Considering a "super system" - Need advice

[ad3ddd]

If you are talking about 16 good producing bots, that is inferno item farming, on a overclocked 3770k please post pictures or I am going to call bullshit on this.

/e: ok i just saw you were talking about running 26 on a 3990k so you must be trolling.

don't get me wrong, I don't want to trash what you said but I honestly can't believe it as we've had this discussion quite some times now and I've talked to some dedicated people who all were running 12 max on their i7 rigs for good producing stuff. I just don't think you have found some sort of holy grail that would push efficiency by 50%.

Well, it runs 20 easily (3930K), why not push it to the max and run some more? My friend says he can't handle more, because they take up too much time to check and actually sell the drops, so he decided to cap his operation at 20. But as soon as i've completed my new setup, i'll be posting about it, better believe that

as far as "i7s" go, i've ran 12 on my 8 core AMD, but it wasn't very efficient, tbh. Anyhow, i am pretty sure you can run more on any i7, especially 3770K.

 

[Dbuddy]

actually i run 13 on my i7 3770k with 24gb ram. 3GB GPU, minimal Win7 Settings.

100% cpu load

there is only one problem: it seems 100% cpu load gets my YAR Relogger constantly crashing after a few minutes...

and overclocking to 4,2ghz with my MSI board doesn't change anything - the cap to stay a bit behind 100% cpu load must be like 11 or 12 bots.

to be honest - i am a bit disappointed that overclocking only produces more heat but no power for more bots.

if anyone got a fix for the YAR problem let me know

greets

 

[Hagg]

Like most people here, my experience is:
#1 On a 3770K OC'ed to 4.3K ghz, I can run 9-10 bots while playing other games. As other have pointed out, running 10 bots at 50% cpu use does NOT mean you can run 20 bots -I would guess its more like 13 bots max. Once you go past 80% average cpu use you will sometimes be at 100%, slowing the system down at times. Adding more bots at this time is not effective, since each additional bot will increase crashing and decrease the performance of your current bots.
#2 I would be shocked if you managed to run 26 bots effectively on a 3930K. If you do, please provide some pictures

 

[Dbuddy]

Like most people here, my experience is:
#1 On a 3770K OC'ed to 4.3K ghz, I can run 9-10 bots while playing other games. As other have pointed out, running 10 bots at 50% cpu use does NOT mean you can run 20 bots -I would guess its more like 13 bots max. Once you go past 80% average cpu use you will sometimes be at 100%, slowing the system down at times. Adding more bots at this time is not effective, since each additional bot will increase crashing and decrease the performance of your current bots.
#2 I would be shocked if you managed to run 26 bots effectively on a 3930K. If you do, please provide some pictures

crashing imho depends on stability of the actual DB/Trinity Version.
actually i have only ~1 crash per day with 13 bots, but YAR crashing is my problem because a crashed YAR is quite useless.... only for easy re-start of all bots...

 

[ad3ddd]

actually i run 13 on my i7 3770k with 24gb ram. 3GB GPU, minimal Win7 Settings.

100% cpu load

there is only one problem: it seems 100% cpu load gets my YAR Relogger constantly crashing after a few minutes...

and overclocking to 4,2ghz with my MSI board doesn't change anything - the cap to stay a bit behind 100% cpu load must be like 11 or 12 bots.

to be honest - i am a bit disappointed that overclocking only produces more heat but no power for more bots.

if anyone got a fix for the YAR problem let me know

greets

Read my post about Ivy Bridge CPUs, they overlock really well, but you need to know/do some specific things. 13 bots at 100% CPU load is totally unworthy of the famous Intel performance, i am able to do almost the same on 8 core AMD cpu. Don't know what you guys are doing wrong..

 

[ad3ddd]

Like most people here, my experience is:
#1 On a 3770K OC'ed to 4.3K ghz, I can run 9-10 bots while playing other games. As other have pointed out, running 10 bots at 50% cpu use does NOT mean you can run 20 bots -I would guess its more like 13 bots max. Once you go past 80% average cpu use you will sometimes be at 100%, slowing the system down at times. Adding more bots at this time is not effective, since each additional bot will increase crashing and decrease the performance of your current bots.
#2 I would be shocked if you managed to run 26 bots effectively on a 3930K. If you do, please provide some pictures

I am not the one who has 3930K, it is a bit too pricy for me but i helped an acquaintance to build a high end system and he is pushing 20 on it. As i explained already, he doesn't want to get involved with any more instances, because they take up too much of his time to check and sell stuff. So i can't really provide a picture, sorry. As i am building an i7 system myself, i will be able to provide pictures of what i was able to accomplish. Once it is ready and in use, i will post here.

Cheers

 

[falconpewpew]

crashing imho depends on stability of the actual DB/Trinity Version.
actually i have only ~1 crash per day with 13 bots, but YAR crashing is my problem because a crashed YAR is quite useless.... only for easy re-start of all bots...

d3 crashes coz lack of RAM , tested

 

[Dbuddy]

Read my post about Ivy Bridge CPUs, they overlock really well, but you need to know/do some specific things. 13 bots at 100% CPU load is totally unworthy of the famous Intel performance, i am able to do almost the same on 8 core AMD cpu. Don't know what you guys are doing wrong..

maybe you can provide some useful information.

i have bought a MSI oc genie Board because it has a easy "overclocking" button for noobs like me.

as far as i see the numbers it does work...
but it does not reduce the total CPU load.

it's like "hey, i OC'ed my system *whohooo*" - but it has absolutely NO effect for botting

So where is my bottleneck and can i even fix it with manually OC'ing?


CPU is fine, GPU is fine, Windows is fine, RAM is fine and heat is fine.

 

[ad3ddd]

Well, overclock it more, then. At least to 4.6 or 4.7 and check your heat. Watch for it to be somewhere in the "normal/usual" range, which should be easy to find; there are numerous websites that offer insight on 3770K overclocking. As far as i can tell, something is not right. But once again, i've never seen DB on ivy bridge in my life, only on sandy-e, which is six core and quite a lot more powerful. It is possible, that i am all wrong about this and you guys are doing it right. Only way to tell for sure is for me to test it, which is going to happen pretty soon, i hope xD

p.s. overclocking isn't as straightforward as people think it is. often same model chips are completely different OC-wise and there are a lot of variables, mainly the MOBO(chipset, bios, north bridge)/PSU/QUALITY and STABILITY OF THE ELECTRICITY NETWORK IN YOUR HOME/MEMORY/CPU HEATSINK/FANS/TIM/CASE AIRFLOW/AMBIENT ROOM TEMPERATURE. Any one of these can cause different results and effects on your OC. I have played a bit with a mobo that had oc genie and tbh, i didn't like it. Open up some OC forum and follow their procedure, and see what happens. I've had cases where lower oc with higher voltage or lower oc with lower voltage, but higher NB voltage actually resulted in better performance. All in all, it is strictly individual and requires A LOT of testing. In my personal experience with AMD CPUs, OC always have had good results for botting. For example: 8350 with 8 isntances OCed to 4.1 runs 8 okay, but 9/10 max it out, where as OCed to 4.7/4.8 it runs 10 okay and 11/12 max it out. As you can see, that's quite a difference, right there.

 

[razor1]

Yeah would really love to see your results whenever you get your cpu, I've been messing around with my 3770k for months now and am not getting the results I want. I have it OCed to 4.5 but whenever I try to go higher in bios and then check the speed in cpu-z after startup it still only says 4.5... Does this mean my chip cannot exceed this or is my AI suite slowing it down? The act that you run also eases/hardens the load on your cpu. I have noticed that my bots run smoother and other apps open faster on act 1 compared to act 3. With 12 bots I am at about 65-85% cpu load and gpu load is at 40%. FPS fluctuates between 12-15 for some reason.

In regards to changing the TIM inside the cpu, is Hellmann's real mayonnaise adequate or do i need to buy a more expensive paste? (I got Arctic Silver 5 as well)

 

[ezpwnd]

So I guess with recent activities we'll never gonna see one of those magic 20+ systems ad3ddd keeps talking about. Surprise surprise.

 

[ad3ddd]

Well, too bad all my bots got pwnd. I plan to be back with the numbers, tho.. of course it will take some time

 

[deXtoRious]

Well, too bad all my bots got pwnd. I plan to be back with the numbers, tho.. of course it will take some time

With the profit potential as low as it is nowadays, how do you find motivation to bother with a setup like that for D3? Just curious.

 

[ad3ddd]

I like doing hardware stuff, i just approach it as a hobby, as i have had for some time.. just botting pays for the expensive stuff like CPUs and GPUs to play around with. I also like building loudspeakers and such ;p