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Growing trend - Selling a product and disguising it as donations

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You win, Im done, I can garantee you things will keep on proceeding as they are. This has become and argument over a definition. Because googling was entered into dictionaries. Originally it was considered to be searching but with time, the definition evolved, it is the same as this.
 
Darkskyz3 said:
What do you want the Team to do? Take down these Custom Classes that require donations? Or make them public? Make the devoloppers loose insentive then eventually cause them to break? Make me revert back to the plain old singular? NO THANK YOU. I like my areana rating the way it is. First thing my mom and dad taught me when I would fight with my little sister was, "Ignore it Cody" If you dont like something and you are grown up, you ignore, you dont qq about it on forums throw a tantrum and make every suffer. Grow up guys. Its a few dollars, Stop being cheap, These people need motivation to fuel there ambitions. What makes you go to work every day? Money. Would you go to work if you were'nt making money? No. If you are not putting in work, dont complain that the people who are showing up to work are getting a few dollars. You are all sounding like left wingers right now with your entitlements. (Im canadian and a conservative voter :p)
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Again alot of people are not reading and assume we are all QQing because we want everything free. This is NOT the case.
 
Selling, donating, either way you look at it, no one is making anyone press a button to buy it. If the person want's to say "if you donate you get this version" then why not? It's a token of their hard work.
 
Comparing the developers and the users from different botting communities (different game) to this community, I got to say the attitude of both the developers and users are 10x worse here.

Users: Be grateful
Developers: Stop acting all high and mighty.
 
Lots of corps and non profs do this.. You are reinbusing the creater for his time invested in making the profile... You don't want it don't donate.. Or better yet make profiles and put them on here for free if you see no value in the profiles..
 
Spankz Phelon, Well put, Well Said and should be an Eye Opener for yall. Game Set Match, to you bandwagon folk, the balls on your side of the court.
 
The decision to have paid improved versions have been discussed in the past and is being discussed again. But it will be like it currently is where it is now but with some modifications. Also there is talk of moderated DLL support for plugins/routines. Nothing is concrete yet but it is being discussed. I personally do not agree with fully paid Routines, but routines that have perks that you pay for or slightly better things. I am totally fine with that personally. There are thousands of things to consider with a system for paid stuff and dll support but hopefully we can have more information at some point.

The stipulation right now is that you have to have a fully working free version that is open source that does most things. Then a paid version can have the working GUI(Or a greatly improved one) or a few other features. But the free version has to be fully working if the paid one is and it has to be supported.
 
Natfoth said:
The decision to have paid improved versions have been discussed in the past and is being discussed again. But it will be like it currently is where it is now but with some modifications. Also there is talk of moderated DLL support for plugins/routines. Nothing is concrete yet but it is being discussed. I personally do not agree with fully paid Routines, but routines that have perks that you pay for or slightly better things. I am totally fine with that personally. There are thousands of things to consider with a system for paid stuff and dll support but hopefully we can have more information at some point.

The stipulation right now is that you have to have a fully working free version that is open source that does most things. Then a paid version can have the working GUI(Or a greatly improved one) or a few other features. But the free version has to be fully working if the paid one is and it has to be supported.
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Right, thank you for posting. I hope this clears up what we are trying to say in this thread.
 
I will just leave this here.

do?na?tion [doh-ney-shuh n] Show IPA
noun
1.an act or instance of presenting something as a gift, grant, or contribution.
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pay [pey]; pay?ing; noun, adjective.
verb (used with object)
1.to settle (a debt, obligation, etc.), as by transferring money or goods, or by doing something: Please pay your bill.
2.to give over (a certain amount of money) in exchange for something: He paid twenty dollars for the shirt.
3.to transfer money as compensation or recompense for work done or services rendered; to satisfy the claims of (a person, organization, etc.), as by giving money due: He paid me for my work.
4.to defray (cost or expense).
5.to give compensation for.
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pay?ment [pey-muh nt] Show IPA
noun
1.something that is paid; an amount paid; compensation; recompense.
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Computing Dictionary
demo version definition

1. An early, barely-functional version of a program which can be used for demonstration purposes as long as the operator uses *exactly* the right commands and skirts its numerous bugs, deficiencies, and unimplemented portions.
2. A special version of a finished program (frequently with some features crippled) which is distributed at little or no cost to the user for enticement purposes. See crippleware.
(1994-11-04)
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Basically, what we are seeing here are "Demo versions" released for the sole purpose of marketing the complete product, which is available in exchange for money, under the form of a donation with a required minimum amount, so that the rules of this forum can be "skipped", or "bypassed".

Maybe the community will benefit from some commercial releases, as there is definitely a need for a marketplace where people will be making a living through releasing quality addons and profiles and CR's and whatnot for this bot, but it should be regulated, not left to hang in the gray zone.

This much is clear so far - developing for HB is hard, there is a lot of stuff this community needs, and it will benefit everyone if all of this is finally taken out of the grey zone. People obviously don't mind paying for better stuff, as long as the price is reasonable, and the final product meets their expectations and delivers what has been promised or required.

Just allow this and put it in a separate forum, like a Marketplace, so commercial releases won't mix up with freeware and everything will snap into place and we will all live to see better Combat Routines, better Plugins, better Botbases, and better Questing Profiles and developers won't simply abandon their projects when they get bored of them, leaving everyone who counted on them out in the open with no where to go.

The time has come.
 
So much QQ in this thread from people who want the extra features version for free. Even threats to post the special edition for free. I have paid for Tuanha's routines after using the free ones, and seeing how friggen awesome they are (the free versions). So I wanted to donate because I'm not a stingy tightarse, and felt that good code/work should be rewarded. The special edition is just a bonus for putting my money where my mouth is and thanking people with cash for their hard work.

The only problem Honorbuddy has is becoming too popular and attracting all of these brainless noobs, it will unfortunately be it's ultimate downfall.
 
If you disagree with a paid version, learn C# and program an alternative yourself :).

Ps; My projects are 100% free of charge, and even come with an advanced GUI.
 
nomnomnom said:
If you disagree with a paid version, learn C# and program an alternative yourself :).

Ps; My projects are 100% free of charge, and even come with an advanced GUI.
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you managed to agree with paid versions and promote your CC, I LOVE YOU!!! (No homo)
 
Arrhhhhh said:
So much QQ in this thread from people who want the extra features version for free. Even threats to post the special edition for free. I have paid for Tuanha's routines after using the free ones, and seeing how friggen awesome they are (the free versions). So I wanted to donate because I'm not a stingy tightarse, and felt that good code/work should be rewarded. The special edition is just a bonus for putting my money where my mouth is and thanking people with cash for their hard work.

The only problem Honorbuddy has is becoming too popular and attracting all of these brainless noobs, it will unfortunately be it's ultimate downfall.
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Another guy that doesn't understand what the thread is about. lol
 
randomstraw said:
there also is a rule saying CCs/Plugins etc have to be open source. (not a a rule, a post by a mod/admin i guess, but some may consider this a "rule")there are advanced versions, offered (or atleast linked) on the forums, with a closed source (dll)but it seems allowed, as noone moans about it. and no rules are enforced. too bad.
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You may have misunderstood this. If the cc/plugin etc is on this forum, then it has to be open source. If it is not on this forum, it is does not have to be open source, and if you used the code it would essentially be stealing the code.
Phelon said:
Let me break it down for you:

No one is forcing you to buy it.
No one is forcing you to use a watered down version.
No one is forcing you to use anything other than what HB gives you at purchase time.

Before you start complaining, crying, whining, bitching, moaning, menstruating about "free version" vs "paid version" go use HB as it is right out of the box. There is a REASON YOU ARE LOOKING OTHER PLACES FOR THINGS. It is because as nice as HB is as a base.. it really is not that good at anything else. There is a reason there is a modding community. If HB didn't need all the stuff that is developed then there would be no reason for the people to write CCs/Plugins/Etc. So before you start trying to alienate what is left of a dying community of developers, you better think about the consequences. If HB loses what is left of its part time devs.. what do you think is going to happen? Think back to the last time they pissed off the devs and how little got done for MONTHS and still have some void in there. Thinking the devs are going to get replaced in a dying game is most likely not going to happen either, so I wouldn't bet on that one.

...So before you get on the "lets get all the shit for free" bandwagon, just remember what you are doing to your community. Once all the free devs are gone, you and this bot are fucked.
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Just add:
Noone is forcing you to spend your time or energy developing for this community. Don't have anything else to learn? Don't have fun doing this anymore? Tired of not being appreciated? Don't have time? Then go outside and do what ever else will allow you to continue learning, having fun, feel appreciated, and be released from any obligation you feel you have to a cyber community.

You want me to think of the consequences of my opinion on these matters. Well, I've never been one to suck up to get what I want, so I don't really have anything to offer the devs except my gratitude and sometimes donations. Then it becomes clear that for many developers, the "consumers", the community, are looked down upon like a flea on a horse's ass. Well at that point I just need to make it clear if you decide to leave, that I'll miss you just about as much as you'll miss me.
 
Paddy said:
You may have misunderstood this. If the cc/plugin etc is on this forum, then it has to be open source. If it is not on this forum, it is does not have to be open source, and if you used the code it would essentially be stealing the code.

Just add:
Noone is forcing you to spend your time or energy developing for this community. Don't have anything else to learn? Don't have fun doing this anymore? Tired of not being appreciated? Don't have time? Then go outside and do what ever else will allow you to continue learning, having fun, feel appreciated, and be released from any obligation you feel you have to a cyber community.

You want me to think of the consequences of my opinion on these matters. Well, I've never been one to suck up to get what I want, so I don't really have anything to offer the devs except my gratitude and sometimes donations. Then it becomes clear that for many developers, the "consumers", the community, are looked down upon like a flea on a horse's ass. Well at that point I just need to make it clear if you decide to leave, that I'll miss you just about as much as you'll miss me.
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so i can post links to closed source malicious addons on the forums advertising them?

fine, thanks!

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noone said we would not pay (atleast, i do, but its no donation, its payment) - but the forum clearly stated (posts by mods) selling stuff is forbidden. atleast i read that somewhere.
 
Arrhhhhh said:
The only problem Honorbuddy has is becoming too popular and attracting all of these brainless noobs, it will unfortunately be it's ultimate downfall.
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^^This.

Here's another potentially unpopular opinion. The downside of making it too easy to use is people who never should be using it mucking up the pool. That's why I'm against a one stop turnkey package and oversimplified point and click profile makers. If you use/want one to save you time, fine, but if you want it because you can't be bothered to figure out the underlying basic xml on your own you're a danger to the rest of us.

But that's off topic...
 
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Again people are assuming this thread is about wanting free things. Again that is not what this is about.
 
Natfoth said:
The stipulation right now is that you have to have a fully working free version that is open source that does most things. Then a paid version can have the working GUI(Or a greatly improved one) or a few other features. But the free version has to be fully working if the paid one is and it has to be supported.
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How perfectly and simply worded. And from Natfoth so that makes it official, yes? Now can we get it enforced?

Anyone else notice he called it a PAID version and not a donation? If everyone would just agree to use the same terminology less people would be getting their panties in a twist. And if everyone asking for the payment followed the "fully working version" rule there'd be even less drama.

The system we have isn't actually broken if people will just change the word donation to paid and do exactly as Natfoth said and no one is allowed to get away with not doing so.
 
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