I didn't realize GB was a no-no. I don't let it run all day. I let it Mine/Herb while I'm watching some TV. Should I warn my friends off GarrisonButler?
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I didn't realize GB was a no-no. I don't let it run all day. I let it Mine/Herb while I'm watching some TV. Should I warn my friends off GarrisonButler?
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Agreed. I was in a casual guild and they spottedme as a bot after some light raiding on my lock. They didnt report me but mentioned warcraftlogs and how perfect i was, i just quit guild transfered and havent joined a guild since.
Ohh and about Garrisons. Screw that lame crap. I own GarrisonButler and another one i cant recall but cant be bothered clearing my Garrison dailies etc. just too much fooling around and not worth it now with all these ban reports.
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Look at all the ban reports in this thread. Look at a lot of the 6 month ban threads with people that were actually honest. They all have 1 thing in common. They used a garrison profile or w.e.
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Sure seems like there is a correlation between garrison use and bans. Though probably most people do garrison stuff since it's boring and repetitive.
I'm using a very legit 3 client lifetime HB with nothing but GarrisonButler Lite (paid for) and Lazyraider + Tuanha (also paid $89 for all of his stuff). No unattended anything. Both accounts of mine just reecieved the 6 month ban hammer.
You're right, it does seem that way. This was on my main and my first suspension ever. Hope I can talk my way out of it.
"GarrisonButler"
I mean, how many times do I have to post this keyword to make it obvious to new people?
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how in the hell can a garrison bot be detectable? i mean you are literally just in your own instanced space, no one can report you.
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Depends if you are using it for the missions, maybe the coding involved with that is detectable or something. I know nothing about coding to be able to say for certain but other than that I don't see any other flags.
1) When Blizzard ban everyone who was using honorbuddy THAT is a banwave. Detection =/= ban.
2) Ok then you are wrong.
3) Never heard of mouseover macros? And OBVIOUSLY if blizzard wanted to detect all the bots they could super easily make an algorithm to check for suspicious behaviour. You know what would be the first one? Click to Move.
If you think being reported is the only way for detection, then please just never use HB again. Explain how people running 5 man dungeon teams get banned if the only way to get detected is through reports.
Sigh
Mouseover macros do not work for aimable ground spells such as lights hammer, barrier, amz, etc. Also any raider using enyo and a CR will have click to move turned off.
First off, I am not Pro nor Con on the subject as it relates to the OP, However I would like to address this. When I play by hand I use a ton of Macros, including Mouseover Macros, especially when I am playing a DOT class so your argument that a "Normal player" would not spread Multiples DOT's without ever selecting a Target is invalid to me. Also I have similar Macros(ingame) paired with Macros(Keyboard/mouse) that treat "Aimable spells (Blizzard/Heroic Leap...ect)" as basically a cast at mouse location spell, which again weakens your argument. Finally there are plenty of "Whackamole" type addons out there that Highlight exactly what spell to cast, which buff to refresh and a general laundry list of what to do next that this cannot be a legitimate tool for weeding us out.
Now as it relates to the OP "Is HB detected?", well technically speaking the answer is Yes, anytime someone is Banned HB was in some manor "Detected", either by reports, scripts, or manual investigation. I believe what you mean by detected is that Blizzard can see the HB process running on all of our machines instantly with the flip of a switch. While the latter is up for debate I believe it to be highly unlikely (not impossible). my opinions are just that...Opinions, but here is why I doubt that Blizz can see us all whenever they want.
1. The age old argument that we would "All be banned", while I have my own feelings on wether Blizz would actually Ban all of us at once if they could see us, the truth remains that if they could see us all then they would likely rid themselves of us eventually. (I know its a pretty weak argument)
2. I suspect that if they could see us all that they would use it as a tool to make money and not simply ban us all at once, but rather roll out Bans in waves in order to keep enough people coming back to keep the machine rolling while demonstrating to the "ban all bots" user that they are making an effort. If this were the case though I don't believe you would see certain activities scoring quicker bans than others. it would just be random selection groups of folks using HB.
3.Based on my personal experience and having watched/participated in these forums for many years (old account that dates back well before the shown start date of this forums account) that many of the things that we accept as generally true are that Player reports are largely responsible for many of our bans. That Blizz certainly uses auto ban scripts as it relates to Time, Kills, Gold... and many others (I don't believe it is any one thing, rather a combination of things that draws a flag), and that GMs can personally investigate an account and determine fairly accurately if someone was Botting.
Now for my speculation: If these recent reports are true and that people are actually being Banned for simply using CR's and an "Enyo" type Botbases then perhaps something is afoot. I do know that I can often times spot certain "Bottish" behaviors in raid groups. Things like Auto-Buffing the entire group every time someone joins or leaves the raid, re-buffing every time you swap out a piece of gear or talent, instant group buffs upon entering the raid, tossing out random heals while the group is standing idle waiting to fill or explaining a pull, insta interrupts.....The list goes on. I believe in pressing stop on my bot to ensure that it does absolutely nothing out of combat, I handle all of my major CD's (See Shammy popping lust the millisecond a boss is tagged, or Pally popping wings and hammering away on an immune target), my own interrupts, and buffs. Disable instant Battle rez and many more like this as I think they are dead giveaways. Maybe this is all ther is to it and could explain why my accounts are alive (knock on wood) and others are not.
Now put on your tinfoil hats and take a walk on the wild side. I have often speculated or wondered if the CR is not what is giving us away. We know for a fact (given the World of logs, and other such sites) that Blizz already has in place the ability to track every spell cast, every step, and every nose pick completed in the game, and exactly when each of these actions occurred. Based on these suspicions I started sorrting through a Metric Shit ton of logs and started noticing disturbing trends. After looking at my own personal (Warcraft logs) i began noticing trends in spells cast, the order in which they are cast, and the timing of those casts. When I compare them to logs from other players they usually are not nearly as linear...yes they are similar but I started picking up on exactly how precise the routines are compared to playing by hand. If I can see this with the naked eye, I am pretty sure that Blizz can write a script to pick up on this.
I think that routines should "Mess up" randomly and randomize the timing of spells cast (I'm talking Milliseconds here not timing that would cripple the CR" among other things. I think in our search for the perfect rotation that we are exposing ourselves to others. Nearly every CR executes on opening combination the exact way on every mob it touches, the same order, the same speed between casts and so on. No human player Always selects the exact same order of spells, every single time and with the exact same timing between button presses. I admit that again this is speculation, but I think it is food for thought from the Devs.
Thanks for reading my long winded post if in fact you have.
Absolutely untrue. Any keyboard or mouse with an editable Macro function can easily pull this off by simply telling it to press "Mouse-Left click" when this button is pressed and then dropping the spell on the corresponding Button/Bar
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As part of this "ban wave" (if you can call it that) you'll notice plenty of people NOT using Garrison related bots:
https://www.thebuddyforum.com/honorbuddy-forum/ban-section-ban-reports/209143-6-month-ban.html
https://www.thebuddyforum.com/honorbuddy-forum/ban-section-ban-reports/209135-1-1-6-months-eu.html
https://www.thebuddyforum.com/honor...received-mail-explaining-duration-reason.html
https://www.thebuddyforum.com/honorbuddy-forum/ban-section-ban-reports/209131-6-month-ban.html
https://www.thebuddyforum.com/honorbuddy-forum/ban-section-ban-reports/209129-6-month-ban.html
https://www.thebuddyforum.com/honor...on-ban-reports/209029-6-month-suspension.html
https://www.thebuddyforum.com/honor...94-1-1-ban-6-months-finally-curse-broken.html
https://www.thebuddyforum.com/honor...on-ban-reports/208988-6-month-ban-hammer.html
https://www.thebuddyforum.com/honor.../208987-1-3-main-account-banned-6-months.html
https://www.thebuddyforum.com/honor...rts/208967-suspension-6-months-1-account.html
Specific confirmation that GarrisonButler was not being used and then when they used the NEW Honorbuddy they got banned: https://www.thebuddyforum.com/honorbuddy-forum/ban-section-ban-reports/209110-6-month-ban-wave.html
So please get your facts straight before making random untrue claims.
https://www.thebuddyforum.com/honorbuddy-forum/ban-section-ban-reports/209143-6-month-ban.html
https://www.thebuddyforum.com/honorbuddy-forum/ban-section-ban-reports/209135-1-1-6-months-eu.html
https://www.thebuddyforum.com/honor...received-mail-explaining-duration-reason.html
https://www.thebuddyforum.com/honorbuddy-forum/ban-section-ban-reports/209131-6-month-ban.html
https://www.thebuddyforum.com/honorbuddy-forum/ban-section-ban-reports/209129-6-month-ban.html
https://www.thebuddyforum.com/honor...on-ban-reports/209029-6-month-suspension.html
https://www.thebuddyforum.com/honor...94-1-1-ban-6-months-finally-curse-broken.html
https://www.thebuddyforum.com/honor...on-ban-reports/208988-6-month-ban-hammer.html
https://www.thebuddyforum.com/honor.../208987-1-3-main-account-banned-6-months.html
https://www.thebuddyforum.com/honor...rts/208967-suspension-6-months-1-account.html
Specific confirmation that GarrisonButler was not being used and then when they used the NEW Honorbuddy they got banned: https://www.thebuddyforum.com/honorbuddy-forum/ban-section-ban-reports/209110-6-month-ban-wave.html
So please get your facts straight before making random untrue claims.
Dear Genius,
That is a macro outside of game.
Dear Genius #2
https://www.thebuddyforum.com/honorbuddy-forum/ban-section-ban-reports/209110-6-month-ban-wave.html
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He's referring to the tripwire event from a month ago or whatever it was. He wasn't using anything related to garrisons and got banned only after the latest HB update.
Hope you have a great day!
"5)What combat class were you using? if None Just put Default then the Classname: Enyo + Expose - The PvE Rogue"
Yet mostly all of those either user ENYO or stated they use some other bot (BGFarmer).
I want to see some PVP bans that ONLY use CRs.
Not pve cr's that use Enyo. Since that is my suspicion that it is getting banned.
You mean the tripwire that just happened last week, not a month ago? FYI,
He used GarrisonButler before the tripwire and then didn't open honorbuddy at all after it.
On the other side of the spectrum, I did use HB after the tripwire. The same day. and the next day. and the next day. All the way to Tuesday using raid CR+Enyo only. Never gathered, never garrison profiled, don't run dungeons, don't run it in world etc. Only 1 character. 1 account.
Not banned.
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