HB questing style or Ppather questing style

[blancharke]

You are comparing the questing of PPather which was there for months with the questing of HB which has been here for around 2 weeks. Also; PPather did not have any questing. You had to tell it everything to do, it didn't find out about anything itself. This is the point of HB; you don't have to tell it what to do. Later you will probably be able to tell it WHEN to do things, but you will never have to tell it how to do things like you had with PPather. PPather basically wrapped WoW and created a suck-ass scripting language to write tasks in.

I never asked for ppather. I asked for a way of working like how pather handled it. Perhaps you had to say what bot had to do, but atleast he did it in a fashionable way.

 

[Hawker]

EDIT: I UPLOADED A BROEKEN PROFILE - IF YOU ARE STUCK WITH BAGS FULL AT LEVEL 2, REDOWNLOAD

If you try the latest beta, it allows you to use the forcedquestlist to specify the quests you want. We do need to add a way to sort which order it does quests in, but apart from that ppather questing had no real advantages. As Main said, this is new. But for an example of whats possible, here's an Undead 1-20.

I've used ppather to level undead - imo this is faster and better. I'm sure when you start making profiles, you'll find we are providing all the info and tools you need.

 

[blancharke]

I have made a working 1-20 belf profile allready made the day that beta 3 came out, but the limited way the profiles are now stops me from continueing it. It much more frustrating looking at the way it runs than it was with pather The work you put in to it worked like it should have been.
For now I'll just download others, not worth the time at the moment to make one.
I used the dwarfgnome one wich sucked, used first version of mordd and that wasn't to good to. perhaps for 80 percent of the users here think those profiles are good the way they are because they don't know any better


One thing I regret... Poll is useless because 90% are just fanboys with no opinion of them own.... Sheep

 

[Hawker]

Be specific - what's missing?

 

[protopally]

ok guys this is my 2 cents worth i agree with both sides i was a massive glider/ppather fan and had a perfect 1-40 quest profile for all alliance races not quite 1 click because of boats etc but almost.
I have a few suggestions i like how the BETA is going its wicked vgood work BTW all i see wrong atm is as follows we as profile makers should have the option to invoke advanced mode
aka tell it what to pick up when also when to do and hand in but i like the freeform approach to the actual quest finding what it needs.
there is a but however we need to be able to specify where not to do a quest for example jasperlode should not be used for gold dust/candles you can but its well hard the bot should use other mine.
also we should be able to invoke a specific path for mapping safe routes to flightmasters for example so we can include learning fm's into our profiles. other than that HB is a verry impresive start for a BETA.
the only current faults i have with this BETA is that the z cords dont really work at the mo but this is in the process of being fixed and when its pathing to and from places it pulls lots of mobs it shouldnt.
both eminently fixable i do have one idea on that though have a setting kinda like hunter pet options aggressive/normal/passive, aggressive kill everything between you and your target with propper pulls.
normal only kills red mobs that are a bit close and might agro, while passive will only kill mobs it agros on route but be expecting it so it wont run past and get ganked by lots of mobs.
even if it only does the last on as default would be awsome but i like the ability to customize my playstyle , and finally last but by no means least a way to temporaraly protect items for quest until the quest is complete.

ok guys thats my lot im aware its quite alot but fell free to comment / flame at your lesure.

 

[blancharke]

Be specific - what's missing?

I'll tell you how I would do it if it was my choice, best way to explain

Accept quests like pather did (accept quest 1.2.3)
Then say in profiles do quest 2 then 3 then 1 but with the HB style of questcompletion using the ingame questhelper
When those quests are completed hand them in
Repeat for next quests
Now Hb picks them randomly when he is close to one of the objectives but then it fails somethimes not knowing what to do first
Thats why i opt for a todo list in your profile when you make it so it only does what its been told. exceptions are defend vendor mail loot

Clear enough? Otherwhise ill message you on msn ^^

 

[Nomfather]

So advanced programming options like if you were to make a long winded perfect profile?

You could say tell it to.

Pick up [A] quest, then quest.
Go to [A] hotspot, radius of xx yards random.
kill until complete
move to hotspot, complete that quest.
Hand in [A] and .

And for object based quests.
Go to [A] giver and giver, collect quests.
Go to [A] hotspot radius of xxx random.
Useitem xx at hotspot .
or Finditem xx at hotspot .
Complete [A]&,
Head to questgiver xx located at xx, Pickup Quest [C]
hand in [A]&.
Collect [D]&[E]
Go to xx hotspot, complete [C]+[D]+[E] together.
Hand in.

So TLDR;
Give people the ability to make it hard but perfect if they wish by telling it where to head, what item to use and where to use it, in whichever order they specify?
Randomised by the hotspot radiuses?

i think thats what they're getting at?

 

[gehaktbal]

Good thing of ppather was, you could tell it what to do and when to do it.

For example you have quest 1, 2 and 3.

First,
Complete Quest 2, then 3
Then grind a bit to level up for the next quest, quest 1.
Complete quest 1 and turn all in in the order you want.

Also you could tell ppather to go the class trainer, whenever you want, it cuold take flight paths, go to te profession trainer to pick up skinning and a skinning knife, set hearthstones and let it use the HS.

Especially the training and stuff was the thing i liked about pather. I dont care if my character gets 80 by questing or grinding, I DO care about the fact I can let it bot to 80 with 1 click, with skinning and everything. Combined with auto equip you can really do a 1 click to 80. For example you could make a profile that follows a leveling guide perfectly, lets say Joanas guide.

I dont see this happening with HB, atleast not yet.

 

[Anegus]

But it was even more generic then that.

I think people would like some functions that allow for generic interaction.

Move to this coord, talk to this NPC, select option 1, selection option 2

It doesn't matter what those coords are, who the NPC is, or what the chat options are. Glider with ppather allowed you to just hand code every interaction. The problem with that is you *HAD* to program every action. Everyone who used your profile did things identically. I don't think automating things is a bad thing, but having the options to do it manually when you need/want would be beneficial.

Same with flightmasters. Its more of a matter of having functions that would allow you to interact with an NPC and then a function to select what flight point you want to go too. That's really all flightmasters would take. The problem is those functions take time and its not as high of a priority over other things. These things will come eventually.

 

[Nuok]

I think the way the bot can handle completing the quest objectives is brilliant, all that's missing is an order system and allowing us to say where some quest givers are (and allow us to say when it should move to the npc).
Sometimes the area mapped within wow for quests are wrong (normally the z axis) so a hotspot, and maybe faction over-ride might also be needed.

 

[exfelon]

I liked ppather, but I believe the HB system (when it reaches the same level of maturity that ppather had) will be superior. Therefore I prefer HB's system. Mostly because of it's creamy milk chocolate center.

"Make a man a fire and he'll be warm all night. Set a man on fire and he'll be warm the rest of his life".

 

[swolbyn]

I agree that fine control over the quest order is definately needed. Basically to avoid the scenario where you have 3 quests all the same level but one is in an area with some higher lvl creatures mixed in or a named. You'd want it to do the 2 easy ones first then the third one last (or even the 3rd one after some higher lvl easier quests). Basically it boils down to fine tuning it to be most efficient.

 

[starnzl]

what is the purpose of this topic? seriously.. be happy with what you have. close this topic please.

People PAY for this bot..... so they have every right to have a opinion ...

 

[Synik]

Having sat down and thought about it I have come to the conclusion that a single addition to profiles would be perfect for what I want.
The addition would be to simply remove the min/max level for subprofiles and have it do everything in an order listed within the profile.

So a quick mock up would look like this;

<subprofile>
<name>SubProf1</name>
<forcedquests>
list list list list
</forcedquests>
<Afterquests>
reach level 6, when level6 reached start SubProf2 /// Or do nothing and move to SubProf2 instantly!
</Afterquests>
<hotspots>
blah 
blah
</hotspots>
</subprofile>

I missed a lot of little bits of tags out just to outline what I mean.
Basically you do the quests, once quests are complete for that subprofile it gets passed to the afterquests tag and grinds to X level, once level reached it simply moves to SubProf2.
This allows me to add a new subprofile after an initial one without having to meet level requirements for it. The reason I say this is because I do not always wish to grind to a level after each subprofile.

In my eyes this doesn't seem very difficult but I am not a coder so this may not really be viable.

 

[sparks]

I thought you were referring to the ppather where each quest had to be added to the profile and here where each quest is black listed from the profile.
So you have pather telling it what quest to do and HB telling it which quest not to do.

I had pather take a shaman and later a priest from 28 desolace to 50 tannaris with no input from the player. PRETTY amazing and that was 2 years ago.
Right now I don't think HB can do it.

 

[Anegus]

People PAY for this bot..... so they have every right to have a opinion ...

Just because you pay for something doesn't mean you have *ANY* input in the design, creation, or even continuance of a product. You paid for the right to use GB and HB. How GB and HB function is entirely up to the creators. They can make it do anything at all they want and you can't say anything about it. Heck at this point they could discontinue the products entirely and you couldn't do anything about it. Well you can say all you want about it, but they don't have to respond to you. No where does it say that the bot will function the way you want it, for as long as you wish to use it, Amen.

People seem to think that when you give someone else money for a product that they some how buy into the overall ownership of the product. You aren't buying shares in the company, you aren't buying equity in the company, you aren't even buying the bits themselves in a lot of cases. In a lot of cases you are buying a temporary license to use a product as long as the company chooses to honor said license.

 

[Tony]

People PAY for this bot..... so they have every right to have a opinion ...

thats true
you have paid for a product and you got it
ofc you can post your opinion/suggestion

but Hb will never use a Ppather questing style,so this thread/poll is already useless and there is no point to continue this discussion

thread closed