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content to search waives 4th amendment rights.

and if they lose and have to pay a fine, or restitution. they laugh 'we grossed 105 million last month not counting blizzstore sales, here have a bit'
 
Zardoz1 said:
Blizz can search the ram dedicated to WoW but they are not allowed to search the rest of your pc. They will receive a 500 Mill Euro Banhammer if they do it. You cant give away your right for privacy in EU. That part of the contract simply is invalid. The risk is way to high for them.
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And who would know?...If they did search outside it...
 
Any good hacker/nerd could do this. And the CCC will find evidence for sure, if they did it. I really dont think they would break privacy rules.
 
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besides the fact that we consent to be searched, blizzard doesnt have to admit to searching as long as they dont use the search as their evidence for bans.
 
lots an lots of Rambling here WE all as a Team no matter who used HB or another product that bossland owns got screwed over this Round will get thru it Blizz just got pissed an now will relize was a huge mistake lol go outside enjoy your summer.
 
go outside enjoy your summer.
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ughh, dont even remind me. i live in the south and i am not looking forward to 105 degree days. but i do have some grass to mow today.
 
I think the point is that they are not providing any evidence at all, They are telling us they have the evidence but refuse too show it, This for one id assume is in conflict of the EU Data protection act, not 100% on this but i beleive in the EU you have the right to request a reveiw or copy of the information blizzard takes from you, im not saying that they have scanned out of there allocated RAM ect, But the fact they wont produce the evidence opens them up too Data protection laws in the EU i would assume, since there is "Probable cause" too suspect foul play because of the with holding of the information.

Then there is the fact that the EU itself and every member of the EU has its own laws, Like the Uk for example and then inside the Uk the different members of the Uk have there own laws, I like too think in that mess of laws and legislation there is something too protect people.

Too all you people saying "You cheated and got caught get over it lololol" Its very Easy too just belittle this situation becuase its "Just" a game, Just shrug your shoulders at it and let it pass, But by doing that you are setting president, "This guys cheated at a game and got caught lololol i fucking hate bots so im going too let this large company get away with possibly breaking the law and some civil/human rights" Thats incredibly simple minded and people like you are the reason so many other are passive and lay down and accept the fate these large companys lay out for us, Ignoring these little infringements is how it starts, its how it already started, You are a coward, and scum.

I myself will be going into my bank this week and having a chat about the situation, I pay one month at a time, i accept that i have had full access to the service for the months i paid, What i dont accept is Blizzard, A fucking game developer, Can just Freeze hundreds/thousands £'s of what is basicly financial assets, The services paid for with real money and now we dont have access too, Paid char boosts, Mounts and pets from the "Store" Gold purchased with real money in the form of wow tokens, the second Blizzard put £$ on mounts,pets,characters and Gold, Afaik those things stopped being apart of the account that they "own" and became Personal, Financial assets, i cant see any lawful way they can freeze these assets.
 
They'll jusy bury you in files upon files, their legal fee's are nothing compared to what they'll make..
But if you have to pay a decent lawyer 500 bucks an hour, then you're gonna run out of money before you'll get a chance to goto court ;)


it's their game, their rules.
 
Goldflake said:
They'll jusy bury you in files upon files, their legal fee's are nothing compared to what they'll make..
But if you have to pay a decent lawyer 500 bucks an hour, then you're gonna run out of money before you'll get a chance to goto court ;)


it's their game, their rules.
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It might be their game and their rules, but their game and their rules exist in our world, Our world witch is governed by laws, Privacy laws, Consumer laws, Digital Goods (un tangible) are governed by the same laws as Tangible Goods, Even Blizzard describe Character Xfers, Mounts, Pets, Wow tokens, Race changes ect as "Digital goods", This in very basic terms mean, You own that product, That product has a very real Value in currency, 6 month suspension is as good as them Freezing Assets, And a perma ban, they are ceasing assets, There is no way its fully legal.

A quick a dirty example under Uk law would for example be, You going into a local high street electrical retailer, There is a sign saying you cant eat or drink in the store, So you dont, You buy a TV, some time later, you go back into the store eating or drinking, They ban you from the store.....then come too your home and take the TV back that you paid for"
 
frosticus said:
besides the fact that we consent to be searched, blizzard doesnt have to admit to searching as long as they dont use the search as their evidence for bans.
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Legally they have to if you ask them in accordance with privacy rights in the EU.
 
frosticus said:
yeh, i guess i should have stated this was a US law discussion. you cant win when you take a company as big as blizzard to court. even if you win, you are still drained of resouces.
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Yeah that is why you would make your complaint to a government department like the FTC who love going after companies that they can make big fines against.
 
All those situations deal with agreements within their companies scope.

VS scanning Memory and CPU outside the range of the game would still be illegal.


Just like if you invite an officer into your home doesn't mean they can start searching in closed boxes etc. It is based on what ever is in plain view.

Or if you sign an agreement for a rental property that states they can randomly search your home. Doesn't mean they can search your car inside the garage or start opening boxes.
 
Well keep in mind their EULA is a "Shrink-Wrap" or "Adhesion" contract. Which means that you buy the product then they give you the terms, which leaves us at a distinct disadvantage of "Agree or you are SOL". Depending on the court any portion of that EULA Contract can be deemed non-enforceable if it is not reasonable. I'd say consenting to Invasion of Privacy would be not reasonable, though it depends on the interpretation of the court. Their EULA is not supposed to be able to shield them from Illegal Activity.

In the end I could care less, none of this will unban any of us and any legal action would take soooo much longer than 6 months. It's just a video game, we may care a lot about it but the rest of the world could care less. Blizzard technically leases us rights to access their game, so we have no ownership of anything in their world, means they could ban 95% of their legitimate player base and only ever get bad publicity and loss of income for it.
 
OhaiDur said:
It might be their game and their rules, but their game and their rules exist in our world, Our world witch is governed by laws, Privacy laws, Consumer laws, Digital Goods (un tangible) are governed by the same laws as Tangible Goods, Even Blizzard describe Character Xfers, Mounts, Pets, Wow tokens, Race changes ect as "Digital goods", This in very basic terms mean, You own that product, That product has a very real Value in currency, 6 month suspension is as good as them Freezing Assets, And a perma ban, they are ceasing assets, There is no way its fully legal.

A quick a dirty example under Uk law would for example be, You going into a local high street electrical retailer, There is a sign saying you cant eat or drink in the store, So you dont, You buy a TV, some time later, you go back into the store eating or drinking, They ban you from the store.....then come too your home and take the TV back that you paid for"
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this tells me you have never read the eula, tos, or the tou. everyone knows blizzard retains the ownership rights of anything and everything game related. and how could they possible freeze their own assets for you breaking the rules, which you agreed to.
 
Goshinki said:
All those situations deal with agreements within their companies scope.

VS scanning Memory and CPU outside the range of the game would still be illegal.


Just like if you invite an officer into your home doesn't mean they can start searching in closed boxes etc. It is based on what ever is in plain view.

Or if you sign an agreement for a rental property that states they can randomly search your home. Doesn't mean they can search your car inside the garage or start opening boxes.
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but when you give consent to search, you waive those rights. most people do this freely because they have nothing to hide. blizz players do this because they heard something from a bro, that heard it from a dude, that knew a blizz employee and now they come here qtf like its nothing.

if an officer stops you. he has no right to search your car unless he suspects a crime. then right before you leave, he asks you 'would you mind if i looked inside your car?'

you have the right to say yes or no. if you say yes, you can search, you waive your rights to protection from illegal search and seizure. basically giving him a verbal search warrant.
 
frosticus said:
he has no right to search your car unless he suspects a crime. then right before you leave, he asks you 'would you mind if i looked inside your car?'

you have the right to say yes or no. if you say yes, you can search, you waive your rights to protection from illegal search and seizure. basically giving him a verbal search warrant.
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but if you say "no" dosen´t make this you suspicious -> he will also search ? :P
 
frosticus said:
but when you give consent to search, you waive those rights. most people do this freely because they have nothing to hide. blizz players do this because they heard something from a bro, that heard it from a dude, that knew a blizz employee and now they come here qtf like its nothing.

if an officer stops you. he has no right to search your car unless he suspects a crime. then right before you leave, he asks you 'would you mind if i looked inside your car?'

you have the right to say yes or no. if you say yes, you can search, you waive your rights to protection from illegal search and seizure. basically giving him a verbal search warrant.
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You simply cant sign away your right for privacy in Europe. Even if you sign, that part of the contract is void. Cause of that you will read in German AGB´s something like. "If parts of this agb is against the law only the parts of this AGB are void, not the rest of this AGB.

example:
You sign away your privacy
You sign that Blizz can ban you while using HB blablub

First simply is void, second is not void.

Theres a reason why we can buy Microsoft Windows OEM-Versions without the relating computer here in germany. MS went through all instances and lost (everytime).
 
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