CLU (Codified Likeness Utility)

[zeldrak]

@wulf

Hey, I haven't used this for healing as Disc yet. I'm always nervous about using a CC as a tank or healer as those are the two most depended on roles in a group. Dps is great to have, but I've seen many fights won with just a healer and tank. I'm not very nervous about using a CC as a dps, because I can just say that I wasn't paying much attention or something, and then switch CCs. With tanking and healing that's not the case.

So, with this CC in regs / heroics, how does it work? I don't use the smite-heal style. I'm not using the AA build. I tried it, and really didn't like it. It wasn't very mana friendly, even when I followed all directions for spec and glyphs. Right now I'm using this spec ( Talent Calculator - World of Warcraft ) for my priest. Would your CC work well with this spec? I'm currently using Ama's NoobRage for Disc Priests. Just curious as to how your CC will do.

Edit: I don't know if this is the bot or the CC, but I've noticed that when using CLU for healing, and I'm standing in my home town not in a group with anyone, if anyone comes within range they will be targeted and healed. I watched everything for a few minutes and realized I was just throwing out free heals to anyone and everyone that wasn't fully healed. If this is part of the CC, can you throw in a fail-safe that keeps things from being cast if not in a group or in combat? I don't usually stand in town with HB paused (using LazyRaider's pause option) or stopped. I generally have it running in the background while I do my normal routine. I don't want it throwing heals out to anyone that isn't fully topped off.

 

[Noelbuddy]

@wulf

Hey, I haven't used this for healing as Disc yet. I'm always nervous about using a CC as a tank or healer as those are the two most depended on roles in a group. Dps is great to have, but I've seen many fights won with just a healer and tank. I'm not very nervous about using a CC as a dps, because I can just say that I wasn't paying much attention or something, and then switch CCs. With tanking and healing that's not the case.

So, with this CC in regs / heroics, how does it work? I don't use the smite-heal style. I'm not using the AA build. I tried it, and really didn't like it. It wasn't very mana friendly, even when I followed all directions for spec and glyphs. Right now I'm using this spec ( Talent Calculator - World of Warcraft ) for my priest. Would your CC work well with this spec? I'm currently using Ama's NoobRage for Disc Priests. Just curious as to how your CC will do.

Edit: I don't know if this is the bot or the CC, but I've noticed that when using CLU for healing, and I'm standing in my home town not in a group with anyone, if anyone comes within range they will be targeted and healed. I watched everything for a few minutes and realized I was just throwing out free heals to anyone and everyone that wasn't fully healed. If this is part of the CC, can you throw in a fail-safe that keeps things from being cast if not in a group or in combat? I don't usually stand in town with HB paused (using LazyRaider's pause option) or stopped. I generally have it running in the background while I do my normal routine. I don't want it throwing heals out to anyone that isn't fully topped off.

I dont know about AA on CLU as I said i usually use my own profile or modfiy profile to do what i want it to do. and man AA priest is good. the only reason i think it goes out of mana if it is shield everyone how get damage not only the tank.
shield need only to be able on the tank or when you know that there will be a lot of damage thats why I asked wulf to add a hot key to hot for resto or shield anyone on range for druid or priest.
about stoping the healing outside the combat that will cause a lot of problem on 5man i dont advise you to make it except if it was optional.

I am using clu as blood dk and i can say it doing a lot of good job but i think some cd need to be used even if "Bone Shield" or "Dancing Rune Weapon" are up so i removed from the condition
and change "Bone Shield" to cast when ever it is not up.. it hope there will be an option for it on the new cc since it will be nice to use it on specific time on some fights.

Spells.CastSelfSpell("Bone Shield",             ret => !Buff.PlayerHasBuff("Bone Shield"), "Bone Shield"),

and for raid i removed auto use of "Vampiric Blood", " Dancing Rune Weapon" , "Icebound Fortitude" and "Anti-Magic Shell".
for 5man I removed ibky 2 spells " Dancing Rune Weapon" and "Anti-Magic Shell" but i modify the value to when it should be used because i think both IF and VB are used early.
for paladin i think you will not face a lot of problem same goes for warrior and druid. so tanking on clu will be safe .

 

[zeldrak]

I dont know about AA on CLU as I said i usually use my own profile or modfiy profile to do what i want it to do. and man AA priest is good. the only reason i think it goes out of mana if it is shield everyone how get damage not only the tank.
shield need only to be able on the tank or when you know that there will be a lot of damage thats why I asked wulf to add a hot key to hot for resto or shield anyone on range for druid or priest.
about stoping the healing outside the combat that will cause a lot of problem on 5man i dont advise you to make it except if it was optional.

I am using clu as blood dk and i can say it doing a lot of good job but i think some cd need to be used even if "Bone Shield" or "Dancing Rune Weapon" are up so i removed from the condition
and change "Bone Shield" to cast when ever it is not up.. it hope there will be an option for it on the new cc since it will be nice to use it on specific time on some fights.

Spells.CastSelfSpell("Bone Shield",             ret => !Buff.PlayerHasBuff("Bone Shield"), "Bone Shield"),

and for raid i removed auto use of "Vampiric Blood", " Dancing Rune Weapon" , "Icebound Fortitude" and "Anti-Magic Shell".
for 5man I removed ibky 2 spells " Dancing Rune Weapon" and "Anti-Magic Shell" but i modify the value to when it should be used because i think both IF and VB are used early.
for paladin i think you will not face a lot of problem same goes for warrior and druid. so tanking on clu will be safe .

Yeah, I use CLU to tank on my blood DK all the time. Does a wonderful job, but I think wulf or stormchasing should hash out a check on RP. My blood DK stays runic capped almost all the time. It could be throwing some death coils, or something that doesn't use a rune, to dump some RP. And yeah, I think it does blow some CDs a little too early. I don't mind the AMS and BS being cast when they do, but like you said, it should cast BS on every single CD. I rarely use VB in 5-mans because my DK is geared extremely heavy with mastery, so I take very little damage unless my keyboard blinks out and I'm left standing in the purple shit on the ground. Other than that CLU does great for tanking on my DK.

I just wasn't sure how it would work out on a disc priest that wasns't spec'd with AA. I don't like it. I can't get used to it. I prefer to just cast heals and not worry about having to keep a bubble on people all the time. The less I have to micromanage the better for me. I'm not that focused.

 

[Noelbuddy]

you usually use RP for "Rune Strike" or "Death Coils" when you target someone and you are not on melee range which kinda like to use it manually
they only thing wulf need to add is a condition to use rune strike when it is full and there is no need to use death strike.
if you hate the shield healing dont disc as whole is not for you. go holy .
and wulf support both AA and non-AA disc priest

 

[Soeski]

Wulf,
Something has changed in the AA-spec. I was healing last night in LFR, doing only 6K HPS. I was quite sleepy, so I noticed after 10 minutes (LOL) that it did not use Smite/Holy Fire AT ALL. Even when I selected a mob, it only casted Heal, Penance and the occasional Prayer of Healing. I also was at full mana all the time, not even dropping below 90%.
This has happened once before a couple of weeks ago, don't know what you did to fix it then.
Quickly changed to Noobrage and HPS went up to 20K (and mana problems at last platform Deathwing lol).

 

[Noelbuddy]

@Wulf you could try
this rotation as blood dk

// START Main Rotation
Buff.CastDebuff("Outbreak", 					ret => !Buff.TargetHasDebuff("Frost Fever") || !Buff.TargetHasDebuff("Blood Plague"), "Outbreak for diseases"), 
Buff.CastDebuff("Icy Touch",                    ret => Me.CurrentTarget != null && Spell.SpellCooldown("Outbreak").TotalSeconds > 3 && Me.HealthPercent > 50 && !Buff.UnitHasAttackSpeedDebuff(Me.CurrentTarget), "Icy Touch for Frost Fever"),
Buff.CastDebuff("Plague Strike",                ret => Me.CurrentTarget != null && Spell.SpellCooldown("Outbreak").TotalSeconds > 3 && Me.HealthPercent > 50 && !Buff.UnitHasDamageReductionDebuff(Me.CurrentTarget), "Plague Strike for Scarlet Fevor"),
Spells.CastSpell("Death Strike", 				ret => Me.HealthPercent < 40 || (Me.UnholyRuneCount + Me.FrostRuneCount + Me.DeathRuneCount >= 4) || (Me.HealthPercent < 90 && !Buff.PlayerHasBuff("Blood Shield")), "Death Strike"), 
Spells.CastSelfSpell("Blood Tap",               ret => Me.HealthPercent <= 90 && Me.BloodRuneCount >= 1 && (Me.UnholyRuneCount == 0 || Me.FrostRuneCount == 0), "Blood Tap"), 
Spells.CastSelfSpell("Rune Tap",                ret => Me.HealthPercent <= 80 && Me.BloodRuneCount >= 1, "Rune Tap"),
Spells.CastSpell("Horn of Winter",              ret => Me.CurrentRunicPower < 34 || !Buff.UnitHasStrAgiBuff(Me), "Horn of Winter for RP"));
Spells.CastSpell("Rune Strike", 				ret => (Me.CurrentRunicPower >= 60 || Me.HealthPercent > 90) && (Me.UnholyRuneCount == 0 || Me.FrostRuneCount == 0) && !Buff.PlayerHasBuff("Lichborne"), "Rune Strike"),
Spells.CastSpell("Death Coil",                  ret => Me.CurrentTarget != null && !Spell.CanCast("Rune Strike", Me.CurrentTarget) && Me.CurrentRunicPower >= 90, "Death Coil"),
Spells.CastAreaSpell("Blood Boil", 10, false, 4, 0.0, 0.0, ret => Me.BloodRuneCount >= 1, "Blood Boil"),
Spells.CastSpell("Heart Strike", 				ret => Me.BloodRuneCount > 0, "Heart Strike"),

I am going to test it now and see how it is go on 5man
I guess it could have some problem with tanking mobs more than one which mean i need to lower the need to use D&D to 2

 

[Noelbuddy]

I test the tweak blood cc and it looks kinda Good to me nothing major but if you could compare it to the original it will be nice
I did not minitor Bone shield but i think it is still not cast on cd maybe i should move it up to the rotaiton or maybe when i was looking it there was not enough rune to use it.
i will try to test it later when i have time for it.
so whoever wants to try it i will post here but as I said there is no major change since Wulf already done it so well.
so the change that i done to the cc was increase the radius for D&D from 10 to 15 and it kinda feels it droping faster now.
and increase Buff.CastRaidBuff for both BB from 10 to 12 , and prio some spells over the others and remove some condition on using the cd and tweak the vaule of some of them I am still not that happy with them.

edit:
i have change the selfbuff out of combat to be enable or disable using setting on buffing raid or party so it will be look less botty while gathering , fishing or afk and change rune strike condition and i hope it will be right

 

[Phyzoon]

So, is ravage! not working properly or what? CLU seems to stop attacking every 30 seconds when Tiger's Fury is cast and procs Ravage.

 

[weischbier]

Hey guys still here. Allot is going on in real life due to moving jobs (yes I got the job!) so their will be a little bit of down time for me.
I am still actively developing this CC (recent work is on the GUI which I am about 35% done) and it is going to be awesome.

I am going to include enough settings across all rotations for you to fine tune your rotations to be a lean mean killing machines..erm..or healing machines It will also include allot of information about your rotations and world environment.

@Noelbuddy The GUI is not that difficult its making it robust enough for changes in the future and this is almost complete..I will definitely have blacklists for certain dispels as well as adding high priority's.

I hope you guys can stick with me while I transition into this new role so we can build on CLU ready for MoP!

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You need to tell me how you do this!

cheers

Weischbier

 

[zeldrak]

Hey guys still here. Allot is going on in real life due to moving jobs (yes I got the job!) so their will be a little bit of down time for me.
I am still actively developing this CC (recent work is on the GUI which I am about 35% done) and it is going to be awesome.

I am going to include enough settings across all rotations for you to fine tune your rotations to be a lean mean killing machines..erm..or healing machines It will also include allot of information about your rotations and world environment.

@Noelbuddy The GUI is not that difficult its making it robust enough for changes in the future and this is almost complete..I will definitely have blacklists for certain dispels as well as adding high priority's.

I hope you guys can stick with me while I transition into this new role so we can build on CLU ready for MoP!

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@wulf

I love that GUI design. When you set those options, and they save, I'm sure that will be extremely helpful and awesome. I look forward to using the new CLU. Also, good luck on your transition and hopefully it goes faster than you anticipated.

 

[wulf]

I test the tweak blood cc and it looks kinda Good to me nothing major but if you could compare it to the original it will be nice
I did not minitor Bone shield but i think it is still not cast on cd maybe i should move it up to the rotaiton or maybe when i was looking it there was not enough rune to use it.
i will try to test it later when i have time for it.
so whoever wants to try it i will post here but as I said there is no major change since Wulf already done it so well.
so the change that i done to the cc was increase the radius for D&D from 10 to 15 and it kinda feels it droping faster now.
and increase Buff.CastRaidBuff for both BB from 10 to 12 , and prio some spells over the others and remove some condition on using the cd and tweak the vaule of some of them I am still not that happy with them.

edit:
i have change the selfbuff out of combat to be enable or disable using setting on buffing raid or party so it will be look less botty while gathering , fishing or afk and change rune strike condition and i hope it will be right

Thanks Noelbuddy, I will take a look at your changes...if any other DK tanks could test using the files Noelbuddy attatched and provide positive Feedback I will add them to CLU. Thanks again Noelbuddy!

So, is ravage! not working properly or what? CLU seems to stop attacking every 30 seconds when Tiger's Fury is cast and procs Ravage.

Hi Phyzoon, Last time I checked it was working fine, however I want to change it now I know raphus has fixed it in HB, Will try and fix this ASAP.

 

[wulf]

Wulf,
Something has changed in the AA-spec. I was healing last night in LFR, doing only 6K HPS. I was quite sleepy, so I noticed after 10 minutes (LOL) that it did not use Smite/Holy Fire AT ALL. Even when I selected a mob, it only casted Heal, Penance and the occasional Prayer of Healing. I also was at full mana all the time, not even dropping below 90%.
This has happened once before a couple of weeks ago, don't know what you did to fix it then.
Quickly changed to Noobrage and HPS went up to 20K (and mana problems at last platform Deathwing lol).

Yes I have seen this as well. Restarting WoW and HB resolved it for me. I want to do more investigation on why this occurs.

You need to tell me how you do this!

cheers

Weischbier

WPF and Styles!!

 

[Noelbuddy]

@Wulf,
after discussion btw zeldrak and me , remember that your cc sometime cast defence cd lates , and I guess i found the reason your cc piro the rotation over medic and you can check that with any blood dk with bone shield
so here how i test I made sure that ur cc use medic rotation even when I am 100% HP then went to the dummy and every time bone shield comes from cc remove the bone shield buff and monitior what your cc will do.
so the result were of casting the spell on time or even sometime it will take it 5 or more secounds to cast it
so I want to check if my theory was fact so I remove bone shield from medic rotation to the main rotation and man it was casting always on time when i have the rune for it.
and this the blood.cc after i shift the bone shield to the main rotation.

 

[wulf]

@Wulf,
after discussion btw zeldrak and me , remember that your cc sometime cast defence cd lates , and I guess i found the reason your cc piro the rotation over medic and you can check that with any blood dk with bone shield
so here how i test I made sure that ur cc use medic rotation even when I am 100% HP then went to the dummy and every time bone shield comes from cc remove the bone shield buff and monitior what your cc will do.
so the result were of casting the spell on time or even sometime it will take it 5 or more secounds to cast it
so I want to check if my theory was fact so I remove bone shield from medic rotation to the main rotation and man it was casting always on time when i have the rune for it.
and this the blood.cc after i shift the bone shield to the main rotation.

Ahhhhh....CombatBuffBehavior must be pulsed allot less than CombatBehavior.....hmmmm

 

[zeldrak]

@Wulf,
after discussion btw zeldrak and me , remember that your cc sometime cast defence cd lates , and I guess i found the reason your cc piro the rotation over medic and you can check that with any blood dk with bone shield
so here how i test I made sure that ur cc use medic rotation even when I am 100% HP then went to the dummy and every time bone shield comes from cc remove the bone shield buff and monitior what your cc will do.
so the result were of casting the spell on time or even sometime it will take it 5 or more secounds to cast it
so I want to check if my theory was fact so I remove bone shield from medic rotation to the main rotation and man it was casting always on time when i have the rune for it.
and this the blood.cc after i shift the bone shield to the main rotation.

@wulf

Yes, Noelbuddy is correct. I would say that the CombatBuffBehaviour is being pulsed either less, or much later than the CombatBehaviour routines. When I tank using CLU on my DK, most of the time I have to cast Bone Shield manually on every cooldown. I've tried to take note on how often CLU casts it, and when BS is off CD CLU will take anywhere from 2 to 10 seconds to cast it. It usually averages out to be around 6 seconds. It tanks wonderfully, but I think it would be even better if it would cast the class damage mitigation skills in combat on every CD immediately once their CD timers are expired and they are ready to be cast again. Not all defensive CDs need to be done like this, just the damage mitigation ones such as Bone Shield. And, with magic being cast at the player, also pop AMS. Just a suggestion.

 

[Noelbuddy]

AMS does not have the problem that other medic spell have like Bone shield , VP , death pact and others since it is on the main rotation and not medic rotation.
if you are want to use your DK on doing only HC I will advice to use clu over Singular on doing hc there is a lot of time where you face more than 3 mobs and their were Singular fail since there remove BB instead of fixing it.
if you only want Bone shield to be cast fast as it should be you can download my last post blood.cs and buff.cs that i post before. and you can turn off buff raid and party so it will turn also turn off selfbuff so it will look less botty while your waiting or afking.
I was like you scared from shifting from Singular to clu but I made it and I am more than happy now.

 

[gniegsch]

Thanks Noelbuddy, I will take a look at your changes...if any other DK tanks could test using the files Noelbuddy attatched and provide positive Feedback I will add them to CLU. Thanks again Noelbuddy!

I would not be a good tester of this as I modify the files whenever they are updated. I check for what is updated and only update as needed.

Basically I remove the buffing out of combat, disable Icebound Fortitude, AMS, Bone Shield and Vampiric Blood. I run them manually for the content we are doing,
they are rather situational in my opinion.

Apart from that I am experimenting on doing DS to keep the shield up.

Obviously the 30% nerf makes stuff a lot similar to the normals when it was released, but various things will still kill you and as I use it for raiding I would never expect it to handle everything for me. I let it do the basic stuff so I can spend my time monitoring what's going on around me to react quicker in sticky situations.

 

[Noelbuddy]

I would not be a good tester of this as I modify the files whenever they are updated. I check for what is updated and only update as needed.

Basically I remove the buffing out of combat, disable Icebound Fortitude, AMS, Bone Shield and Vampiric Blood. I run them manually for the content we are doing,
they are rather situational in my opinion.

Apart from that I am experimenting on doing DS to keep the shield up.

Obviously the 30% nerf makes stuff a lot similar to the normals when it was released, but various things will still kill you and as I use it for raiding I would never expect it to handle everything for me. I let it do the basic stuff so I can spend my time monitoring what's going on around me to react quicker in sticky situations.

He was not talking about the CDs, he was talking about the change on the rotation.

 

[change1378]

I love the CC and use it for all my toons and specs; i only have 1 issue. On morchok it seems to want to spam faerie fire over and over again and drop to 8k dps in ilvl 390. is there anything i can do about that?

 

[Sippinhaterade]

Why doesnt Spriest use Mind Sear on aoe attacks?