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L0n or invoker for 2.4.1?

Tkay

Tkay

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Which build will be better for botting? If anyone knows.
 
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For high GRs invoker. For T10 LoN and LoN until like GR 75ish
 
Recklessness said:
LoN works easy till GR84
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It won't be better than invoker past like 80 though. It just won't. Not only does invoker literally not die but its damage got super buffed long as you set density to 15+.

The sheer fact that shitty like 1800 paragon level 100 gems invoker sader did 100 in 13m vs LoN are literally capping at 97/98 on live with 120 gems. It shows how much better invoker is and the dmg reduction in GR 70+ isn't gonna help LoN when it alrdy gets 1 shot in 90+ anyway.
 
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Recklessness said:
You mean this build/gear http://www.diablofans.com/builds/69887-2-4-gr87-invoker-punish ?

I can say i had never probs with LoN
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I never said problems with LoN. LoN is fine, but its worse. If you can't see that you don't understand what invoker is capable of now that AoE dmg, Hack, and Provoke shield work with Invoker set now.

You cube Akarat Shield and wear Provoke Shield. Drop Cons for Provoke. Drop Defensive Law for Law of Valor with LoH rune.
 
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jbotwww said:
I never said problems with LoN. LoN is fine, but its worse. If you can't see that you don't understand what invoker is capable of now that AoE dmg, Hack, and Provoke shield work with Invoker set now.
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But where on live people did GR100 with invoker? Talking about PTR is a complete other thing dude :o
 
Recklessness said:
But where on live people did GR100 with invoker? Talking about PTR is a complete other thing dude :o
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I mean this is a thread about 2.4.1?!?!?!?! Why would we care about live. Invoker next patch will dominate LoN where LoN can't just waltz in and 1 shot mobs so basically like GR80+
 
Oh damn. What makes this build that much better?
 
first of all it the 6pc invoker bonus sucks for high grifts, even the 4pc bonus sucks as invoker is not based on bombard like LoN but pure thorns.
second you have 100% akkarat uptime with akkhan set and therefore 450% constant bonus (not sure if this is multiplicative but i hope so, at least the pure akkarats champion bonus is multiplicative) plus the benefit of survival through akkarats champion. ofc you need thorns on all akkarat stuff or at least as much as possible. in addition you only have to get base cdr of 50% (50% from set plus 50% from items as far as i remember, might be a bit more due to being multiplicative, dunno atm) making it possible to go for area dmg or other stuff on an few items...

seems legit...
 
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skynetwork said:
first of all it the 6pc invoker bonus sucks for high grifts, second you have 100% akkarat uptime with akkhan set and therefore 450% constant bonus (not sure if this is multiplicative but i hope so) plus the benefit of survival through akkarats champion. ofc you need thorns on all akkarat stuff or at least as much as possible. in addition you only have to get base cdr of 50% making it possible to go for area dmg or other stuff on an few items...

seems legit...
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6pc sucks? So 800% of your thorns per hit which can now proc AoE.
100% akkarat only for Ahhkan? No invoker has it too as well as everything else do to Akarats Awakening Shield outside pure single target. You get the same benefit survival because of this uptime.

6pc Ahhkan has always been multiplicative. They made the base skill Akarat multiplicative which buffs every build by the same amount so its a null point.

Ahhkan + 2pc Invoker is a strong option, but pure Invoker is more damage period and more survival.

People have already tried both on PTR and Invoker has pulled ahead by enough that there is no reason to think about Ahhkan besides start of season because its your starter set.
 
skynetwork said:
youtube vid, or it did not happen....
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I mean... there is PTR that has multiple 98-100 clears with invoker?!?! I guess thats not proof enough then you aren't worth dealing with.

If you don't know how Akarats Awakening works and using invoker there is S5 guides on Dfans with videos even the one linked earlier in this thread shows it.
 
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I mean... there is PTR that has multiple 98-100 clears with invoker?!?! I guess thats not proof enough then you aren't worth dealing with.

If you don't know how Akarats Awakening works and using invoker there is S5 guides on Dfans with videos even the one linked earlier in this thread shows it.
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It doesn't make any sense that invoker would be stronger since LoN is far harder to gear. I remember Blizzard explaining that LoN was intentionally more powerful than the class sets because of this gearing difficulty (they wanted you to feel like you would be rewarded for the extra challenge of gearing LoN).

What I suspect will happen is invoker will be strongest on PTR for testing purposes, then they will dial it back to be slightly sub par to LoN before release. That, or LoN will get some kind of implicit damage buff that restores its superiority on the back end.

Unless Blizzard is retarded (again?), the harder-to-gear builds should have the best performance.
 
Fisher67 said:
It doesn't make any sense that invoker would be stronger since LoN is far harder to gear. I remember Blizzard explaining that LoN was intentionally more powerful than the class sets because of this gearing difficulty (they wanted you to feel like you would be rewarded for the extra challenge of gearing LoN).

What I suspect will happen is invoker will be strongest on PTR for testing purposes, then they will dial it back to be slightly sub par to LoN before release. That, or LoN will get some kind of implicit damage buff that restores its superiority on the back end.

Unless Blizzard is retarded (again?), the harder-to-gear builds should have the best performance.
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LoN was never suppose to be better. They never once said it should be better. They said it should be viable option and it has been. It is the best DH(still is on PTR because they doubled its output by buffing the FoK Dagger), best WD(might barely get outshined by Helltooth because it went from 900 to 1500%), Crusader LoN is currently best, but Invoker received massive buffs(you maintain on aoe 20+ stacks so you now have 700% thorns increase instead of 500%) and you now do 800% per melee vs 600% and now thorns can AoE and benefit from Provoke shield and Provoke shield is buffing Hack so Hack is better now too. It all adds up to being better for high GR pushing. LoN will still be able to do 97/98 like like, but invoker is probably gonna see 103-105 this season.

PTR is gonna end a few days after season ends basically so we have less than 10-12 days to see a change. We haven't seen changes to PTR for almost a month. This patch is just buffing sets that weren't used to be used.
 
jbotwww said:
LoN was never suppose to be better. They never once said it should be better. They said it should be viable option and it has been. It is the best DH(still is on PTR because they doubled its output by buffing the FoK Dagger), best WD(might barely get outshined by Helltooth because it went from 900 to 1500%), Crusader LoN is currently best, but Invoker received massive buffs(you maintain on aoe 20+ stacks so you now have 700% thorns increase instead of 500%) and you now do 800% per melee vs 600% and now thorns can AoE and benefit from Provoke shield and Provoke shield is buffing Hack so Hack is better now too. It all adds up to being better for high GR pushing. LoN will still be able to do 97/98 like like, but invoker is probably gonna see 103-105 this season.

PTR is gonna end a few days after season ends basically so we have less than 10-12 days to see a change. We haven't seen changes to PTR for almost a month. This patch is just buffing sets that weren't used to be used.
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Well shit. I hate when I'm wrong. Thanks for the info.

I still think LoN should logically be at the top for GR, simply because LoN sader is a bitch to gear and people have earned that right. But the blue post makes it clear they are trying to make all sets equally viable. So who knows, Invoker might actually take the cake.

This catering to mediocrity to maximize profits has really destroyed Blizzard's gaming integrity... Screw the noobs, if I do a lot of work to get badass gear, I should be at the top and keep what I earned. (Talking more about games like WoW, D3 is obviously a joke.)
 
Fisher67 said:
Well shit. I hate when I'm wrong. Thanks for the info.

I still think LoN should logically be at the top for GR, simply because LoN sader is a bitch to gear and people have earned that right. But the blue post makes it clear they are trying to make all sets equally viable. So who knows, Invoker might actually take the cake.

This catering to mediocrity to maximize profits has really destroyed Blizzard's gaming integrity... Screw the noobs, if I do a lot of work to get badass gear, I should be at the top and keep what I earned. (Talking more about games like WoW, D3 is obviously a joke.)
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I mean tougher to gear shouldn't mean best. Best should change seasonally to make seasons different and that is what is happening to everyone but barb(same playstyle diff setup) and DH are unchanging.

I totally get what you mean though. Granted maybe a different type of LoN sader setup should have pulled ahead this season instead so it wasn't the same thing or something.
 
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