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consent to search waives 4th amendment rights in the USA

https://www.techdirt.com/articles/2...-youve-waived-your-4th-amendment-rights.shtml

The ACLU's Jameel Jaffer alerts us to a district court ruling in NY that effectively says that by merely agreeing to AOL's terms of service, you've waived your 4th Amendment rights. The case is the United States v. Frank DiTomasso, where DiTomasso is accused of producing child porn -- with most of the evidence used against him coming from AOL. DiTomasso argues that it was obtained via an unconstitutional search in violation of the 4th Amendment, but judge Shira Scheindlin rejects that, by basically saying that AOL's terms of service make you effectively waive any 4th Amendment right you might have in any such information. To be fair, Scheindlin doesn't get to that conclusion breezily, and earlier in the ruling worries that one can just give up such 4th Amendment rights:
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this was as recent as nov2014.

can anyone link something to the contrary? something they didnt hear from a friend, or from a shady GM? That ruling pretty much says 'if you are going to use our service, youre you are going to have to waive a few rights. mainly the 4th amendment'

i welcome any coherent arguments to join the conversation.
 
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Apple - Legal - Licensed Application End User License Agreement

for you prius driving appleheads

terms from the applestore where consent circumvents an existing law.

b. Consent to Use of Data: You agree that Application Provider may collect and use technical data and related information, including but not limited to technical information about Your device, system and application software, and peripherals, that is gathered periodically to facilitate the provision of software updates, product support and other services to You (if any) related to the Licensed Application. Application Provider may use this information, as long as it is in a form that does not personally identify You, to improve its products or to provide services or technologies to You.
 
https://www.eff.org/wp/dangerous-terms-users-guide-eulas

check out #5

5. "By signing this contract, you also agree to every change in future versions of it.
Oh yes, and EULAs are subject to change without notice."

In its Service Agreement for iTunes, Apple informs consumers:

Apple reserves the right, at any time and from time to time, to update, revise, supplement, and otherwise modify this Agreement and to impose new or additional rules, policies, terms, or conditions on your use of the Service. Such updates, revisions, supplements, modifications, and additional rules, policies, terms, and conditions (collectively referred to in this Agreement as "Additional Terms") will be effective immediately and incorporated into this Agreement. Your continued use of the iTunes Music Store following will be deemed to constitute your acceptance of any and all such Additional Terms. All Additional Terms are hereby incorporated into this Agreement by this reference.18
Put simply, this means that when you install iTunes, you are not only agreeing to all the onerous terms in the box, but you are also agreeing to future terms that may appear in the iTunes Terms of Service months or years from now. These terms are subject to change without notice, and you don't even get a chance to click through this future "contract" and agree. Mere "continued use of the iTunes Music Store" constitutes your agreement to contractual terms that you may not be aware exist. These kinds of terms are ubiquitous in EULAs and in Terms of Service for countless products.

Even the Mirar Toolbar, an advertising program similar to Gator, has these terms in its EULA. Agreeing to the EULA, which "will be changed without further notice," covers any future changes in terms:

Installation and use of this software signifies acceptance of the EULA inclusive of any future updates.
 
your defense after being caught botting shouldnt be 'well, they shouldnt have been looking'
 
http://www.forwardedge2.com/pdf/form-cs.pdf

here is a form by homeland security that allows a person to consent to waive their 4th amendment rights.

if the homeland security supports this method, im pretty sure blizzard can get away with it.

consent.webp
 
You might want to retake your civics class.

The 4th Amendment/entire Constitution is a contract between you and the federal government. It has absolutely nothing at all to do with interactions between you and other private citizens and businesses.
 
Jesus, are you guys even serious? This is literally the equvivalent to "I told a cop to go fuck himself and then I got arrested, freedom of speech!!!!"
 
andric1 said:
Jesus, are you guys even serious? This is literally the equvivalent to "I told a cop to go fuck himself and then I got arrested, freedom of speech!!!!"
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this is what they do (at least in my country)
 
Some of you forget that blizzard is not an court/government/legal authority. It is a private company, a private citizen like you; No person can take away your constitutional rights away.

On the other hand the private company made you sign an agreement to abide by their rules to use their product. You violated the rules and they in turn suspended your accounts. It can be treated like a fairly simple civil dispute, in which the company has the upper hand.

This is in no way a criminal matter, you violated a rule that is not recognized by any governing body (Yea like it says "You shall not bot in WoW" in US criminal code). I'm getting the feeling some people on the forum are confused how law works. Even if you wanted to sue Blizzard over breach of privacy you'd have to go to small claims court since the damages are going to be well below $5000.

In the end, it is a stupid thing to sit here and think that you are going to find some legal precedence or argument and Blizzard will just roll over and give you your accounts back. We are all in breach of contract; if anything blizzard can sue us (for destroying the economy and gaining unfair advantage by automation through violation of their terms of use). If you think this is going to work you need to grow up and stop watching law and order :D.
 
insindious said:
You might want to retake your civics class.

The 4th Amendment/entire Constitution is a contract between you and the federal government. It has absolutely nothing at all to do with interactions between you and other private citizens and businesses.
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This, Blizzard cannot violate any Amendment rights, only the US Government can. The issue here is that it is a Criminal Act to Invade Privacy (Invasion of Privacy Law & Legal Definition), and we still can't even be 100% sure that Blizzard did a scan of our PCs since no one has come forward with solid evidence of it.
 
did any of you at all read anything i posted? we are talking about consent.

business's arent taking anything from you when you consent to waive your rights to a search.
 
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frosticus said:
did any of you at all read anything i posted? we are talking about consent. not business's taking anything from you. you are consenting to waive your rights. right in terms.
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I think most of us don´t care that much, but I would never blame anyone whos trying to help. I think you are afraid your wife raises the "NO SEX UNTIL NEXT YEAR"-sign after her account gets banned *gg*. You should be prepared to buy her something she really likes. ;) Female revenge hurts us.
 
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wifes account didnt get banned and im not sure how that fits into the discussion, but thanks for playing.
 
I see no sense in complaining. *shrug* We are cheaters and got hit. That I´d never came back to WoW without the bot doesnt change the fact that I used the bot for uhm 5 years. The account was subbed first at 12. Feb. 2005 and I simply dont care.
 
this isnt a complaint thread. im looking for some kind of anything that either supports or does not support the thread title.'


and not just blank..derp you was banzored.

or, my bro said he heard from a gm

or, here is by ban letter, how did this happen
 
Blizz can search the ram dedicated to WoW but they are not allowed to search the rest of your pc. They will receive a 500 Mill Euro Banhammer if they do it. You cant give away your right for privacy in EU. That part of the contract simply is invalid. The risk is way to high for them.
 
frosticus said:
did any of you at all read anything i posted? we are talking about consent.

business's arent taking anything from you when you consent to waive your rights to a search.
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I feel sorry for you Frosticus, people on this forum are too retarded to even read what you wrote.

Apparently as you show evidence for you can waive your 4th amendment rights. However the problem here is that blizzard operates over countless countries, all with different laws concerning this topic. However #2, they just don't give a shit about the laws. If it actually went to court and it was ruled against them, they'd just pay the small fine and call it a day.
 
yeh, i guess i should have stated this was a US law discussion. you cant win when you take a company as big as blizzard to court. even if you win, you are still drained of resouces.
 
frosticus said:
yeh, i guess i should have stated this was a US law discussion. you cant win when you take a company as big as blizzard to court. even if you win, you are still drained of resouces.
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Indeed, they will just bury you in paper work. And laugh at you when you try to dig yourself out :) Every paper you remove they add two more.
 
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