Buying new pc - couple of questions

[hetsig]

Buying a new pc and Im looking at the gfx 660 since it seems to be good value and the i7-3770k (wow is pc heavy no`?). RAM Im thinking of going with 32gb 1333mz, not sure about the brand yet. What Im not so sure about is the rest of the parts. I need a Motherboard that supports the cpu and video card and I would like to have the option to do a mild overklock of the cpu. I have heard that it is easy to do a mild overclock with some motherboards cus its supported in the drivers config. Not sure about that tho. Dont know which case I should go with either. Im not that bothered with noise so Im thinking its good to go with one thats got good cooling. PSU Im not sure on either.

So, what I think Im gonna go with is i7-3770k, gtx 660 and 32GB 1333 Mz RAM. I would like some advice on the rest of the parts.

I need a new pc so Im not buying this solely for botting but since Im gonna buy it anyway why not make it bot friendly. So I want the pc to be able to handle a lot of bots and HB or DB (when RoS is out) but without going crazy with the cost. Im willing to spend around 1000-1200 dollars.

Any advice?

 

[frosticus]

is there a reason you are going with 32g of slow ram? just interested

 

[Grim32]

Honestly hold off from the graphics card front. AMD have new cards soon that are quite good based on benchmarks. Make sure the Mobo is appropriate to what you want, that it fits your CPU, Ram, and expansion slots (and case!). Possibly change the stock cooler to a nice cheap cheerful air/water cooler. anything tends to be better than stock. And of course power supply. Make sure whatever you buy has a good power supply. a good gauge for this is look at any pre-built PC's that have what you want and base your PSU on theirs (power wise, not make)

-Grim

 

[luisfilpe]

Honestly hold off from the graphics card front. AMD have new cards soon that are quite good based on benchmarks. Make sure the Mobo is appropriate to what you want, that it fits your CPU, Ram, and expansion slots (and case!). Possibly change the stock cooler to a nice cheap cheerful air/water cooler. anything tends to be better than stock. And of course power supply. Make sure whatever you buy has a good power supply. a good gauge for this is look at any pre-built PC's that have what you want and base your PSU on theirs (power wise, not make)

-Grim

Grim32 u should know how crappy amd are about drivers and support in my opinion I will never in my life I will go back to amd for some simple reason bad drivers and bad image quality I had once amd dual gpu update the drivers like I allways do after that 1 gpu stop working and the toke 1 year to release the fix and not talking how bad quality was graphics and images errors I promise my self never go back amd better stay Nvidia had manny of then never had any problems

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[hetsig]

is there a reason you are going with 32g of slow ram? just interested

Didnt think the speed mathered much for a game like wow. It does take a lot of memory though. You think 1600 Hz would give me more bots`?

 

[hetsig]

Honestly hold off from the graphics card front. AMD have new cards soon that are quite good based on benchmarks. Make sure the Mobo is appropriate to what you want, that it fits your CPU, Ram, and expansion slots (and case!). Possibly change the stock cooler to a nice cheap cheerful air/water cooler. anything tends to be better than stock. And of course power supply. Make sure whatever you buy has a good power supply. a good gauge for this is look at any pre-built PC's that have what you want and base your PSU on theirs (power wise, not make)

-Grim

You mean I should wait untill AMD release new cards? I cant wait since I can barely do my work on this pc so I will have to order in 2-3 days. About the Mobo, how do I know if the video card fits?

a good gauge for this is look at any pre-built PC's that have what you want and base your PSU on theirs (power wise, not make)

-Grim

So I should search around the forum for pc specs and look at the PSU? What do you mean with "not make"?

 

[Grim32]

Grim32 u should know how crappy amd are about drivers and support in my opinion I will never in my life I will go back to amd for some simple reason bad drivers and bad image quality I had once amd dual gpu update the drivers like I allways do after that 1 gpu stop working and the toke 1 year to release the fix and not talking how bad quality was graphics and images errors I promise my self never go back amd better stay Nvidia had manny of then never had any problems

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I've always been a Nvidia fan boy but their new stuff looks good. It's eta is the next month.

You mean I should wait untill AMD release new cards? I cant wait since I can barely do my work on this pc so I will have to order in 2-3 days. About the Mobo, how do I know if the video card fits?



So I should search around the forum for pc specs and look at the PSU? What do you mean with "not make"?

For both, the easiest way is to look at prebuilt PC's. 9/10 you will be able to ship the parts to yourself and build it cheaper and save a hundred (of your selected currency).

As I'm British I'll use British sites so show what I mean. So say I want to upgrade my graphics card & CPU. I find one that has roughly what I'm looking for so I know what to keep an eye out for. E.G.:
GLADIATOR GTX 650Ti BOOST Intel i7-4770 Haswell 3.90GHz Quad-Core Next Day Gaming PC - Aria PC

From there I can see which motherboard is used - so I can look at that motherboard and check what slots/CPU type it is & find a matching (possibly cheaper) version I can find. I can also see what power supply is needed to supply that kit. What I meant about make is, I would rather buy a named brand power supply then a generic company brand. it's lioke choosing Coca Cola/Pepsi > Generic Cola. In that example above It uses Corsair. I would rather have a Corsair than that websites generic PSU. Though cheaper they tend to be less reliable.

What you'll need to check when buying a mobo is whether it's Low profile/Micro ATX or ATX. The difference being depending on how big your Computer tower is. If it's a small tower you'll need to get small everything (except CPU usually), small card, small ram, etc. If you have a standard case, you don't have to worry.

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Alternatively instead of comparing like I do. You can always find popular components that have sold well, check the specs of said product and simply compare it against requirements of another. Making sure yourself that what you're buying is correct.

-Grim

 

[Soullinker]

Id your planning to get a CPU cooler get a big case! Good mainstream cooler like the Evo 212 won't fit in a small mid tower, so plan accordingly.
Also the RAM should be low profile, this means no fancy heat sinks on the RAM if your going 36gb and a cooler, as most coolers( that are worth the money and are good) will take a Ram slot or two(i mean they will tower on top of the slot so you can't put the ram unless low profile.)
If you can't fit the cooler or RAM you stuck with water cooling and that cost far too much money for the bang it gives(unless you go for the super duper pro water cooler that cost as much as a good GPU.)

Since your going for a 3770K you plan to overclock, and you can't clock with no cooler.

 

[Croga]

Any advice?

Loads and loads...

- Why an i7? If you want to bot, WoW doesn't need a fast CPU. Only when raiding does a fast CPU have advantages.
- 32GB is good. Speed of the memory isn't all that important, 1333 is more than enough.
- AMD is currently the defacto leader in graphics when bang for the buck is concerned. Especially with the new 200 series.
- Make sure you get a decent SSD. The only issue there is that multiple access is a challenge for an SSD so if you really want top performance you should go for a fast SSD for the OS and swap file and multiple small SSDs or HDDs for the WoW installs you use.

All in all:
- Core i5 CPU
- 16 or 32GB of RAM (16GB will run 8 - 10 bots)
- AMD 200 series GPU (depending on what you want to spend. The 280 is probably your best bet)
- 128GB SSD for boot, depending on what you want to run another 2 or 3 SSDs or HDDs for your WoW/bot software

And finally: Realise that you may have more money available than this costs but that money is much more usefully spent in a year or 2 time. Don't overspend, it'll cost you money without giving you any more functionality.

 

[hetsig]

Ive been told that the i7 is better when botting wow. I dont have enough knowledge to decide whether thats true or not so Im thinking of going with the i7 to play it safe. Keep in mind that I will most likely bot RoS as well when it gets released. I dont know if its much different then wow performance wise though. I noticed that RAM is pretty expensive and I will need more then 16 GB but not as much as 32 GB. Is it a bad idea to go with 3x8GB? Ive read that its better to go with even slots, so 2 or 4.

The 280 is a bit too expensive for me. My old pc got a i7-2600, 16GB RAM and a GT 530 and even with this crappy card I never had a problem with it while botting. It felt like the RAM and CPU were the bottleneck. So is it really necessary to go a card like that? I dont do much gaming other than the botting and if I do play, its usually old games.

Ive been looking around some more and these are my preliminary picks:

Took it from a swedish website but you can see what it is

Komplett.se - Fractal Design Define R4 Black Pearl (Case)
Komplett.se - Corsair CX 600M, 600W PSU (PSU)
Komplett.se - MSI B85M-E45, Socket-1150 (Mobo)
Gtx 660
CPU I have not decided yet, most likely Intel though
3x8GB RAM (bad idea?)

This looks ok? The measurement for the PSU is 150x160x86mm and the measurement for the case is 140 mm. Is my math completly wrong here or is this case too small for the PSU?

 

[bloodmarks]

- Why an i7? If you want to bot, WoW doesn't need a fast CPU. Only when raiding does a fast CPU have advantages.

wrong 1 WOW bot does not take much ram but when you run 10-20-40 instances fast CPU is first bottleneck (second is memory quantity GPU is almost not important)

- 32GB is good. Speed of the memory isn't all that important, 1333 is more than enough.

true plus CPU that is not overclocked is maxed at dual channel 1600 bandwidth anyway so more than 1600 is useless (if you don't overclock)
in other words quantity is important but speed not so much

- AMD is currently the defacto leader in graphics when bang for the buck is concerned. Especially with the new 200 series.

almost anything will work, if you go with minimum details (as usual for botters) any mid GPU ($150 - $200 range) will be overkill just make sure GPU uses GDDR5 and has at least 2GB video ram, but yes AMD has currently better bang for buck

- Make sure you get a decent SSD. The only issue there is that multiple access is a challenge for an SSD so if you really want top performance you should go for a fast SSD for the OS and swap file and multiple small SSDs or HDDs for the WoW installs you use.

with 32GB swap should not be used, also 1 SSD is enough if you use some deduplication method like windows server 2012 builtin dedupe or VMWARE linked clones you can have 100 bots on 64GB SSD since data is mostly duplicated so 120GB SSD as safety margin would be perfect

also ordinary HDD with alot of bots= slow as hell since all of them read at same time so SSD atleast 64GB (or 120GB for safety) is much better

- Core i5 CPU

don't agree, I7 will run almost double amount of bots of I5 (keyword almost) and spends approximately same amount of power to do so plus CPU will be biggest bottleneck

- 16 or 32GB of RAM (16GB will run 8 - 10 bots)

agree 32GB would be perfect but even 16GB should work for start and you can always add more later

- AMD 200 series GPU (depending on what you want to spend. The 280 is probably your best bet)

AMD 280 is practically 7970GHZ that is overkill as in 4 times power he really needs, 270 or even slower will be good enough and cheaper but yes i agree its great GPU for that money, just make sure GPU has 2GB or more GDDR5 (since there are some models with 1GB and they will tax CPU more

- 128GB SSD for boot, depending on what you want to run another 2 or 3 SSDs or HDDs for your WoW/bot software

I strongly suggest some dedupe method like windows server or vmware vSphere/vmware workstation
there is no need having 20+ copies of windows and WOW and HB on same hard drive, not only it uses more space, it also uses more RAM for caching it and more IOPS since 5 copies of same file are loaded in memory ...

and 1*120GB SSD for both boot drive and bots,
or double speed, slightly more expensive 2* SanDisk Ultra Plus 64GB in raid 0
this drive is unique in that it has similar performance to other companies 120GB drives, most other companies SSD have half performance on 64GB compared to 128GB drives SanDisk Ultra Plus SSD Reviewed At 64, 128, And 256 GB - SanDisk's Ultra Plus: Ballin' On A Budget

+ (optional but highly suggested) 1TB+ ordinary drive to backup SSDs and have some storage space to play with /experiment with different things

And finally: Realise that you may have more money available than this costs but that money is much more usefully spent in a year or 2 time. Don't overspend, it'll cost you money without giving you any more functionality.

agree 100%

 

[thatwouldbestealing]

Get an overclocked bundle from Ebay. I got an i5-3570K @ 4.4Ghz, nice mobo and fast 16GB for a superb price; I researched a lot of the sellers and the one I purchased from offered a better warranty and returns policy than the leading online reseller.

If you're not an overclocking enthusiast then I would highly recommend purchasing an overclocked bundle.

Secondly, if you're into gaming then get the i5 series; offers nice overclocks and good value. The i5 does not have the Hyperthreading of the i7, but that doesn't matter for games.

Yes, WoW with a bot, Recount plugin and addons running is quite CPU intensive. I upgraded from a Q6600 2.4Ghz OC'd to 3.0Ghz (2 core, HyperThreading) and 4GB DDR2 to my current rig and the performance has been so much smoother. I added a GTX660 Ti to my old system and it was not much help in the big Raids, it was the CPU that provided the biggest help with big Raid situations.

As for RAM. In my bundle I was luckily upgraded for free to 1833 (?) DDR3 from 1600... but as I understand it it doesn't matter a great deal. Your CPU overclock may be limited by your RAM speed... maybe... which is all the more reason to go for a bundle.

As for the GTX660, it's brilliant. Make sure you get the 2GB version as it makes a nice difference in BF4 and I guess quite a few more games present and yet to be released. I bought mine from overclockers.co.uk.

I hope it's within the forum rules, here is the seller I purchased from (UK):
Overclocked Core i5-3570K @ 4-6GHZ ASUS-P8Z77-V-LX2 16GB-DDR3-1600 ?389.99

 

[Slite62]

600 Watt PSU is not that much to be happy about.

I would go with at least one of these... Komplett.se - Cooler Master Silent Pro M2 850W PSU

 

[bloodmarks]

Get an overclocked bundle from Ebay. I got an i5-3570K @ 4.4Ghz, nice mobo and fast 16GB for a superb price; I researched a lot of the sellers and the one I purchased from offered a better warranty and returns policy than the leading online reseller.

If you're not an overclocking enthusiast then I would highly recommend purchasing an overclocked bundle.

I am not sure overclocking CPU you intend to use at 100% for 8h - 16h (botting in or 2 shifts) is great idea, but yes if your beginer better to buy pre-overclocked gear and pay abit more than burn it yourself

also have in mind with overclocking you will get less than 20% overclock (if you don't use water cooling which is insanely expensive)
and for that you will have to buy
- K edition CPU (4770K vs 4770) $40 difference
- overclocking capable motherboard ($50 vs $150+) $100 difference
- overclocking capable ram (not mandatory but recommended) for 32GB probably extra $100
- case with good airflow VS cheapest you can find ($100+ WITHOUT power supply VS $20 WITH power supply)
- good power supply able to provide very stable current (70$+ VS 0$ for one included in cheap case)
- good air cooler $130 for CORSAIR H80 (this one was able to push to 4.7GHZ cheaper ones will probably let you overclock less)
- you will pay more for electricity 20% overclock will increase power consumption more than 20% and you pay it every month, PC running 8h - 16h a day at full power (botting) can use a lot of electricity

all in all it will cost you over $500 (over 100% of price - excluding SSD drives) to upgrade your CPU from 3.9 GHZ to 4.7 GHZ (current record for air overclock of 4770K that you will probably not even reach, since that was record)

for that money you can buy instead of ONE 4770K computer overclocked to 4.7GHZ
TWO 4770 computers that are not overclocked, spend less electricity (per bot), are quieter, and last longer

Secondly, if you're into gaming then get the i5 series; offers nice overclocks and good value. The i5 does not have the Hyperthreading of the i7, but that doesn't matter for games.

HT does not matter for games if you run one at a time but when you run 30+ games (WOW instances) at same time it almost doubles amount of bots you can run, and it uses same amount of electricity as I5

my suggestion:
- I7 4770 (non-K version)
- cheapest motherboard you can find
- cheapest case you can find (should cost $20 - $30 with included power supply)
- 16GB or 32GB of cheapest RAM you can find
- 1*120GB SSD or 2*SanDisk Ultra Plus 64GB in raid 0
- optionally 1 cheapest SATA HDD you can find with 1TB+space for backup and playing games you don't bot/keeping movies on
- cheapest GPU you can find with 2GB of DDR5 should be between $100 - $150 try to get some from recent generation or 1/2 generations behind not GTX 280 something prehistoric

 

[bloodmarks]

600 Watt PSU is not that much to be happy about.

I would go with at least one of these... Komplett.se - Cooler Master Silent Pro M2 850W PSU

not sure its good idea power supplies work most optimally in range of 50% - 80% of their declared power

I7 4770 is 84W
MB + memory probably around 50W
GPU up to 150W
HDD+SDD around 15W
all in total around 300W of power usage when everything is used 100% (if he is not overclocking of course)
so optimal power supply needed is between 375W and 600W

 

[Slite62]

not sure its good idea power supplies work most optimally in range of 50% - 80% of their declared power

I7 4770 is 84W
MB + memory probably around 50W
GPU up to 150W
HDD+SDD around 15W
all in total around 300W of power usage when everything is used 100% (if he is not overclocking of course)
so optimal power supply needed is between 375W and 600W

And then you hook up this, and that to your computer, a dvd/blue-ray burner, another couple of harddisks, a bunch of USB devices. Al of a sudden you decide you wanna go SLI.

I rest my case

 

[B00sted]

I7 4770
16gb Ram, I would not recommend cheap ram, Corsair is nice.
Gigabyte board (great for OC)
SSD
GTX660
H100 Corsair water cooling

 

[AtomX]

AMD FX-8350, EVGA GeForce GTX 680 - System Build - PCPartPicker

This is my current bot set up. Yes it's a bit much, but I can run up to 40 instances with little issue. I also use it for more than just botting though. I also use it for rendering for school, it cut my old time from 4-8 hours for most projects to about 1 or so.

It's all in how much you want to spend and what you are looking to do with it. If you are looking to just run a single bot, I would just grab a referb off newegg. If you want to run 5+ bots, then yeah defiantly put the money into a mid range computer. Once you hit 20+ either run 2 mid range machines or 1 high end machine. It's less headache to do with a single machine I think.

You can always drop the ram down a bit and downgrade the video card to save some cash if you want, but that CPU will never give you a bottleneck on speed.