoW install per VM, since Blizzard do uniquely identify each WoW installation and its pretty common sense, that the server automatically link each account, logged at least once on this installation.
Here is the common mistake of people, who used VM but shared wow install and got wiped all in one hit, simply because all VM login from same wow install.

 

[djdomrep]

I think he means that. I used it last year but it's VERY hard to find good proxy that doesn't disconnect too much and offers nice ping. And it takes days to download 50gb wow client with it. :/

Also, he skipped Aion's the main idea of VM usage;

no i did'nt use proxifier, i used windows proxy settings so the entire VM is running through the proxy.
i did install wow and battle.net in offline mode without using a proxy after that process i added the proxy.

Also, he skipped Aion's the main idea of VM usage;

The whole point is to use dedicated WoW install per VM, since Blizzard do uniquely identify each WoW installation and its pretty common sense, that the server automatically link each account, logged at least once on this installation.
Here is the common mistake of people, who used VM but shared wow install and got wiped all in one hit, simply because all VM login from same wow install.

the installations i made were clean with no information of any account stored.
i don't know if they make an ID for the installation in the registry or something similar to identify it.
the only thing i really know is that they store account information inside the wow installation (so i prevented this of beeing a ban cause).

to patch legion i logged out in battle.net and deactivated the proxy server after that i activated the proxy again and logged in.

since i'm a developer i know there could be very much types of detection systems and i know how they work BUT i also know it's very much work to make them and they must'nt be against the privacy law.
there could be much more ingame detection systems but they would increase the usage of power from their servers and/or our clients.
because many things said by people are just speculations i did my own speculations based on my knowledge of detection system development and the efficiency i think the systems would have.

i don't know if Aion is just telling the possible things (that could be) or if he is saying that it really is so. (please tell me)
so i would say: if you want to be 100% secure (meant for beeing secure of same PC detection systems, not for beeing banned) go his way and make totally clean installations.

in my case: im running fine (2accs separate (different VM's) since end of may and 2 accs together (same VM) since ~1month)

 

[joachimb]

Hello everyone, thanks for all the answers !
From what I read, VMs are useful for suicide botting to get some time between bans to get your shit out of your accounts before they ban them all.
But I am not interested in this.

I have a "real" job that gives me enough money. I am botting because I love automation and seeing all my bots work together (aaah gathering, gem cutting, crafting, AH etc. in MoP with HB, all these little toons working together... that was so cool). I am not interested in suicide botting.

Anyway, most of you tell me VM are not useful so I won't bother with it. Or maybe just one with all the instances in it.

Actually, I just sent my computer for a diagnostic and the guy told me that it was most likely the power thing, he will look into it.
When he said that, I realized that my computer was not all dead and I could put most of the parts in a smaller case ! I am looking at barebones and might just put my components in a smaller case with new motherboard & power thing (what it the english word for this part ? ^^"). I already have an AMD radeon 9290x, some 16gb of ram, an i7 (can this stuff be taken off to a new motherboard ?) and two ssds.
I don't know how smaller case work but I will look into it to see if what I have can be put inside one of those cubic small cases.

Thank you all for your advice.

 

[kimkostitsyn]

"no i did'nt use proxifier, i used windows proxy settings so the entire VM is running through the proxy"
Can u tell me please, where exactly can I find these "settings"?

 

[liquidsnake1989]

Hello everyone, thanks for all the answers !
From what I read, VMs are useful for suicide botting to get some time between bans to get your shit out of your accounts before they ban them all.
But I am not interested in this.

I have a "real" job that gives me enough money. I am botting because I love automation and seeing all my bots work together (aaah gathering, gem cutting, crafting, AH etc. in MoP with HB, all these little toons working together... that was so cool). I am not interested in suicide botting.

Anyway, most of you tell me VM are not useful so I won't bother with it. Or maybe just one with all the instances in it.

Actually, I just sent my computer for a diagnostic and the guy told me that it was most likely the power thing, he will look into it.
When he said that, I realized that my computer was not all dead and I could put most of the parts in a smaller case ! I am looking at barebones and might just put my components in a smaller case with new motherboard & power thing (what it the english word for this part ? ^^"). I already have an AMD radeon 9290x, some 16gb of ram, an i7 (can this stuff be taken off to a new motherboard ?) and two ssds.
I don't know how smaller case work but I will look into it to see if what I have can be put inside one of those cubic small cases.

Thank you all for your advice.

I think you're looking for the word power supply.
As for your other questions, The most important is the max physical dimensions (lenght, width, depth) of components that a computercase can house.

What you need to determine is what component dimensions and types the new case can house;
- What form factor power supply can be installed (this is in 90% of all cases an ATX form factor power supply)
- What form factor motherboard can be installed (the 'normal' cases, often called 'midi cases' can house ATX motherboards. 'Big case' computercases can house E-ATX and/or XL-ATX motherboards. 'Mini cases' can house Micro-ATX, or M-ATX motheboards. And then there's 'ITX' cases, sometimes also called 'HTPC' cases, which can house Mini-ITX motherboards. For a comparison picture to get an idea: http://www.fullcustom.es/data/mods/k74_down_formatos_atx.jpg)
- What physical limitations does the computercase have in regards to the graphics card. The smaller your case, the less long your GPU may be for it to fit. The AMD R9 290X is pretty long so this is something to keep in mind.
- How many internal and/or external drives can be installed. There is 2,5" drives (usually 'laptop' harddisks or SSD's), 3,5" drives (usually 'desktop' harddisks, some fan controllers and cardreaders. Floppydrives are also 3,5" but I dont think you want one of those in your PC nowadays), and lastly there's 5,25" (for dvd-drives or big fan controllers). An 'external' drive bay means its accessible from the outside. So if you have an 3,5" cardreader your case would need to have a 3,5" external drive bay, else you can't access it from outside the case. I dont think you'll want to remove your case panels everytime you want to insert a flashcard in your card reader.
- How many fans are standard installed and how many more can be installed (and what dimensions). This can be important if you put your computer somewhere where it can get hot or when the components themselves get hot, for example if you overclock them.

Also keep in mind that obviously the smaller your motherboard, the less components you can use. An ATX motherboard can typically support 2, maybe even 3 or 4 graphics cards, 4 slots for RAM, 8-12 slots for S-ATA devices (harddisks, SSDs and DVD drives, whereas a Mini-ITX motherboard only supports one graphics card, 2 RAM modules and 4 S-ATA devices.

Hope that helps

 

[joachimb]

Thanks a lot, this helps a lot !

Unfortunately, I just got a call from the technician ... A while ago, a friend dropped water on my case, I didn't think that it went through but apparently it's all oxydated : graphic card is dead, mother board, ... The technician will be checking what is left. Hopefully my friend's insurance can cover this.

I will let you know and will certainly go for a mini-ITX.

 

[cevaps2]

the installations i made were clean with no information of any account stored.
i don't know if they make an ID for the installation in the registry or something similar to identify it.
the only thing i really know is that they store account information inside the wow installation (so i prevented this of beeing a ban cause).

I mean I'm skeptical about MD5/SHA1 Hashes of /Data/ files, not extra stored files. These might connect accounts very easily.

 

[djdomrep]

"no i did'nt use proxifier, i used windows proxy settings so the entire VM is running through the proxy"
Can u tell me please, where exactly can I find these "settings"?

if you use windows 7 or higher you can just press the windows key and write "proxy".
i don't use english windows so i googled it for you:
windows 7: Start → Control Panel → Network and Internet → Internet Options → Connections → LAN Settings and then enable/disable the proxy;
define IPort of proxy server.
windows 8,8.1&10: Start > Settings > Network & Internet

I mean I'm skeptical about MD5/SHA1 Hashes of /Data/ files, not extra stored files. These might connect accounts very easily.

aren't that the exactly same hashes on all installations?
for example by alternative download sites for windows or other software you get the hashes to see that the file did'nt get modified.
or did i missunderstand what you mean? (english is not my native language)

 

[kimkostitsyn]

Thanks dude! Really!

 

[Aion]

Ok, stepping one-by-one here:

the installations i made were clean with no information of any account stored.
i don't know if they make an ID for the installation in the registry or something similar to identify it.
the only thing i really know is that they store account information inside the wow installation (so i prevented this of beeing a ban cause).

If you were around from the single player Blizzard games: Diablo, 2, LOD, Starcraft/Broodwar, etc ..., you could remember, than they have implemented the game's CD-Key in the installation file (back in the time, they had a single fat file, containing the whole game database).
So this is nothing new for Blizzard to store unique id with each game install, plus its quite common sense, isn't it?

since i'm a developer i know there could be very much types of detection systems and i know how they work BUT i also know it's very much work to make them and they must'nt be against the privacy law.
there could be much more ingame detection systems but they would increase the usage of power from their servers and/or our clients.
because many things said by people are just speculations i did my own speculations based on my knowledge of detection system development and the efficiency i think the systems would have.

That is the reason, why corporations with the scale of Blizzard are using mechanics, complaining to the privacy law - using their own game installation and their own space for records in the Windows Registry. I see no reasons for them to use any private or fake-private stuff, like mac address, IP address, or anything, not directly in Blizzard's control, because mac addresses can be spoofed, Ip addresses too, and all the hardware markers are classified as private, since the customer technically own the hardware.

i don't know if Aion is just telling the possible things (that could be) or if he is saying that it really is so. (please tell me)
so i would say: if you want to be 100% secure (meant for beeing secure of same PC detection systems, not for beeing banned) go his way and make totally clean installations.
in my case: im running fine (2accs separate (different VM's) since end of may and 2 accs together (same VM) since ~1month)

I am telling conclusions, based of my own experience and from explanations on dozens of mates, botting like all of us in the past 5 years.

But I cannot say that my theories are reality, no botter could say that, unless he is hired into the Blizzard HQ.

All of us are just analyzing the results of the Blizzard's actions, so our assumptions could be partially or completely wrong.

So anyone is free for himself to bot the way he is comfortable with.