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L0n or invoker for 2.4.1?

jbotwww said:
I mean tougher to gear shouldn't mean best. Best should change seasonally to make seasons different and that is what is happening to everyone but barb(same playstyle diff setup) and DH are unchanging.

I totally get what you mean though. Granted maybe a different type of LoN sader setup should have pulled ahead this season instead so it wasn't the same thing or something.
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I can't seem to find the info on how hack, provoke shield benefiting from invoker set. I tried it on ptr so I know it works but it's weird that they didn't acknowledge it.
 
semial1337 said:
Sure thing man... Thats why top Crusader on ptr are using invoker 6 piece set. it cleared 99 from what i can see
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Pure invoker did 3 100s and 101 on PTR. Idk why people think Ahhkan is good. Its actually even worse now that hack got fixed.
 
Whats the new top builds for crusader? Pure invoker for high GRs right, but whats for speedfarming TX?
 
Phelon said:
Keep in mind Invoker's got the nerf stick pretty hard. It is back to LoN and possibly Akhans
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Akkhan was only better because of Invoker 2pc it scaled directly the same as Invoker does. Invoker was just flat out better version of Akkhans.

LoN will probably be better but Invoker can still clear 98-99 with perfect gear. LoN will prob push 100-101(mainly because GR 100 does 90% less dmg than S5)
 
jbotwww said:
It won't be better than invoker past like 80 though. It just won't. Not only does invoker literally not die but its damage got super buffed long as you set density to 15+.

The sheer fact that shitty like 1800 paragon level 100 gems invoker sader did 100 in 13m vs LoN are literally capping at 97/98 on live with 120 gems. It shows how much better invoker is and the dmg reduction in GR 70+ isn't gonna help LoN when it alrdy gets 1 shot in 90+ anyway.
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Guy... read that patchnotes sometimes before you are missleading!

First: higher grift levels got a HUGE nerf in damage dealt by monsters. Im 100% sure LoN would outclass Invoker on PTR, but no one trys it out on the Ptr , so dont compare live with ptr.
Second: Hack bug is fixed , so its not anymore possible to reach 100+ with invoker. leaderboards are old.
 
Dentist3 said:
Guy... read that patchnotes sometimes before you are missleading!

First: higher grift levels got a HUGE nerf in damage dealt by monsters. Im 100% sure LoN would outclass Invoker on PTR, but no one trys it out on the Ptr , so dont compare live with ptr.
Second: Hack bug is fixed , so its not anymore possible to reach 100+ with invoker. leaderboards are old.
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1. I posted that 10 days before Invoker got nerfed.
2. Like a day before Hack got fixed.
3. Invoker without Hack and without going over 25 stacks cleared a 96(there is a youtube video of it on PTR and hes only 1800 paragon).

R1 Invoker before fix had 0 Area Damage. So that just doesn't matter that Hack was broken. Invoker was 100% without a doubt better than LoN before it got nerfed from 50 to 25 stacks.

LoNs Damage output is pretty capped. Even with the mobs doing ~90% less damage at the R1 rift level it won't matter that much. We may see like 99 or maybe 100(only 1-2 levels higher than live on Season hit). Yes there was a 98 he got banned so its gone, but it was there and he wasn't that high paragon compared to what some were getting.
 
So, after the nerfs? What's going to be more viable? LoH/Invoker, or rather a Wizard? If a Wizard, which build?
 
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