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Is Anyone Assembling the Ban Data?

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Going to be setting up a Ban-test soon.
I would be interested in feedback and suggestions.
Sofar its going to be:

1x SOR = 24/7 botting
1X normal 24/7 AH
1x normal 24/7 Gathering
1x normal 24/7 Grinding

1x SOR = 16/7 botting
1X normal 16/7 AH
1x normal 16/7 Gathering
1x normal 16/7 Grinding

1x SOR = 8/7 botting
1X normal 8/7 AH
1x normal 8/7 Gathering
1x normal 8/7 Grinding

And
3x80 on same account botting in 3x8 hours shifts.
SOR/AH/Gathering and Grinding.

This will however sadly be privileged information since this will run me roughly 1300 euro.
 
So you want us to help you design your test ... but you're not planning on handing out the information. Got it.

I understand your costs are high to do it, but if it isn't going to help anyone (except maybe folks who will pay you for it, and since I don't bot for profit, @!&~ that, seriously) ... not much incentive for most of us.

I will say this ... you're not covering any more than existing ban reports will cover if they were compiled and taken seriously. And if they aren't ... why should your info change that?

Your test results still won't show HOW they are catching folks. We know they've caught people doing all of the activities you're proposing. We know they've caught people who only bot for an hour or two and others who got away with 24/7 for years.

So, your information sadly will be a lot of money for little return. Sure, it will add to the statistical data, but it isn't going to add something significant beyond the existing reports.

We already know that there are lot of behaviors in the bot that make people suspicious and cause reports.

The only question we really need answered is this: IS there some form of detection going on that actually inspects the game running on your system (and if so, then we need to know what that detection is finding), or are they still basing bans on observed behaviors. I don't see how your tests will discover that answer.

If the answer to the above is "yes" then we're all in trouble, though it would appear that if it is so that they can't do it en masse yet.

If the answer to the above is "no" then we need HB to start working on these obvious behavior issues some ... however nothing is going to make AFK botting 100 percent safe.
 
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If i read all this I would love a Bannwave so all smegheads who cry : BANNWAVE will see how it rellay works!
 
mudplayerx said:
Blizzard cannot scan your memory outside of it's products. To do so would get them sued and probably shut down for invasion of privacy issues. This presents warden with a huge disadvantage when trying to detect bots.
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Actually they can:

"You hereby acknowledge and agree that:

A. WHEN RUNNING, THE GAME MAY MONITOR YOUR COMPUTER'S RANDOM ACCESS MEMORY (RAM) AND/OR CPU PROCESSES FOR UNAUTHORIZED THIRD PARTY PROGRAMS RUNNING CONCURRENTLY WITH WORLD OF WARCRAFT. AN ?UNAUTHORIZED THIRD PARTY PROGRAM? AS USED HEREIN SHALL BE DEFINED AS ANY THIRD PARTY SOFTWARE THAT, WHEN USED SIMULTANEOUSLY OR IN CONNECTION WITH THE GAME, WOULD CONSTITUTE A VIOLATION OF SECTIONS 1, 2 OR 7. IN THE EVENT THAT THE GAME DETECTS AN UNAUTHORIZED THIRD PARTY PROGRAM, BLIZZARD MAY (a) COMMUNICATE INFORMATION BACK TO BLIZZARD, INCLUDING WITHOUT LIMITATION THE ACCOUNT NAME, DETAILS ABOUT THE UNAUTHORIZED THIRD PARTY PROGRAM DETECTED, AND THE TIME AND DATE THE UNAUTHORIZED THIRD PARTY PROGRAM WAS DETECTED; AND/OR (b) EXERCISE ANY OR ALL OF ITS RIGHTS UNDER ANY BLIZZARD AGREEMENT, WITH OR WITHOUT PRIOR NOTICE TO THE USER."

straight from http://us.blizzard.com/en-us/company/legal/wow_tou.html

You may want to read it ;)
 
in US court system, blizzard were not allowed to scan outside WoW.exe, but in the EU it's different and they could scan outside WoW.exe but there are lots of laws which haven't been tested in court in regards to peoples privacy.
 
idc if you disagree with me but im quoting what a blizzard employe told me on the phone " if you are playing worldofwarcraft and a know program is detected running on your computer your account will be flaged for investigation or insta banned wether or not that program was being used for wow." this means if you are using Cheat Engine to cheat at some facebook game and your playing wow at the same time, you have a chance of being banned from wow. if you dont believe blizzard can detect other program on your computer go DL and open cheat engine( which i use for online games/pc games COD//Crysis,) and try to open wow. 99.9% of the time wow will give you a msg saying the detected the program and wont even open.
 
HipDrahve said:
How do you explain fresh accounts with no possible player reports getting banned near-instantly? I have had five level 10s questing permabanned.
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I dont know all ways that blizzard keep tracks of botters but 2 things are ip/mac address blacklisting aswell as harddrive blacklisting.
While neither is hard to setup/avoid properly, a wild guess is that 95% of all botters have no idea or dont bother :p
 
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No need to spend this much money to test for bans, they ban trail accounts just as hard, something smells fishy...

Macatho said:
Going to be setting up a Ban-test soon.
I would be interested in feedback and suggestions.
Sofar its going to be:

1x SOR = 24/7 botting
1X normal 24/7 AH
1x normal 24/7 Gathering
1x normal 24/7 Grinding

1x SOR = 16/7 botting
1X normal 16/7 AH
1x normal 16/7 Gathering
1x normal 16/7 Grinding

1x SOR = 8/7 botting
1X normal 8/7 AH
1x normal 8/7 Gathering
1x normal 8/7 Grinding

And
3x80 on same account botting in 3x8 hours shifts.
SOR/AH/Gathering and Grinding.

This will however sadly be privileged information since this will run me roughly 1300 euro.
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tomten said:
I dont know all ways that blizzard keep tracks of botters but 2 things are ip/mac address blacklisting aswell as harddrive blacklisting.
While neither is hard to setup/avoid properly, a wild guess is that 95% of all botters have no idea or dont bother :p
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Can you PM me on how to avoid those things you mentioned then?
 
furyz0r said:
Can you PM me on how to avoid those things you mentioned then?
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I'm putting on my tinfoil hat for you ... but with this caveat: plenty of people have been getting away with botting without worrying about this level of protection. If you can avoid player reports then it won't matter if you have a bunch of connecting information about you as -so far- it seems player reports are still the main cause. The information below won't help you with that ... it is only for helping to protect your other accounts if one gets caught. But if you can get caught by player report on one ... you can just as easily get caught on the others.

...

The only way to COMPLETELY avoid Blizzard's ability to connect your accounts? It isn't cheap. No need to PM.

* Use separate billing information

* Use a separate machine for each of your bot accounts

* Use a separate NETWORK for each of your accounts.

.... Don't use public V P N services, they are pretty much all instant flags.

.... Either get different ISPs

.... or set up a V P N to a friend/family member on their private ISP connection ... preferably geographically distant ... as in on an ISP in a different city/state.

...

If you can't use a separate network for each account, find an ISP that aggregates lots of people behind a single public IP. You will still be flaggable by IP address but if it is a large ISP with many people on the same IP the risk is lower.


If you can't find a way to get behind a single IP with MANY people, then try to at least get multiple IP addresses to your "home" connection so that you don't have your router's MAC attached to everything (even with different VMs ... if they all connect through a NAT'ed router that router will be the MAC that Blizzard sees).


And remember this part: they can keep the information for a very long time. So if, like me, you set up your original bot on the same PC as your main account ... you need to move both of them to new, separate, networks and machines to break the chain of evidence.


It is easier for the "casual" botter because you only need 1 extra network address and 1 extra machine. For each bot account you want to run you multiply the complexity if you truly want no real connection UNLESS you are willing to run all of your bots from the same network/machine and have them all banned in batch (but keeping your main separate if you have a main account, to protect it).
 
mizzle said:
Actually they can:

"You hereby acknowledge and agree that:

A. WHEN RUNNING, THE GAME MAY MONITOR YOUR COMPUTER'S RANDOM ACCESS MEMORY (RAM) AND/OR CPU PROCESSES FOR UNAUTHORIZED THIRD PARTY PROGRAMS RUNNING CONCURRENTLY WITH WORLD OF WARCRAFT. AN ?UNAUTHORIZED THIRD PARTY PROGRAM? AS USED HEREIN SHALL BE DEFINED AS ANY THIRD PARTY SOFTWARE THAT, WHEN USED SIMULTANEOUSLY OR IN CONNECTION WITH THE GAME, WOULD CONSTITUTE A VIOLATION OF SECTIONS 1, 2 OR 7. IN THE EVENT THAT THE GAME DETECTS AN UNAUTHORIZED THIRD PARTY PROGRAM, BLIZZARD MAY (a) COMMUNICATE INFORMATION BACK TO BLIZZARD, INCLUDING WITHOUT LIMITATION THE ACCOUNT NAME, DETAILS ABOUT THE UNAUTHORIZED THIRD PARTY PROGRAM DETECTED, AND THE TIME AND DATE THE UNAUTHORIZED THIRD PARTY PROGRAM WAS DETECTED; AND/OR (b) EXERCISE ANY OR ALL OF ITS RIGHTS UNDER ANY BLIZZARD AGREEMENT, WITH OR WITHOUT PRIOR NOTICE TO THE USER."

straight from http://us.blizzard.com/en-us/company/legal/wow_tou.html

You may want to read it ;)
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You just repeated exactly what I said in blizzards own words
 
Guys, this section is for ban REPORTS.
not lets talk about bans and spread misinformation, freakout everyone who doesnt know better and troll each other section.

thread closed.
 
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