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How does WoW ban?

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Lordmavick

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I'll keep this short, sweet, and to the point.

Just curious as to how Blizz banns accounts? If I move characters, "should" they be safe? Or does Blizz ban by I.P. and any BNet associated with my I.P. will be banned?

Yes I'm paranoid. Lol.
 
That's a pretty broad question. Can you be a little more specific? They have done IP / Bnet bans before but those are very very severe punishments, and don't happen anywhere near as often as just banning the account that committed the infraction(s).
 
They ban however they see fit. There's no one specific answer to this question. Sometimes they ban every account they find, sometimes they ban just the offending account. One fact is, you'll never know when a ban is coming. You could spend $100's a week moving characters between accounts for a false sense of security. It would be a false sense though, because there's no one set of rules when it comes to reviewing and taking action on an account. They do what they want with their product.

If you're paranoid about losing your account, botting's probably not for you.
 
It's speculation, but with bans it's always yes and no. They could ban you for any reason as long as it's not illegal like racial profiling or invasion of privacy. I'd say if you forked over the money to save a character they'd probably just ignore it unless that specific character was the one under investigation. Character transfers are super expensive, and is more expensive than a battle chest a couple times over. So unless you have a personal attachment to the character most will say it's not worth it. If you want a devil's advocate answer, I'd say it probably does help your chances however slight.
 
Thanks for the answers, guys. I only say I'm paranoid due to the recent TripWire event. Otherwise I would have no issue with botting, as would many on this site. Anyone who says they're not worried in the slightest due to the recent events, is either botting solely on a burn account, or is lying lol.

That said, I will be watching the ban section on forums like a hawk and watch to see what unfolds.

Thank you!

-Michael.
 
IP banning is a very bad banning method that nobody should ever practice. Not only are IP addresses limited, but the majority of internet users are assigned their addresses dynamically, this means that blacklisting an IP does not prevent that user from coming back. Furthermore, banning any given IP is the same as banning random people once that IP is redistributed, not to mention that you could potentially ban internet cafe's or other similar establishments. There are too many flaws. HWID or simply by account ID would be much more appropriate.

Sorry for the rant, but I can't see a reason why Blizzard would ban IP addresses (whether they actually do or not).
 
TheGodKing said:
IP banning is a very bad banning method that nobody should ever practice. Not only are IP addresses limited, but the majority of internet users are assigned their addresses dynamically, this means that blacklisting an IP does not prevent that user from coming back. Furthermore, banning any given IP is the same as banning random people once that IP is redistributed, not to mention that you could potentially ban internet cafe's or other similar establishments. There are too many flaws. HWID or simply by account ID would be much more appropriate.

Sorry for the rant, but I can't see a reason why Blizzard would ban IP addresses (whether they actually do or not).
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If you say blizzard bans by MAC addresses, how many people do you think understands ?
They also go by hdd serial and most likely lots of other hwids.
 
tomten said:
If you say blizzard bans by MAC addresses, how many people do you think understands ?
They also go by hdd serial and most likely lots of other hwids.
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I would agree, banning by MAC would make more sense, but the problem with people coming back is still an issue, as MAC addresses are extremely easy to spoof.
 
Lordmavick said:
I would agree, banning by MAC would make more sense, but the problem with people coming back is still an issue, as MAC addresses are extremely easy to spoof.
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I cant speak on all measures blizz has in place, but 2 that hawker has confirmed is MAC and HDD serial.
I'm sure they track tons of other things as you could easily spoof a mac, as you mentioned. (Or use VM to get around HDD).
 
tomten said:
I cant speak on all measures blizz has in place, but 2 that hawker has confirmed is MAC and HDD serial.
I'm sure they track tons of other things as you could easily spoof a mac, as you mentioned. (Or use VM to get around HDD).
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I'd love to see a post from Hawker about this as it is complete and utter nonsense (I was gonna use a stronger word but thought the better of it).
Blizzard isn't allowed to read your MAC or HDD serial from your PC. They simply can't do this. It's against the law (well, at least it is here in Europe). They could use the MAC of the system connecting to their servers but all they got there is the MAC of an ISP router which wouldn't really be smart to ban (anyone on cable in the Netherlands will eventually be on the same ISP so they'd be banning just about all Dutch players; not a smart thing to do).

No, they don't ban on IP, but they can use it to help their investigation.
No, they don't ban on MAC. Not only are they not allowed to read the MAC from a local NIC, not only are they easy to spoof, they are also NOT unique (there was a series of popular NICs in the past that all had the exact same MAC address.. You wanna take the risk of banning all those people? Millions of those were sold.....)
No, they don't ban on HDD serial. Again: Against the law, again easy to spoof (yes you can change the hwid reported serial), easy to change (replace the HDD and you can't be tracked?), easy to manipulate (use a VM and suddenly you have the same serial as a million other people).

A computer doesn't have any information that Blizzard is allowed to read that can identify the player. Not so strange as that's exactly what European privacy laws are supposed to protect. Any information that can identify the player (outside the information necessary to log on to the service) is protected by privacy laws and thus off limits.
 
tomten said:
I'm aware, are you aware its not the first, and doubtfully, the last time blizz breaks the law ?
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Since the Warden debacle they are under close scrutiny of a number of European countries. I sincerely doubt they would jeopardise their reputation by breaking the laws of the country their HQ resides in.
 
TheGodKing said:
IP banning is a very bad banning method that nobody should ever practice. Not only are IP addresses limited, but the majority of internet users are assigned their addresses dynamically, this means that blacklisting an IP does not prevent that user from coming back. Furthermore, banning any given IP is the same as banning random people once that IP is redistributed, not to mention that you could potentially ban internet cafe's or other similar establishments. There are too many flaws. HWID or simply by account ID would be much more appropriate.

Sorry for the rant, but I can't see a reason why Blizzard would ban IP addresses (whether they actually do or not).
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