Get rid of BGbuddy?

[DaSoul]

At least the buddyteam should flag it within honorbuddy, that using it is a high risk of getting banned and don't tell me now "bla bla botting is always a risk" so is shooting a gun but i assume it highly depends whether you aim at your face or at someone else.

 

[Maddhatter]

This is a very controversial topic that comes up on a regular basis. I don't think anyone can make a rational argument that PvP botting is not the primary reason people complain so much about bots. When people complain a lot and Blizz loses subscribers/revenue they are more inclined to act.

I think that people who bot in PvP are the scum of the earth. They are on the same level of people who use aim bots and wall hacks in FPS games. I can't say that I'm much better than them though because I bot as well. I only use the bot for menial tasks like leveling fishing, garrison tasks, and performing reputation daily grinds, but my botting still negatively impacts the state of the game. If I did not bot then I would be buying more stuff on the AH and selling less. I artificially inflate the economy.

If Bossland disables their bot in PvP then people will go elsewhere. There is a market for PvP bots and Bossland is meeting that need. Disabling it will only take money out of their pocket and give it to someone else.

My point is this, we are all botters so get off your holier than thou pedestal. Disabling the bot in PvP will resolve nothing. Honorbuddy is the most well known bot, so it doesn't matter what kickbot they are using in PvP honorbuddy will get the blame.

 

[speshulk926]

This is a very controversial topic that comes up on a regular basis. I don't think anyone can make a rational argument that PvP botting is not the primary reason people complain so much about bots. When people complain a lot and Blizz loses subscribers/revenue they are more inclined to act.

I think that people who bot in PvP are the scum of the earth. They are on the same level of people who use aim bots and wall hacks in FPS games. I can't say that I'm much better than them though because I bot as well. I only use the bot for menial tasks like leveling fishing, garrison tasks, and performing reputation daily grinds, but my botting still negatively impacts the state of the game. If I did not bot then I would be buying more stuff on the AH and selling less. I artificially inflate the economy.

If Bossland disables their bot in PvP then people will go elsewhere. There is a market for PvP bots and Bossland is meeting that need. Disabling it will only take money out of their pocket and give it to someone else.

My point is this, we are all botters so get off your holier than thou pedestal. Disabling the bot in PvP will resolve nothing. Honorbuddy is the most well known bot, so it doesn't matter what kickbot they are using in PvP honorbuddy will get the blame.

I think he was saying take it offline.... until it gets improved. That's what I took from it.

 

[DOC_JJ]

This is a very controversial topic that comes up on a regular basis. I don't think anyone can make a rational argument that PvP botting is not the primary reason people complain so much about bots. When people complain a lot and Blizz loses subscribers/revenue they are more inclined to act.

I think that people who bot in PvP are the scum of the earth. They are on the same level of people who use aim bots and wall hacks in FPS games. I can't say that I'm much better than them though because I bot as well. I only use the bot for menial tasks like leveling fishing, garrison tasks, and performing reputation daily grinds, but my botting still negatively impacts the state of the game. If I did not bot then I would be buying more stuff on the AH and selling less. I artificially inflate the economy.

If Bossland disables their bot in PvP then people will go elsewhere. There is a market for PvP bots and Bossland is meeting that need. Disabling it will only take money out of their pocket and give it to someone else.

My point is this, we are all botters so get off your holier than thou pedestal. Disabling the bot in PvP will resolve nothing. Honorbuddy is the most well known bot, so it doesn't matter what kickbot they are using in PvP honorbuddy will get the blame.

BGbuddy enables afk botting in PvP based on scripted pathing profiles. It's the reason why so many people call out botters - the bots run the same route to the same nodes/objectives and do the same thing over and over repeatedly until the PvP instance ends.

I am in no way saying we should stop botting in BGs/Arenas. All I'm saying is the afk aspect of PvP botting should be curtailed. Just ask people to use Enyo with manual movement and let a CR do the heavy lifting for combat if that's what they want.

 

[HBfanboy1980]

Honestly, my opinions since the obvious Blizzard detection has changed on this. I am STRONGLY opposed to anything that draws the ire of the masses since we literally have no expectation of safety anymore.

Yes, bot on accounts you want/can [to] lose etc etc. but people aren't botting BGs as a livlihood they are doing it out of a desire to get gear and pvp (hopefully) and not pure laziness.

Remove the ability of routines to interrupt players in instances, and remove afk pvp botting and I would be happier.

 

[tomcruise]

BGbuddy enables afk botting in PvP based on scripted pathing profiles. It's the reason why so many people call out botters - the bots run the same route to the same nodes/objectives and do the same thing over and over repeatedly until the PvP instance ends.

I am in no way saying we should stop botting in BGs/Arenas. All I'm saying is the afk aspect of PvP botting should be curtailed. Just ask people to use Enyo with manual movement and let a CR do the heavy lifting for combat if that's what they want.

i have been saying this for a long time. no other form of botting completely destroys an aspect of the game like BG bots destroys random bgs for the average player

 

[nucleotides]

There has always and will always be a reason to stop botting. I am sure we can all come up with them. The real question is, how can we limit our impact so we can reduce our risk of being caught? Or at the very least make it so Blizzard doesn't seem it to be worth focusing just HB.

Well not allowing arenas, and reducing the ability to auto kick with a 0ms delay are a possibility they aren't the only one. It has always and will always come down to how people use the bot. Some are very obvious, some are so hard to tell they could just be really good at this game.

To answer the real question, we would have to not allow people to afk bot and grind things while removing all people from HB that use it only as a source of income. Short of a culture change in botting nothing will change, if it's not BGs it'll be something else.

Edit: BGBuddy has been trash for a long time, using it is asking to be banned and it has been for a while. I have the Millz bot that I tried out and still suffered from optimization and often I would use it's built in function to take over a fight to play it out better. I know I'm weird watching my bot but I have fun in trying to improve performance then I do playing the game most days.

 

[bul]

Essay of words go here to follow the trend. But really, although Bgbuddy is an amazing "bot", a profile is still a profile. When you BG Bot atleast 80% of the time it is completely obvious that you are a bot, people will report you, blizzard will investigate, most likely not banning you until they do a wave.

 

[krazid]

Ok all you guys saying that BGBuddy isn't that bad when it comes to bans... you arte simply wrong. Ive been in this community for years, I have several HB keys and several accounts. Especially now that WoW only costs 17.99$! However in ALLLLLL my years of raking in millions and millions of gold, over stocking the Ah with absurdly amounts of items....I Have NEVER ONCE been banned using HB for PvE purposes wether AFK or manual with Enyo. Every single account I have EVER used with BG bot and as it was put in an earlier thread, with "Leet programmer CR's" they have been perms banned. Alllll of these accounts I was not AFK and monitored them 100%. NOTHING looked out of the ordinary either, I wasn't topping any charts, I was even talking in chat as far as strategy was concerned. You would have NEVER thought I was batting, however within a few BG's BAM perma banned. I have lost 5 accounts due to BGbot and I honestly think at this point that Blizzard has a detection method for that particular Bot specifically.....I think this beck a use Blizz takes PRIDE in the PvP factor of this game....I mean you don't see them holding World Championships for PvE shit do you? No.... so they MUST regulate PvP differently and they MUST have implemented way more advanced detection methods other than relying on a few people to report suspicious players.

 

[novicane]

I agree - been botting for several years now. The pvp support portion needs to stop.

add an if statement in front of enyo and bgbuddy:

If (arena = true, or , battle ground = true ){
//unload
}

 

[tomcruise]

I agree - been botting for several years now. The pvp support portion needs to stop.

add an if statement in front of enyo and bgbuddy:

If (arena = true, or , battle ground = true ){
//unload
}

this is agreat idea i cant believe it hasnt been tried before!

 

[emerysong]

@tomcruise

just had to say I love your name. I named my crusader in diablo 3 TomCrusader. lol

^^^ worthless post just scroll past me

 

[mekrenon]

I agree that exposure in battlegrounds leads to a higher ban rate but lets not fool ourselves thinking Blizzard champions their PvP. They can't be assed to hold more than one tournament per year and otherwise it's left to random Blizzard employees to support the few attempts by their community to prop up the scene. The entire reason BGBuddy and the like is problematic is because there are 19 or more other people playing side-by-side with your bot and ten years into WoW a much higher percentage of the population knows a bot when they see one. The movements alone are completely freakin' obvious whether you're "monitoring" it or not. Grind honor yourself if you care about your account. It has never been easier.

 

[Sevrep]

I just use a CR and move around manually.

 

[Craptuna0813]

Just go read and test the theroy like i have in the past i had 5 accounts bg botted on 3 the other two i only did pve crap and only lost the bgbotters. I am telling you they are focusing on bgbotters due to how easy it is to gather honor and conq which makes it really hard for actual players to play the bgs due to all the bots. If you like bg's so much just use a cr and run it by hand stop being lazy and running the afk bot and yes while most say afk running into walls and what not get you caught yes it might but the topic here is how bad bgbot is and how it should be disabled untill random pathing is brought to it and not the same paths over and over.

 

[Frayman]

I quit using BG buddy after watching the train behind me lol, its really asking for trouble and agree its one of the most glaring lures for bot haters to focus on and one of the reasons people stay away from random BG's nowadays.

If HB became less obvious it would definately make our accounts last longer because lets face it Blizzard does NOT want us to go away!, its a good cash flow.

I support removing the BG Buddy bot alltogether

 

[NavyAV89]

I say let the stupid people who want to AFK in BGs continue to do so. It will make no difference in how Blizzard manages bots.

The fact is that it appears the majority of those getting banned are AFK in BGs......

This is darwinism at it's best.

There is no benefit to getting rid of BG Buddy.