Botting with or w/o VMWare - You opions please!

[PapaBash]

I really think trying to hide your botting activity is pointless in this game and here's the reasons why:

A. You don't play with other people. No one will ever report you.

B. After a certain point, it's completely obvious your account is botting. They don't need to detect anything on your end, they can simply look at your time played and gold acquired. My main account which has over 400 hours played since release has just under 15 million gold looted. My bot that has been running since about 2 days before the injunction has around 300 hours played and 90 million gold looted. There is really no defense against those type of numbers.

C. Blizzard will never IP ban. In fact, they haven't banned "by association" since Vanilla. If you knew how IP banning worked, you'd know that it has far too great a risk of getting innocent people caught in the crossfire. They punish only licenses that break the rules. In World of Warcraft, I have my bots all connected to my main account. They bot, and send materials to my main. My main acct processes and sells them. I have lost 5 bot accounts. I have never once lost or even had my main account in question. In fact, my bot accounts were on my very same Battle.net when they were closed. I also live with my brother who plays D3 and WoW as well. He does not bot. He has never been banned or suspended. I do not now, nor have I ever used an IP or machine spoof. Blizzard DOES NOT ban by association.

Not banning your main in wow and not investigating it are two completely different things. You can make sure, that they will investigate all connections from the IP. Sure I can bot 100 pcs on the same IP and my brother can have an account on the same IP, what will happen? My 100 accounts are closed down and my brother keeps playing as does my main.

Do you get it now? It isn't banned by association it is investigated by association and good luck having your other bots not banned. When they all have a different IP/Mac adress/machine code that chain investigation cannot occur by ip - end of statement.

There is no bli bla blu about that kind of fact. How blind are you? Did you miss all the threads about 5/5 banned, 4/4 banned and so on? Do you think they stumbled on all the bots of a single botter on a WHIM? By chance? Did you ever ask the question: How can they get all the bots at the same time? No you didn't.

When you have that kind of setup, that I suggested your last concern is how to collect that gold on one account. Obviously if you take all your accounts and direct trade with your main, then that is a liability. I have no solution for that, since there is nothing that completely breaks the links.

 

[kvich]

I already plan on using vmware when I get more bots then the 3 I currently have. I've used it before, but I've never used it for this purpose. Are there are suggestions to increases vmware efficiency while purely botting? Likewise, how many vmware instances can you create on this machine (32gb RAM, i7-3930, GTX 570 (2.5gb vram))?

 

[devestator]

I already plan on using vmware when I get more bots then the 3 I currently have. I've used it before, but I've never used it for this purpose. Are there are suggestions to increases vmware efficiency while purely botting? Likewise, how many vmware instances can you create on this machine (32gb RAM, i7-3930, GTX 570 (2.5gb vram))?

I'd say probably somewhere between 8 and 12 Windows 7 VMs comfortably, probably more if they aren't all spiking on cpu usage at the same time. You could probably push it a little further and only see slight performance hits. Each VM with demonbuddy + diablo is going to use up around 8 to 12% of your CPU when it spikes cpu usage, when it's not spiking (loading something or processing a lot of effects) it would probably be closer to 4 to 8% of your cpu. VM really does not add as much overhead as people make it out to. The biggest overhead it has is memory, and that depends on how much memory you assign to the VM. With 32 gb of memory you'd have enough memory that you could do 2gb per VM and your going to run out of processing power before memory. You could probably even get away with 1 gb of memory if you did Windows XP VMs, but still your cpu usage is going to be about the same. VMs really don't add much to the processor usage over just regular db + diablo. Just make sure to disable anything unnecessary like update checks and such that might start trying to run on their own.

If you can set up a V P N or a P r o x y in the vmware, like was mentioned before that will be enough to for sure keep the vmware box separate from your main box. The only way they could trace it back is either to hack into the v p n / p r o x y server you are using and check the logs, or convince the server owners to give them that information (which most will not as long as you use a reputable one).

 

[kvich]

Thanks for the info devestator, however is the 8-12 while running d3/db? I plan on having quite a few d3 sessions and plan to split them in groups among the VM's my computer can handle, so just curious.

 

[Truestorybro]

I'd say probably somewhere between 8 and 12 Windows 7 VMs comfortably, probably more if they aren't all spiking on cpu usage at the same time. You could probably push it a little further and only see slight performance hits. Each VM with demonbuddy + diablo is going to use up around 8 to 12% of your CPU when it spikes cpu usage, when it's not spiking (loading something or processing a lot of effects) it would probably be closer to 4 to 8% of your cpu. VM really does not add as much overhead as people make it out to. The biggest overhead it has is memory, and that depends on how much memory you assign to the VM. With 32 gb of memory you'd have enough memory that you could do 2gb per VM and your going to run out of processing power before memory. You could probably even get away with 1 gb of memory if you did Windows XP VMs, but still your cpu usage is going to be about the same. VMs really don't add much to the processor usage over just regular db + diablo. Just make sure to disable anything unnecessary like update checks and such that might start trying to run on their own.

If you can set up a V P N or a P r o x y in the vmware, like was mentioned before that will be enough to for sure keep the vmware box separate from your main box. The only way they could trace it back is either to hack into the v p n / p r o x y server you are using and check the logs, or convince the server owners to give them that information (which most will not as long as you use a reputable one).

Please do tell me how you manage more than 2 VM's on any computer. I tried one VM (8.0.4) with XP SP3 in it and the CPU usage was around 40-50% just for that one VM. And that is with a 3rd gen CPU (Intel 3570K).

This is not meant as flame... i really do want to know as i want to have my third SWTOR account botting space missions.

 

[jinny1]

Please do tell me how you manage more than 2 VM's on any computer. I tried one VM (8.0.4) with XP SP3 in it and the CPU usage was around 40-50% just for that one VM. And that is with a 3rd gen CPU (Intel 3570K).

This is not meant as flame... i really do want to know as i want to have my third SWTOR account botting space missions.

overclock? mine hovers around 10-35% with one vm(win 7 x64) using the same cpu

 

[devestator]

Please do tell me how you manage more than 2 VM's on any computer. I tried one VM (8.0.4) with XP SP3 in it and the CPU usage was around 40-50% just for that one VM. And that is with a 3rd gen CPU (Intel 3570K).

This is not meant as flame... i really do want to know as i want to have my third SWTOR account botting space missions.

Hmm, well I'm not sure why you had such high processor usage from a single VM on a 3570k honestly. My guess would be the XP guest machine had something running in the background eating up CPU cycles that you needed to shut down.

On my rig I have pushed up to 10 VMs simultaneously before and only put my CPU at around 40% total usage (these were not D3 / DB running VMs). But my rig isn't your standard rig, I'm running a 3960x overclocked to 5.2ghz with 64 gb of ram. I do cross platform development so I run multiple VMs with different guest OS to test things. Sometimes multiple versions of the same OS (like Windows 7 Home Edition vs Ultimate Edition).

When I do run D3 / DB in a VM as I do now, my rig only hits 4 to 6% cpu usage at most for one VM. The 8 to 12% I estimated previously was figuring the 3570k non OC'd should be about half as fast as my chip. I could of course be wrong, I don't have a 3570k here to test with directly. Thinking about it a little more it might be more like 12 to 16% per VM with DB / D3 running in it on a 3570k. Forgot the 3570k only has 4 cores where mine has 6, so with hyperthreading enabled that is 4 fewer virtual cores to share the data load. I'm using Workstation 8 for my VM host btw.

 

[shaliuno]

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[Ratz241]

Sure if they actually look by IP which I doubt. People have already reported they have had accounts banned on one PC and none on others yet all are on the same IP.

I'm not one of them.

There is very inexperienced botters on the demonbuddy forums, It's actually sort of cute. (no flame)

ANYONE with a few years under their belt dealing with blizzard and how they ban people know pretty much exactly how they link, I've had bans across multiple computers at the same time on the same IP, all gone in 5 seconds, it all depends on the individual who reviews your accounts and how much investigation he does, if you want to chance getting all your accounts wiped out in one go ahead people but I'd rather virtual machine my bots and toss in a V P N too.

 

[Ratz241]

I'd say probably somewhere between 8 and 12 Windows 7 VMs comfortably, probably more if they aren't all spiking on cpu usage at the same time. You could probably push it a little further and only see slight performance hits. Each VM with demonbuddy + diablo is going to use up around 8 to 12% of your CPU when it spikes cpu usage, when it's not spiking (loading something or processing a lot of effects) it would probably be closer to 4 to 8% of your cpu. VM really does not add as much overhead as people make it out to. The biggest overhead it has is memory, and that depends on how much memory you assign to the VM. With 32 gb of memory you'd have enough memory that you could do 2gb per VM and your going to run out of processing power before memory. You could probably even get away with 1 gb of memory if you did Windows XP VMs, but still your cpu usage is going to be about the same. VMs really don't add much to the processor usage over just regular db + diablo. Just make sure to disable anything unnecessary like update checks and such that might start trying to run on their own.

If you can set up a V P N or a P r o x y in the vmware, like was mentioned before that will be enough to for sure keep the vmware box separate from your main box. The only way they could trace it back is either to hack into the v p n / p r o x y server you are using and check the logs, or convince the server owners to give them that information (which most will not as long as you use a reputable one).

Good post, good to see someone with a bit of experience handing out legit information to people who do not know what they are talking about, especially the overhead posts on vmware, yes it does take quite a bit more resources but if you have a good computer then It's really not a problem, your problems will rely in memory, nothing 32 gigs can't fix.

 

[shaliuno]

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[Ratz241]

If they can check manually, what stops them from checking all trades between characters and find out the main one?

Sort of answered your own question there, the answer is nothing, they did it in wow, hence methods of transferring gold like gbank were deemed "safest".

 

[shaliuno]

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[Ratz241]

Well, it turns out that:

Considering transfers between characters it is advisable to run 1-4 bots per vm and send gold to one of them. We cant use "PVN" on each VM as its expensive and anyway we need a gold holder. So by doing this we make a close environment that is not connected to any other bots on other vm's. Or fifth account that holds gold only.

And only if all trades from gold holders goes to same buyers that can be a problem. Or we might face the result of having tons of gold on one gold holder but can sell until our clients be ready to buy it, even if another client is ready but he can be taken to these holders.

Each VM can use "PVN" , not sure that any "PVN" providers can let you use one account for each VM, since it +1 IP address per VM. So 4 "PVN" accounts to pay for too. About 40$ per month

And of course basic rules.
Fake names
No friends
No 24/7
Make bot to take breaks and dont run for several hours straight
Profile rotation to

Well done, you're on your quest to become a jedi knight.

One *** per account is nothing with the profit you would be making, so I would advise ***'s everywhere where necessary, the cost doesn't matter, the amount you make would easily cover it. Call it "subscription" fee's if you will.

 

[Gentoo]

3 accounts, 2 on their own vmware and PVN.. Main account on my home IP.

 

[DTrick]

Why would you want to use PVN anyway? when you can just use Pro.xycap on each vmware and link the diablo 3 exe to it, so its rerouted winsock connection to a new ip via prox.y?

20$ = 10-12 pro.xy's a month on a good connection dedicated box. Ip change each month.

 

[DTrick]

Well, it turns out that:

Considering transfers between characters it is advisable to run 1-4 bots per vm and send gold to one of them. We cant use "PVN" on each VM as its expensive and anyway we need a gold holder. So by doing this we make a close environment that is not connected to any other bots on other vm's. Or fifth account that holds gold only.

And only if all trades from gold holders goes to same buyers that can be a problem. Or we might face the result of having tons of gold on one gold holder but can sell until our clients be ready to buy it, even if another client is ready but he can be taken to these holders.

Each VM can use "PVN" , not sure that any "PVN" providers can let you use one account for each VM, since it +1 IP address per VM. So 4 "PVN" accounts to pay for too. About 40$ per month

And of course basic rules.
Fake names
No friends
No 24/7
Make bot to take breaks and dont run for several hours straight
Profile rotation to

http://www.bestpro-xyandv-pn.com/

3$ per v.p.n sale atm. (Note remove the - in pro-xy and v-pn )

 

[Vesparion]

I had 9 accounts banned each one was on seperate vmware i had no v*p*n tho.

 

[bl4ck]

It can help link

 

[abuser]

someone can link good tutorial how to setup vmware + db/d3 ?? i installed vm workstation 9 + windows ultimate x64 and my i have unknown network adapter ;/ no connection at vm....