HC bots>best char/stats/mp, your thoughts
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enable trinity logs...run your current setup for 1-3 days, save your full log...then up mp to whatever you think you feel like, then run for 1-3 and compare logs.
i only run barbs because they seem the simplest, but your damage seems low (prob because you're using shield).
i only run barbs because they seem the simplest, but your damage seems low (prob because you're using shield).
I'd like to run as high an mp as possible but I don't really want to test the limits of the bot on a hc char without advice from other hard core botters. I'm not a pro botter, and kindof new at this so I guess im just looking for input form other HC botters of their specs/char and preferences
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oops disregard everything i said, totally glazed over the fact that you were talking about HC. HC botting seems so high risk, i'd stick with what you're doing if it's safe.
I run WD p24 now
dps 58k
hp 67k
640res (unbuff)
3300 armor
mp1
survive 8 DK yet
full stat
===== Misc Statistics =====
Total tracking time: 86h 13,00m 58s
Total deaths: 0 [0,00 per hour]
Total games (approx): 2145 [24,87 per hour]
Total XP gained: 757,88 million [8,79 million per hour]
===== Item DROP Statistics =====
Items:
Total items dropped: 23268 [269,83 per hour]
Items dropped by ilvl:
- ilvl60: 4767 [55,28 per hour] {20,49 %}
- ilvl61: 7697 [89,26 per hour] {33,08 %}
- ilvl62: 4805 [55,72 per hour] {20,65 %}
- ilvl63: 2181 [25,29 per hour] {9,37 %}
Items dropped by quality:
- White: 11053 [128,18 per hour] {47,50 %}
--- ilvl 60 White: 1907 [22,11 per hour] {8,20 %}
--- ilvl 61 White: 3665 [42,50 per hour] {15,75 %}
--- ilvl 62 White: 2403 [27,87 per hour] {10,33 %}
--- ilvl 63 White: 1192 [13,82 per hour] {5,12 %}
- Magic: 9404 [109,05 per hour] {40,42 %}
--- ilvl 60 Magic: 2265 [26,27 per hour] {9,73 %}
--- ilvl 61 Magic: 3078 [35,69 per hour] {13,23 %}
--- ilvl 62 Magic: 1891 [21,93 per hour] {8,13 %}
--- ilvl 63 Magic: 757 [8,78 per hour] {3,25 %}
- Rare: 2779 [32,23 per hour] {11,94 %}
--- ilvl 60 Rare: 589 [6,83 per hour] {2,53 %}
--- ilvl 61 Rare: 941 [10,91 per hour] {4,04 %}
--- ilvl 62 Rare: 507 [5,88 per hour] {2,18 %}
--- ilvl 63 Rare: 224 [2,60 per hour] {0,96 %}
- Legendary: 32 [0,37 per hour] {0,14 %}
--- ilvl 58 Legendary: 1 [0,01 per hour] {0,00 %}
--- ilvl 60 Legendary: 6 [0,07 per hour] {0,03 %}
--- ilvl 61 Legendary: 13 [0,15 per hour] {0,06 %}
--- ilvl 62 Legendary: 4 [0,05 per hour] {0,02 %}
--- ilvl 63 Legendary: 8 [0,09 per hour] {0,03 %}
dps 58k
hp 67k
640res (unbuff)
3300 armor
mp1
survive 8 DK yet
full stat
===== Misc Statistics =====
Total tracking time: 86h 13,00m 58s
Total deaths: 0 [0,00 per hour]
Total games (approx): 2145 [24,87 per hour]
Total XP gained: 757,88 million [8,79 million per hour]
===== Item DROP Statistics =====
Items:
Total items dropped: 23268 [269,83 per hour]
Items dropped by ilvl:
- ilvl60: 4767 [55,28 per hour] {20,49 %}
- ilvl61: 7697 [89,26 per hour] {33,08 %}
- ilvl62: 4805 [55,72 per hour] {20,65 %}
- ilvl63: 2181 [25,29 per hour] {9,37 %}
Items dropped by quality:
- White: 11053 [128,18 per hour] {47,50 %}
--- ilvl 60 White: 1907 [22,11 per hour] {8,20 %}
--- ilvl 61 White: 3665 [42,50 per hour] {15,75 %}
--- ilvl 62 White: 2403 [27,87 per hour] {10,33 %}
--- ilvl 63 White: 1192 [13,82 per hour] {5,12 %}
- Magic: 9404 [109,05 per hour] {40,42 %}
--- ilvl 60 Magic: 2265 [26,27 per hour] {9,73 %}
--- ilvl 61 Magic: 3078 [35,69 per hour] {13,23 %}
--- ilvl 62 Magic: 1891 [21,93 per hour] {8,13 %}
--- ilvl 63 Magic: 757 [8,78 per hour] {3,25 %}
- Rare: 2779 [32,23 per hour] {11,94 %}
--- ilvl 60 Rare: 589 [6,83 per hour] {2,53 %}
--- ilvl 61 Rare: 941 [10,91 per hour] {4,04 %}
--- ilvl 62 Rare: 507 [5,88 per hour] {2,18 %}
--- ilvl 63 Rare: 224 [2,60 per hour] {0,96 %}
- Legendary: 32 [0,37 per hour] {0,14 %}
--- ilvl 58 Legendary: 1 [0,01 per hour] {0,00 %}
--- ilvl 60 Legendary: 6 [0,07 per hour] {0,03 %}
--- ilvl 61 Legendary: 13 [0,15 per hour] {0,06 %}
--- ilvl 62 Legendary: 4 [0,05 per hour] {0,02 %}
--- ilvl 63 Legendary: 8 [0,09 per hour] {0,03 %}
I had barb paragon 38
he died mp 0 act 3 , he had to stand in something nasty for a long time without moving, i tested him on things like molten+mobs, and he was full hp all the time
8k armor, 700res, 60khp, 30k dps, 4500life regen, passive skill 50% dmg reduction while <20%hp
with my disconnects, and sometimes db and relogger problems im looking for a setup which will handle act3 mp0 without dieing in any cases, even when db is stopped and character is standing for the infinite time in the middle of molten/lasers etc
any ideas which char/build could handle standing anywhere 24/7 without moving and dieing?
he died mp 0 act 3 , he had to stand in something nasty for a long time without moving, i tested him on things like molten+mobs, and he was full hp all the time
8k armor, 700res, 60khp, 30k dps, 4500life regen, passive skill 50% dmg reduction while <20%hp
with my disconnects, and sometimes db and relogger problems im looking for a setup which will handle act3 mp0 without dieing in any cases, even when db is stopped and character is standing for the infinite time in the middle of molten/lasers etc
any ideas which char/build could handle standing anywhere 24/7 without moving and dieing?
I have been HC botting for about a year now. You have hit it on the button with the doomsday scenario. The scenario that will undeniably occur is DB crashing and your bot forced to stand for minimum 30 minutes without attacking/moving. Of course you can dodge the danger in this by supervising your bots but if you are supervising them you might be better off supervising at mcdonalds. Anyways, i can pretty much guarantee you there is no build that can survive every doomsday scenario. Arcane is simply WAY TOO MEAN. Stand in 4 arcanes and watch your life and then imagine 4 arcanes with desecration etc... I have built barbs with buffed 1200 AR, 11k armor, and 3.5k LR. Of course your impunity will wear off in this scenario so remove some AR and Armor from the stats. Again, I have the experience to confidently tell you there is no BARB build that can survive every doomsday scenario. If you bot in HC you 100% can wake up any day and have a dead bot.
Edit: forgot to mention i have also had Elite Reduction, melee reduction, and range reduction couple with 1200 AR, 11k armor, 3.5k LR. Even then you will still die to arcanes. Imagine 4 arcanes thrown directly on your bot while he isn't moving for 30 minutes.
thx for that info, i was thinking about something like thorns summon wd build, but those experiments probably will take too much time not enough profit, so i guess i will go back to softcore botting
maybe item patch will bring something new
There are 2 solutions:
1 WD with Pets. (My WD p40, survive 12 DK + 2 DB crash).
2 Archon with Storm Armor + Reactive Armor
WD takes 5 sec to kill any elite, pets <15.
Total tracking time: 34h 27m 49s
Total deaths: 0 [0 per hour]
Total games (approx): 816 [23,68 per hour]
Total XP gained: 382,22 million [11,09 million per hour]
Total Gold gained: -10409,99 Thousand [-302,06 Thousand per hour]
===== Item DROP Statistics =====
Items:
Total items dropped: 9404 [272,87 per hour]
Items dropped by ilvl:
- ilvl58: 698 [20,25 per hour] {7,42 %}
- ilvl59: 283 [8,21 per hour] {3,01 %}
- ilvl60: 1580 [45,85 per hour] {16,8 %}
- ilvl61: 3160 [91,69 per hour] {33,6 %}
- ilvl62: 2380 [69,06 per hour] {25,31 %}
- ilvl63: 1303 [37,81 per hour] {13,86 %}
Items dropped by quality:
- White: 4545 [131,88 per hour] {48,33 %}
--- ilvl 58 White: 344 [9,98 per hour] {3,66 %}
--- ilvl 59 White: 131 [3,8 per hour] {1,39 %}
--- ilvl 60 White: 650 [18,86 per hour] {6,91 %}
--- ilvl 61 White: 1499 [43,49 per hour] {15,94 %}
--- ilvl 62 White: 1197 [34,73 per hour] {12,73 %}
--- ilvl 63 White: 724 [21,01 per hour] {7,7 %}
- Magic: 3659 [106,17 per hour] {38,91 %}
--- ilvl 58 Magic: 253 [7,34 per hour] {2,69 %}
--- ilvl 59 Magic: 99 [2,87 per hour] {1,05 %}
--- ilvl 60 Magic: 719 [20,86 per hour] {7,65 %}
--- ilvl 61 Magic: 1256 [36,44 per hour] {13,36 %}
--- ilvl 62 Magic: 898 [26,06 per hour] {9,55 %}
--- ilvl 63 Magic: 434 [12,59 per hour] {4,62 %}
- Rare: 1182 [34,3 per hour] {12,57 %}
--- ilvl 58 Rare: 101 [2,93 per hour] {1,07 %}
--- ilvl 59 Rare: 53 [1,54 per hour] {0,56 %}
--- ilvl 60 Rare: 207 [6,01 per hour] {2,2 %}
--- ilvl 61 Rare: 400 [11,61 per hour] {4,25 %}
--- ilvl 62 Rare: 283 [8,21 per hour] {3,01 %}
--- ilvl 63 Rare: 138 [4 per hour] {1,47 %}
- Legendary: 18 [0,52 per hour] {0,19 %}
--- ilvl 60 Legendary: 4 [0,12 per hour] {0,04 %}
--- ilvl 61 Legendary: 5 [0,15 per hour] {0,05 %}
--- ilvl 62 Legendary: 2 [0,06 per hour] {0,02 %}
--- ilvl 63 Legendary: 7 [0,2 per hour] {0,07 %}
i think you alleviate the danger of being disced and attacked infinitly with a WD. However, as a WD you are going to die pretty fast in multiple arcane versus a barb. A barb might be able to survive if geared insanely in 4 arcanes for awhile but a WD will die instantly. I really don't see any bullet proof build that can surive a DB crash while elites have arcanes. If you crash and the elites throw arcanes on your, death is coming. Considering that DB crashes are rare and they have to be coupled with arcane elite it might take awhile for doomsday to occur but there is always a chance for it to happen. Trust me, i had a couple of bots that lived for 3-5 months, WELL past paragon 100, but doomsday did come. Its not the end of the world if they die, but it is annoying to rebuild them off and on.
I would think a WD would have trouble surviving desecration too.
TINABATES sounds like a legit hc botter 
Other replies (about mp>0 botting with wd\monks especially) sounds like total BS.
Only barb can survive on mp>0. Every other class will just once get 4 rare mobs with some arcane\desecrator or just double elite pack can kill top geared char controlled with bot in a few seconds.
I personally buried a good number of chars on mp1 during my experiments
Other replies (about mp>0 botting with wd\monks especially) sounds like total BS. Only barb can survive on mp>0. Every other class will just once get 4 rare mobs with some arcane\desecrator or just double elite pack can kill top geared char controlled with bot in a few seconds.
I personally buried a good number of chars on mp1 during my experiments
A geared Barb or Monk with a decked out enchantress with Maximus helps alot for the doomsday scenario. While your bot itself isn't attacking, the enchantress + demon will be. Make the enchantress with alot of crowd control and it will increase your chances of living.
Ench will help you only a bit, don't count on it seriously...
ad3ddd, just lost 48 para TR monk, he had 700+ @res, 60k hp, 100k+ dps, LS skorn, near 10 spirit\sec regen, he literally 1-shotted elite with WoL. I tried him on mp1, he killed mobs fast but dropped to 20\60k hp during the short fight with elite. Then I understood that he's not even safe for mp0. It took a while for him to die, but it finally happened
ad3ddd, just lost 48 para TR monk, he had 700+ @res, 60k hp, 100k+ dps, LS skorn, near 10 spirit\sec regen, he literally 1-shotted elite with WoL. I tried him on mp1, he killed mobs fast but dropped to 20\60k hp during the short fight with elite. Then I understood that he's not even safe for mp0. It took a while for him to die, but it finally happened
I've had good success with a schaefers hammer barb. You can stand still beside elites and on mp1 they usually die in 20-30 seconds just from the schaefers hammer proc.
(DC protection) Barb Schaefer Build - Forums - Diablo III
I'd recommend one with lifesteal and 45%+ proc rate.
(DC protection) Barb Schaefer Build - Forums - Diablo III
I'd recommend one with lifesteal and 45%+ proc rate.
I have been aware of the scaefer's hammer. I guess i never gave it that much thought because i typically build barbs that are invincible anyways except for db crash doomsday scenario. A shield isn't just about the block it's also about the shit ton of mitigation, the block is just icing on the cake.
few questions
does arcane proc the hammer?
does desecration proc hammer?
does tree poison proc hammer?(doesnt matter a whole lot, just don't do act 1)
I only watched the first "new" video. I'm a little skeptical because when he equipped the hammer he seemed to luck out and not have any arcane beams thrown on top of him. Another thing is trash mobs aren't an issue ever and definitely do nothing with a shield. However, with a hammer trash mobs might be deceiving because they provide him with extra life leech. It would be interesting to see the hammer against a true doomsday elite pack, which would be arcane couple with a few other deadly affixes. If you are botting HC and you cant survive the pack that was in the video then you are kidding yourself anyways.
Edit: the bulls actually help against arcane because they constantly knock the character off the beam. I would love to see the schaeffer hammer with 3-4 arcane beams on his head. I don't know what the result would be but that is basically the only thing that affects my bots.
Enchantress
In response to the enchantress. The enchantress is just going to help a little bit in the doomsday scenario. Maximus + enchantress will help you survive a few more doomsday scenarios but it will not get you through all of them.
I'm pretty sure i was one of the earlier HC botters, been botting HC close to a year now. I have had probably around 6 deaths and only one of them legit. the screen shot was insane, literally around10 arcanes on the ground, looked like a bug to tell you the truth. But if you take a second and think about a true doomsday scenarios you will quickly realize nothing will keep you alive 100%. Just imagine two elite packs, both with arcanes and other deadly buffs. Then couple that with a db crash, GG you are dead.
Of course I'm completely talking in regards to a BARB. I think the WD HC bot comment was a joke. However, I'm not sure about a monk. You just have to realize your bot runs 20+ hours a day. Again, sit back and imagine the worst possible double elite pack and realize your bot encounters that pack ALL THE TIME during a week of play. Its hard enough to survive it without a crash, but then imagine it with a crash. The sad truth is you will die.
*I will try to test out the schaeffer's hammer.