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Honorbuddy Detected?

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You mean the tripwire that just happened last week, not a month ago? FYI,
Thanks for the correction, I was mistaken on the date of the tripwire!

He used GarrisonButler before the tripwire and then didn't open honorbuddy at all after it.

Hey there KayKay, I think we're not communicating well about this:

After the HB team released the version I waited until Sunday before start using it again, just to be sure, just used the CR for about 2 hours, and the next day, BAN on the mail.

He was doing fine, didn't use anything after the tripwire from the 19th of March, he then fired up Honorbuddy after the latest Honorbuddy release. Only after starting the new Honorbuddy he was banned (which was not using GarrisonButler or anything but the Combat Routine).

As an aside from this 1 guy: The majority of the reports aren't using a Garrison bot. That's the main idea I was trying to convey, but I guess I did it badly :)
 
Dear Genius,
That is a macro outside of game.

Dear Not-so-Genius...

I never said it was. But in reference to your original post you implied that the ability to instantly drop "Aimable" spells was exclusive to HB users and not something a "Normal" player could use. You also implied that it could be used as a point of detection, which again, is False

Your move
 
On the other side of the spectrum, I did use HB after the tripwire. The same day. and the next day. and the next day. All the way to Tuesday using raid CR+Enyo only. Never gathered, never garrison profiled, don't run dungeons, don't run it in world etc. Only 1 character. 1 account.

Not banned.

There is no hard and fast explanation for the bannings or a 1-size-fits-all approach. The best thing is to wait for the HB team to respond and investigate before people bring out the pitchforks and start pointing fingers. Several people using your exact configuration were banned. This further indicates that we really have no idea what's going on.
 
Dear Not-so-Genius...

I never said it was. But in reference to your original post you implied that the ability to instantly drop "Aimable" spells was exclusive to HB users and not something a "Normal" player could use. You also implied that it could be used as a point of detection, which again, is False

Your move

I think you're confusing me with https://www.thebuddyforum.com/honorbuddy-forum/209121-honorbuddy-detected-3.html#post1903839
He said that it was a point of detection and something a normal player couldn't do. I argued otherwise with "2. Activate aimable spells yourself." Maybe you should read names better?
I also never once said it was an HB only thing. I simply said that you can't simply use a mouseover macro. Maybe it was worded incorrectly, but I am still partially correct for saying that you cannot only use a mouseover macro to place aimable spells.

Not to mention that I'm pretty sure 2 actions with 1 button outside of wow breaks ToS. Not 100% sure on it, but I believe I did read somewhere that outside keyboard/mouse macros should only do 1 action per 1 button.
 
First off, I am not Pro nor Con on the subject as it relates to the OP, However I would like to address this. When I play by hand I use a ton of Macros, including Mouseover Macros, especially when I am playing a DOT class so your argument that a "Normal player" would not spread Multiples DOT's without ever selecting a Target is invalid to me. Also I have similar Macros(ingame) paired with Macros(Keyboard/mouse) that treat "Aimable spells (Blizzard/Heroic Leap...ect)" as basically a cast at mouse location spell, which again weakens your argument. Finally there are plenty of "Whackamole" type addons out there that Highlight exactly what spell to cast, which buff to refresh and a general laundry list of what to do next that this cannot be a legitimate tool for weeding us out.

Now as it relates to the OP "Is HB detected?", well technically speaking the answer is Yes, anytime someone is Banned HB was in some manor "Detected", either by reports, scripts, or manual investigation. I believe what you mean by detected is that Blizzard can see the HB process running on all of our machines instantly with the flip of a switch. While the latter is up for debate I believe it to be highly unlikely (not impossible). my opinions are just that...Opinions, but here is why I doubt that Blizz can see us all whenever they want.

1. The age old argument that we would "All be banned", while I have my own feelings on wether Blizz would actually Ban all of us at once if they could see us, the truth remains that if they could see us all then they would likely rid themselves of us eventually. (I know its a pretty weak argument)

2. I suspect that if they could see us all that they would use it as a tool to make money and not simply ban us all at once, but rather roll out Bans in waves in order to keep enough people coming back to keep the machine rolling while demonstrating to the "ban all bots" user that they are making an effort. If this were the case though I don't believe you would see certain activities scoring quicker bans than others. it would just be random selection groups of folks using HB.

3.Based on my personal experience and having watched/participated in these forums for many years (old account that dates back well before the shown start date of this forums account) that many of the things that we accept as generally true are that Player reports are largely responsible for many of our bans. That Blizz certainly uses auto ban scripts as it relates to Time, Kills, Gold... and many others (I don't believe it is any one thing, rather a combination of things that draws a flag), and that GMs can personally investigate an account and determine fairly accurately if someone was Botting.

Now for my speculation: If these recent reports are true and that people are actually being Banned for simply using CR's and an "Enyo" type Botbases then perhaps something is afoot. I do know that I can often times spot certain "Bottish" behaviors in raid groups. Things like Auto-Buffing the entire group every time someone joins or leaves the raid, re-buffing every time you swap out a piece of gear or talent, instant group buffs upon entering the raid, tossing out random heals while the group is standing idle waiting to fill or explaining a pull, insta interrupts.....The list goes on. I believe in pressing stop on my bot to ensure that it does absolutely nothing out of combat, I handle all of my major CD's (See Shammy popping lust the millisecond a boss is tagged, or Pally popping wings and hammering away on an immune target), my own interrupts, and buffs. Disable instant Battle rez and many more like this as I think they are dead giveaways. Maybe this is all ther is to it and could explain why my accounts are alive (knock on wood) and others are not.

Now put on your tinfoil hats and take a walk on the wild side. I have often speculated or wondered if the CR is not what is giving us away. We know for a fact (given the World of logs, and other such sites) that Blizz already has in place the ability to track every spell cast, every step, and every nose pick completed in the game, and exactly when each of these actions occurred. Based on these suspicions I started sorrting through a Metric Shit ton of logs and started noticing disturbing trends. After looking at my own personal (Warcraft logs) i began noticing trends in spells cast, the order in which they are cast, and the timing of those casts. When I compare them to logs from other players they usually are not nearly as linear...yes they are similar but I started picking up on exactly how precise the routines are compared to playing by hand. If I can see this with the naked eye, I am pretty sure that Blizz can write a script to pick up on this.

I think that routines should "Mess up" randomly and randomize the timing of spells cast (I'm talking Milliseconds here not timing that would cripple the CR" among other things. I think in our search for the perfect rotation that we are exposing ourselves to others. Nearly every CR executes on opening combination the exact way on every mob it touches, the same order, the same speed between casts and so on. No human player Always selects the exact same order of spells, every single time and with the exact same timing between button presses. I admit that again this is speculation, but I think it is food for thought from the Devs.

Thanks for reading my long winded post if in fact you have.

You should find how PQR banwave, Glider banwave, Pirox banwave were handled... thousands of ppl banned in single moment.

Absolutely untrue. Any keyboard or mouse with an editable Macro function can easily pull this off by simply telling it to press "Mouse-Left click" when this button is pressed and then dropping the spell on the corresponding Button/Bar

Just one thing, Macro key board where one key is bound to more then one another key (or more then one thing in wow) is technically bot and It was confirmed on official forums that such thing can lead to ban (but it is rare)
 
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Most reports r from US, looks like preparation for token release. Can be wrong aswell tho.
 
I think you're confusing me with https://www.thebuddyforum.com/honorbuddy-forum/209121-honorbuddy-detected-3.html#post1903839
He said that it was a point of detection and something a normal player couldn't do. I argued otherwise with "2. Activate aimable spells yourself." Maybe you should read names better?
I also never once said it was an HB only thing. I simply said that you can't simply use a mouseover macro. Maybe it was worded incorrectly, but I am still partially correct for saying that you cannot only use a mouseover macro to place aimable spells.

Not to mention that I'm pretty sure 2 actions with 1 button outside of wow breaks ToS. Not 100% sure on it, but I believe I did read somewhere that outside keyboard/mouse macros should only do 1 action per 1 button.

Apologies,
You are correct, I had my users and responses confused. I'm still a bit unclear why the sarcastic tone of "Dear Genius" needed to be used, but whatever.
You are correct in Stating that in game this mouseover macro cannot be accomplished. I just wanted to highlight that a "Normal user" can pull this off without much effort as well. We are arguing over semantics and both are technically correct.
 
You one thing, Macro key board where one key bind to more then one another key (or more then one thing in wow) is technically bot and It was confirmed on official forums that such thing can lead to ban (but it is rare)

Not to mention that I'm pretty sure 2 actions with 1 button outside of wow breaks ToS. Not 100% sure on it, but I believe I did read somewhere that outside keyboard/mouse macros should only do 1 action per 1 button.

This is a whole different discussion, and one I am honestly unsure of. It could very well be against the TOS, but to be fair since Blizz is not required to disclose anything regarding the purpose for your Ban they can claim just about anything. As it related to this topic though, the point I was trying to make is that none HB users can and do, so this all of the time. It is a popular Macro combination that you can find on many "Macro" sites. In fact I am reasonably certain that the first time that I saw it was on the B.Net forums themselves. I know a ton of people that play by hand that us this and I have never heard of anyone being banned for doing it, so I don;t think it could be used as a valid search tool to ban us.
 
Dear Alisha's shill stop sucking up to her. She wont be giving you nudes.
The forum poster, you quoting, "KayKay" have informed us already, that he have NOT used any Garrison botbase, so this kind of flaming is unmotivated and pointless!

More than that,
Such demonstration of offensive and unmature language have no place on these forums.

I am surprised, It comes from a fellow forum member, registered almost 5 years ago!
 
This is a whole different discussion, and one I am honestly unsure of. It could very well be against the TOS, but to be fair since Blizz is not required to disclose anything regarding the purpose for your Ban they can claim just about anything. As it related to this topic though, the point I was trying to make is that none HB users can and do, so this all of the time. It is a popular Macro combination that you can find on many "Macro" sites. In fact I am reasonably certain that the first time that I saw it was on the B.Net forums themselves. I know a ton of people that play by hand that us this and I have never heard of anyone being banned for doing it, so I don;t think it could be used as a valid search tool to ban us.

http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/1772567980#10
 
Well,this is some scary stuff,wish I had read this before I fired up HB with HBRelog this morning , to run garrisonbutler to do missions only on both my accounts ,10 chars each.
Will see when I get back home tonight,weather I got cought or not.
Will definitely stop using HB for a while till we get a word from developers.
 
Welp, pretty scary indeed.

I use(d) this macro combination often:

/run function FnH() for i=0,4 do for j=1,GetContainerNumSlots(i) do local t={GetItemInfo(GetContainerItemLink(i,j) or 0)} if t[7]=="Herb" and select(2,GetContainerItemInfo(i,j))>=5 then return i.." "..j,t[1] end end end end

and

/run local f,l,n=AuM or CreateFrame("Button","AuM",nil,"SecureActionButtonTemplate") f:SetAttribute("type","macro") l,n=FnH() if l then f:SetAttribute("macrotext","/cast Milling\n/use "..l) SetMacroItem("Macro Name",n) end
/click AuM

What the first macro does is make an inventory of your herbs and the second macro starts milling herbs with the press of 1 button (i bound it to a key and I can just mash it real quick, with bags closed.

Found the macro on the wow forum, and now I am thinking, maybe that macro got me banned.
 
I have barely been playing all week. Logged on early this morning, set garrison missions, updated honorbuddy and logged off, did not even start the bot...Come back and am now banned. I mainly used enyo for raids and did most by hand...Looks like something is detectable by blizzard...
 
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TLDR: People getting banned, no one knows why, wait for Honorbuddy team to comment
 
Welp, pretty scary indeed.

I use(d) this macro combination often:

/run function FnH() for i=0,4 do for j=1,GetContainerNumSlots(i) do local t={GetItemInfo(GetContainerItemLink(i,j) or 0)} if t[7]=="Herb" and select(2,GetContainerItemInfo(i,j))>=5 then return i.." "..j,t[1] end end end end

and

/run local f,l,n=AuM or CreateFrame("Button","AuM",nil,"SecureActionButtonTemplate") f:SetAttribute("type","macro") l,n=FnH() if l then f:SetAttribute("macrotext","/cast Milling\n/use "..l) SetMacroItem("Macro Name",n) end
/click AuM

What the first macro does is make an inventory of your herbs and the second macro starts milling herbs with the press of 1 button (i bound it to a key and I can just mash it real quick, with bags closed.

Found the macro on the wow forum, and now I am thinking, maybe that macro got me banned.

If thats a macro inside of wow using wows api/lua functionality, i dont see an issue with it.
The main concern was multi action 1 button macros OUTSIDE of wow using keyboard macro buttons.
 
im not if honorbuddy is up the bot is fine and useble if there was a problem the bot would be offline why wait til you get an awnser from the devs they dont give those awnser you wil know when the bot is online or offline thats enough
 
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