HB questing style or Ppather questing style

[blancharke]

Just curious to see what you guys liked the most.
If you never used ppather for questing then don't answer poll pls.
You are still free to have a say about HB questing.

I for instance love ppather style of questing over the HB one.
You had much more control how and when he did the quests.
I know HB is still in beta but so was pather questing, it was still a work in progress but worked much better. In HB defence, HB is also a work in progress. Pather was pretty much stable without the questing.
I understand that this bot is for the lazy man and such. But give the people who want to contribute by making questing profiles a better way of doing it. The way it works now is rly terrible, was sceptical when i heared how the mechanics would work (blacklisting quests and such + forcedquestlist now) and its even worse than I thought.

This is my opinion perhaps yours will be different. Just respect eachothers thoughts about it.
I hope everything will get there but I doubt using this system is not the right direction.

 

[Anegus]

Relax questing just came out...its hardly even in beta. Give the devs time to refine and develop the system that was just released.

 

[blancharke]

Relax questing just came out...its hardly even in beta. Give the devs time to refine and develop the system that was just released.

This are just the replies that aren't necessary... I realise that it's still on beta. But when is it better to make changes or at least try to have them? When it's near completion or when it just starts?
This post wasn't made to bitch about HB.

 

[ilyals]

What do you mean "PPather style questing"? PPather is a navigation system, questing and such was implemented in bots, so you should point the bot you've liked.
OpenBot was great, questing was great etc., but after ISX went down (private) none of the bots had any questing that can compete.

 

[tMsje]

What do you mean "PPather style questing"? PPather is a navigation system, questing and such was implemented in bots, so you should point the bot you've liked.
OpenBot was great, questing was great etc., but after ISX went down (private) none of the bots had any questing that can compete.

I cant remember that Openbot supported questing, but then again after a ban wave (cant remember the date) i stopped using it and quit wow for about six months.

 

[zar101]

Why the HELL are we having so many POLL's? BE HAPPY WITH YOU HAVE! that should be a poll.

 

[Tony]

Ppather is a slow/old/dead nav system

 

[ZoOoOoM]

This are just the replies that aren't necessary... I realise that it's still on beta. But when is it better to make changes or at least try to have them? When it's near completion or when it just starts?
This post wasn't made to bitch about HB.

He actually got a point.

If you took a look at the questing a couple of weeks ago, you would see how much has changed.
Every new release they fix things and add new features.
Along the way, they will add more profile tags to give more control over how the bot quests.

In it's current state it's just a showcase. They're showing us what they have so far,and it's our job to tell them what we need/think should be added.
If you got any Suggestions , feel free to post them in the latest questing build topic

 

[DX123]

The only bot messing with PPather right now is Omega and seeing as the programmer in-charge can't be bothered to even update "minor" bugs for that bot... its kind of a moot point.

I think once HB has questing bug free it will be ridiculous. AIO does questing but I really don't like using waypoints to do anything anymore.

So to answer your question.. HB all the way.

 

[blancharke]

What do you mean "PPather style questing"? PPather is a navigation system, questing and such was implemented in bots, so you should point the bot you've liked.
OpenBot was great, questing was great etc., but after ISX went down (private) none of the bots had any questing that can compete.

Ppather was just more than just navigation. It was started in december 2007 by pontius. The original creator of pogue. Then he stopped coding on pather after a while because he didn't have the time for it. He past his work to a group of devs who made it much more than just a navsystem.
The way it worked?
3 options for quest: pickup, complete, handin
Benefits? You could accept only ones you wanted, when you wanted, do them in order like you wanted and hand in like you wanted.
Profiles where much much better to make and quality of them to use also.

Ppather is a slow/old/dead nav system

You know they were first opting to get pather right? They were negotiating to use it with the fixed navigation. The devs who had a fix for it asked 30k$ ...
So if they would have paid, then ppather wouldnt be as dead as you say...

Anyway I'm not bitching about nav or something (I could but thats not my biggest concern) btw the navigation system HB uses is open source http://www.game-developers.org/node/155

 

[blancharke]

The only bot messing with PPather right now is Omega and seeing as the programmer in-charge can't be bothered to even update "minor" bugs for that bot... its kind of a moot point.

I think once HB has questing bug free it will be ridiculous. AIO does questing but I really don't like using waypoints to do anything anymore.

So to answer your question.. HB all the way.

1. Wasn't talking about AIO
2. Used AIO and waypoints doesn't bother me. It gets the job done. So atm AIO is better in questing
3. Have you ever had one version of HB that didn't have bugs? Some have minor bugs ok It's not an easy job to create a bot. And yes HB is the best bot at the moment, respect for devs. But questing will be bugged for a long time. As long as the core of the bot is bugged, everything extra will be affected by it to.

 

[tozededao]

3. Have you ever had one version of HB that didn't have bugs? Some have minor bugs ok It's not an easy job to create a bot. And yes HB is the best bot at the moment, respect for devs. But questing will be bugged for a long time. As long as the core of the bot is bugged, everything extra will be affected by it to.

They decided to release it while in beta in order to receive some feedback but 50% of that feedback is just, "IT DOESN'T WORK".

If they keep it in private people wouldnt complain when it came out, because it would be a final version, but it would take more 2 months just for testing and cover all.

About AIO, ive never used it but seems that it does premade quests always following same paths etc.

I rather have something with much more potential(honorbuddy).

“Give a man a fish; you have fed him for today. Teach a man to fish; and you have fed him for a lifetime”

 

[blancharke]

They decided to release it while in beta in order to receive some feedback but 50% of that feedback is just, "IT DOESN'T WORK".

If they keep it in private people wouldnt complain when it came out, because it would be a final version, but it would take more 2 months just for testing and cover all.

About AIO, ive never used it but seems that it does premade quests always following same paths etc.

I rather have something with much more potential(honorbuddy).

“Give a man a fish; you have fed him for today. Teach a man to fish; and you have fed him for a lifetime”

no shit But I never post here, rather give it in private through msn
About AIO, no discussion possible, the questing part is better.
But if you would have the option of ppather style questing (accept,complete, handin) and all the powerfull plugins and CC's from HB and voila, you have the ultimate questbot.

 

[FortuneCooky]

what is the purpose of this topic? seriously.. be happy with what you have. close this topic please.

 

[Synik]

what is the purpose of this topic? seriously.. be happy with what you have. close this topic please.

It is exactly posts like that which should be purged on mass because they are irrelevant and hold no relation to the actual content of the posts prior to it.

Now I voted earlier and was going to leave it at that because I have already indicated my suggestions and opinions in another thread but now I feel it necessary to add my thoughts on the situation.

Too many people are assuming that someone can not offer their suggestions, opinions or criticisms of the BETA's simply because they are BETA's. However, as already indicated by Moderators and Developers in many different threads, this is the perfect time to put forward all of the comments and criticisms so that they can be addressed and answered accordingly.
I also feel many people here simply did not experience what ppather had to offer and as such automatically jump on the defensive band wagon.

Anyway, on subject, I feel ppather was the most superior method of questing there has ever been and quite possibly ever will be because it did exactly as you wanted it to do.
As previously mentioned in another thread i suggested some sort of compromise which caters for both the people who just want to click go and for the people, like me, who want to sit down and create the best profiles physically possible.

 

[blancharke]

what is the purpose of this topic? seriously.. be happy with what you have. close this topic please.

The purpose is to have a decent way of making profiles for the actual profilemakers so you and all the rest of the leechers could download profiles that don't need babysitting.
The way it handles it quests now is not good at all.
How it should work like devteam intend it to work: Go to area and accept all quests, do them and hand in.
How it actually works: It does all the things like they say but randomly.

How ppather worked: Accept quests you have in your profile, do them like you have them ordered in your profile, hand in your quests
Example:
Accept quest 1, 2 , 3
Do quest 1 and 3
Hand in 1 and 3
do quest 2
hand in 2
This way you dont need to blacklist quests at all, you don't need empty your questlog with quests you can't do
You can do them in the best order possible and hb will try to do quest untill finished, not like now that he gets in a loop because he doesn't know what to do first.

 

[blancharke]

It is exactly posts like that which should be purged on mass because they are irrelevant and hold no relation to the actual content of the posts prior to it.

Now I voted earlier and was going to leave it at that because I have already indicated my suggestions and opinions in another thread but now I feel it necessary to add my thoughts on the situation.

Too many people are assuming that someone can not offer their suggestions, opinions or criticisms of the BETA's simply because they are BETA's. However, as already indicated by Moderators and Developers in many different threads, this is the perfect time to put forward all of the comments and criticisms so that they can be addressed and answered accordingly.
I also feel many people here simply did not experience what ppather had to offer and as such automatically jump on the defensive band wagon.

Anyway, on subject, I feel ppather was the most superior method of questing there has ever been and quite possibly ever will be because it did exactly as you wanted it to do.
As previously mentioned in another thread i suggested some sort of compromise which caters for both the people who just want to click go and for the people, like me, who want to sit down and create the best profiles physically possible.

Thank you first person who gets the point. A lot of people who make profiles asked for a patherlike way of questing, more work for the profilemakers, but a better freedom to make the profiles so they are actually good for a change.
Now there are to many profiles people put efford in that aren't good. Not the fault of profilemakers tbh.
CC devs have good support because they are necessary for a good complex bot. But profilemakers should get some of the pie to because they are also a big part of the community.

 

[MaiN]

You are comparing the questing of PPather which was there for months with the questing of HB which has been here for around 2 weeks. Also; PPather did not have any questing. You had to tell it everything to do, it didn't find out about anything itself. This is the point of HB; you don't have to tell it what to do. Later you will probably be able to tell it WHEN to do things, but you will never have to tell it how to do things like you had with PPather. PPather basically wrapped WoW and created a suck-ass scripting language to write tasks in.

 

[Mario27]

I Like The HB NavMesh more then ppather

 

[Synik]

You are comparing the questing of PPather which was there for months with the questing of HB which has been here for around 2 weeks. Also; PPather did not have any questing. You had to tell it everything to do, it didn't find out about anything itself. This is the point of HB; you don't have to tell it what to do. Later you will probably be able to tell it WHEN to do things, but you will never have to tell it how to do things like you had with PPather. PPather basically wrapped WoW and created a suck-ass scripting language to write tasks in.

This is better, an official response we can go on.

First off people, like me, compare ppather and HB2 Questing simply because these two are the only things we have to properly compare. Some compare against AIOBot but I will never do that!

The reason people are questioning the direction of questing is because information is scarce from the Developers. Yes we know questing is being worked, yes we know you guys are trying to make it the best it can be but what exactly are future intentions?

We are aware that HB2 will take great weights off of our shoulders in regards to not having to tell it what exactly to do.
We are also well aware that HB2 Questing will not be as rough as the ppather task files used to be.

I also will be the first to admit that the possibility of controlling when something happens is a good sign and a relief somewhat.